And when Saul enquired of the Lord, the Lord answered him not, neither by dreams, nor by Urim, nor by prophets. Then said Saul unto his servants, Seek me a woman that hath a familiar spirit, that I may go to her, and enquire of her.
(1 Samuel 28:6-7)
So Saul died for his transgression which he committed against the Lord, even against the word of the Lord, which he kept not, and also for asking counsel of one that had a familiar spirit, to enquire of it; and enquired not of the Lord
(1Chronicles 10:13-14)
How exactly are these to be reconciled?
Did he or didn't he?
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Re: Did he or didn't he?
Post #71Jesus said,Athetotheist wrote: ↑Tue Feb 24, 2026 9:51 am [Replying to OneJack in post #69]
If you believe that Jesus has spoken directly to you, how can you know with certainty that Jesus hasn't spoken directly to them?
What, in your opinion, do they have to do?As long as they remain in denominational churches, where the leaders are men/women pastors, they are not in the flock of the Lord; how can the Lord shepherd them that way?
“Remember, eternal life and your salvation are in My hands. If you want to be saved, come and draw near to Me. If you want eternal life, come and call upon Me. Trust in Me, because if you don't, you will have no salvation and no eternal life.â€
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Post #72[Replying to OneJack in post #71]
If you believe that Jesus has spoken directly to you, how can you know with certainty that Jesus hasn't spoken directly to them?
Are you presenting yourself as being privvy to an exclusive audience with Jesus?
My earlier question still stands:Jesus said,
“Remember, eternal life and your salvation are in My hands. If you want to be saved, come and draw near to Me. If you want eternal life, come and call upon Me. Trust in Me, because if you don't, you will have no salvation and no eternal life.â€
If you believe that Jesus has spoken directly to you, how can you know with certainty that Jesus hasn't spoken directly to them?
Are you presenting yourself as being privvy to an exclusive audience with Jesus?
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Post #73I gave you the answer, but you don’t understand. In addtion, the bible serves as the main source of their fabricated doctrines, which are non-existent if Jesus is their Pastor and Teacher who shepherds them.Athetotheist wrote: ↑Tue Feb 24, 2026 1:25 pm [Replying to OneJack in post #71]
My earlier question still stands:Jesus said,
“Remember, eternal life and your salvation are in My hands. If you want to be saved, come and draw near to Me. If you want eternal life, come and call upon Me. Trust in Me, because if you don't, you will have no salvation and no eternal life.â€
If you believe that Jesus has spoken directly to you, how can you know with certainty that Jesus hasn't spoken directly to them?
I’m presenting myself as a plain follower of the Lord and just sharing to all what we’ve heard and learned from the Lord in accordance with His instructions [to us].Athetotheist wrote:Are you presenting yourself as being privvy to an exclusive audience with Jesus?
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Post #74[Replying to OneJack in post #73]
Are you claiming that only you and yours know how to read the Bible correctly?the bible serves as the main source of their fabricated doctrines.....
I’m presenting myself as a plain follower of the Lord and just sharing to all what we’ve heard and learned from the Lord in accordance with His instructions [to us].
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Post #75NO, NO, NO!!!Athetotheist wrote: ↑Tue Feb 24, 2026 6:08 pm [Replying to OneJack in post #73]
Are you claiming that only you and yours know how to read the Bible correctly?the bible serves as the main source of their fabricated doctrines.....
I’m presenting myself as a plain follower of the Lord and just sharing to all what we’ve heard and learned from the Lord in accordance with His instructions [to us].
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Post #76OneJack wrote: ↑Tue Feb 24, 2026 11:50 am Jesus said,
“Remember, eternal life and your salvation are in My hands. If you want to be saved, come and draw near to Me. If you want eternal life, come and call upon Me. Trust in Me, because if you don't, you will have no salvation and no eternal life.â€
When /where did he say that?
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http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 81#p826681
"For if we live, we live to Jehovah, and if we die, we die to Jehovah. So both if we live and if we die, we belong to Jehovah" - Romans 14:8
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Post #77So the bible doesn't identify the True God by name?OneJack wrote: ↑Tue Feb 24, 2026 6:26 amDoes it? I don’t think so. ...Athetotheist wrote: ↑Tue Feb 24, 2026 6:11 am [Replying to OneJack in post #63]
If nothing comes from the Bible, what's the point of having it?
So the Bible doesn't tell you which god there is?The one and only point is for you to know there is God so that you may come to God for the truth, which the bible cannot, in any manner, give to you.
ISAIAH 42:8
Ako si Jehova. Iyan ang pangalan ko;
Hindi ko ibibigay* kahit kanino ang kaluwalhatian ko,
At hindi ko ibibigay sa mga inukit na imahen ang papuri para sa akin.r
Legacy Standard Bible
I am Yahweh, that is My name; I will not give My glory to another, Nor My praise to graven images.
Holman Christian Standard Bible
I am Yahweh, that is My name; I will not give My glory to another or My praise to idols.
American Standard Version
I am Jehovah, that is my name; and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise unto graven images.
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"For if we live, we live to Jehovah, and if we die, we die to Jehovah. So both if we live and if we die, we belong to Jehovah" - Romans 14:8
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 81#p826681
"For if we live, we live to Jehovah, and if we die, we die to Jehovah. So both if we live and if we die, we belong to Jehovah" - Romans 14:8
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Post #78The Lord said that to us inside our car while we’re cruising the famous boulevard in the city of Temakatz, in 2001.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Wed Feb 25, 2026 9:45 amOneJack wrote: ↑Tue Feb 24, 2026 11:50 am Jesus said,
“Remember, eternal life and your salvation are in My hands. If you want to be saved, come and draw near to Me. If you want eternal life, come and call upon Me. Trust in Me, because if you don't, you will have no salvation and no eternal life.â€
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Post #79In this specific verse of the Bible, I can say with certainty, and in response to your query, that the Bible absolutely doesn’t correctly identify the name of the one true God. Unfortunately, the Lord Jesus does not acknowledge the name Jehovah as His name.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Wed Feb 25, 2026 9:50 amSo the bible doesn't identify the True God by name?OneJack wrote: ↑Tue Feb 24, 2026 6:26 amDoes it? I don’t think so. ...Athetotheist wrote: ↑Tue Feb 24, 2026 6:11 am [Replying to OneJack in post #63]
If nothing comes from the Bible, what's the point of having it?
So the Bible doesn't tell you which god there is?The one and only point is for you to know there is God so that you may come to God for the truth, which the bible cannot, in any manner, give to you.
ISAIAH 42:8
Ako si Jehova. Iyan ang pangalan ko;
Hindi ko ibibigay* kahit kanino ang kaluwalhatian ko,
At hindi ko ibibigay sa mga inukit na imahen ang papuri para sa akin.r
Legacy Standard Bible
I am Yahweh, that is My name; I will not give My glory to another, Nor My praise to graven images.
Holman Christian Standard Bible
I am Yahweh, that is My name; I will not give My glory to another or My praise to idols.
American Standard Version
I am Jehovah, that is my name; and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise unto graven images.
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Re: Did he or didn't he?
Post #80Based on what (for what reason) do you conclude ISAIAH 42:8 doesn’t correctly identify the name of the one true God?OneJack wrote: ↑Wed Feb 25, 2026 6:53 pmIn this specific verse of the Bible, I can say with certainty, and in response to your query, that the Bible absolutely doesn’t correctly identify the name of the one true God. ...ISAIAH 42:8
Ako si Jehova. Iyan ang pangalan ko;
Hindi ko ibibigay* kahit kanino ang kaluwalhatian ko,
At hindi ko ibibigay sa mga inukit na imahen ang papuri para sa akin.r
Legacy Standard Bible
I am Yahweh, that is My name; I will not give My glory to another, Nor My praise to graven images.
Holman Christian Standard Bible
I am Yahweh, that is My name; I will not give My glory to another or My praise to idols.
American Standard Version
I am Jehovah, that is my name; and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise unto graven images.
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"For if we live, we live to Jehovah, and if we die, we die to Jehovah. So both if we live and if we die, we belong to Jehovah" - Romans 14:8
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 81#p826681
"For if we live, we live to Jehovah, and if we die, we die to Jehovah. So both if we live and if we die, we belong to Jehovah" - Romans 14:8

