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I know from experience that many people without the knowledge of the Bible, in a last-ditch effort to put away things like drugs, alcohol, or some perverse lifestyle, have prayed to God, a God they do not know, and almost instantly they turned their lives around and began to study the Bible, and become a new person.

What I’m describing is one of the most striking and beautiful patterns in Christian experience, and it lines up with something deeply biblical. God will meet people long before they understand Him. In fact, the above is exactly how countless Christians throughout history have come to faith.

Many people in crisis will cry out to a God they barely know, and He will answer. This is one of the clearest demonstrations of his grace. They don’t know theology. They don’t know doctrine. They don’t know the Trinity, and most don’t even know what they’re asking for. But they know they’re at the end of themselves.

And God responds. This is not because their prayer is theologically precise. It’s because God is merciful, and He delights to rescue people who are drowning. Even before someone knows the Bible, the Holy Spirit can convict, draw, awaken, break chains, and create a hunger for truth.

This is not a “new revelation.” It’s God applying the truth of Scripture to a heart that hasn’t read it yet. In other words, the Holy Spirit prepares the heart before the mind catches up.

What usually follows? they turn to the Bible. Those in crisis don’t stay in vague spirituality; they don’t build a religion out of their experience, nor do they follow “any spirit.” What they do seek is the word, then Christ, truth, and holiness.

This is the proof that their experience was genuine. A true encounter with God always leads a person toward Scripture, not away from it.

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[Replying to tam in post #100]
tam wrote: OneJack, it is a fact - a fact - that "Jesus" is not the name Christ would have been called. Same as with the name "Jehovah" not being the name of God.
A fact is only a fact or truth if we hear it directly from God. Otherwise, it’s nothing but opinion. Again, have you heard directly from the mouth of the Almighty God that JESUS is not the name of Christ, as you continuously claim?
tam wrote:But you cannot seem to see that... or move past it. What is that if not stumbling over a name? Or maybe it is just an excuse that you are using so you can ignore the contradictions between what you post and what Christ has said and taught?
I have concrete evidence - the utterance of the Lord Jesus Christ - that proves He (Jesus) is the Almighty God, who is Christ in reality.

I’m sure of myself that the ‘small still voice’ that you’re listening to, until now, deceives you in believing He is Christ.
tam wrote: Regardless, how can you possibly have a problem with the description 'still small voice'? 1 Kings 19:11-13
I don’t have a problem with that ‘small still voice’ that continuously claims He is Christ because I know Christ, and I’m sure Christ is the Almighty God, whose name is Jesus. The ‘small still voice’ is just a spirit being, not the Almighty God.
tam wrote: Christ does not shout. He does not scream at us. He is quiet. We have to listen. We have to want to hear Him - to hear truth. Not so many people want that. His sheep, however, will listen to His voice.

Since the ‘small still voice’ does not claim he is the Almighty God proves he is not Christ too, and he can’t deceive me with whatever sweet and endearing words he may continuously whisper in your ears, tammy dear!

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Peace again,
OneJack wrote: Sun Feb 01, 2026 9:36 pm [Replying to tam in post #100]
tam wrote: OneJack, it is a fact - a fact - that "Jesus" is not the name Christ would have been called. Same as with the name "Jehovah" not being the name of God.
A fact is only a fact or truth if we hear it directly from God.


Or if we hear from His Word - who is the Christ.

But you claim not to have heard directly from God (or His Son). You claim to have heard from someone else (whom you claim God spoke through.) Right?
Otherwise, it’s nothing but opinion.


Well, you did not hear from God or from His Son that the Son of God is dead and long gone.

Again, have you heard directly from the mouth of the Almighty God that JESUS is not the name of Christ, as you continuously claim?
My Lord - who is the Christ and the Son of God - confirmed His name to me. That name is not Jesus, but rather Jaheshua (meaning JAH saves/salvation of JAH).

You may stumble over that, but I know it to be true because I learned it from the One who is the Truth.

So you and I are at an impasse on this.

Besides, you claim that no one can hear the Almighty God and live. So how could you have heard directly from the mouth of God that "Jesus" is the name of God?
tam wrote:But you cannot seem to see that... or move past it. What is that if not stumbling over a name? Or maybe it is just an excuse that you are using so you can ignore the contradictions between what you post and what Christ has said and taught?
I have concrete evidence - the utterance of the Lord Jesus Christ - that proves He (Jesus) is the Almighty God, who is Christ in reality.
Telling us what you heard your nephew say isn't concrete proof. But even in your 'thus saith the Lord' posts, I don't recall ever reading the speaker identify as "Jesus".
I’m sure of myself that the ‘small still voice’ that you’re listening to, until now, deceives you in believing He is Christ.
Lots of people are sure of themselves.
tam wrote: Regardless, how can you possibly have a problem with the description 'still small voice'? 1 Kings 19:11-13
I don’t have a problem with that ‘small still voice’ that continuously claims He is Christ
I asked why you have a problem with the description.
because I know Christ, and I’m sure Christ is the Almighty God, whose name is Jesus.
But you claim you don't hear His voice. You claim that no one can hear His voice and live.

This is contrary to the words of Christ Himself - who stated that His sheep listen to His voice.

You contradict the words of Christ.

That has nothing to do with me.
The ‘small still voice’ is just a spirit being, not the Almighty God.
The One I hear is the Christ, the SON of God.

"This is my Son, whom I love. Listen to Him."

I am doing what my Father in heaven said to do.

tam wrote: Christ does not shout. He does not scream at us. He is quiet. We have to listen. We have to want to hear Him - to hear truth. Not so many people want that. His sheep, however, will listen to His voice.

Since the ‘small still voice’ does not claim he is the Almighty God proves he is not Christ too, and he can’t deceive me with whatever sweet and endearing words he may continuously whisper in your ears, tammy dear!
What 'sweet and endearing words' are you referring to, Onejack?


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[Replying to tam in post #102]
tam wrote:Or if we hear from His Word - who is the Christ.
Jesus is the name that Christ, through the Son, declared to the world. Listening to the word of God is by and through the Lord Jesus alone, the Almighty.
tam wrote: But you claim not to have heard directly from God (or His Son). You claim to have heard from someone else (whom you claim God spoke through.) Right?
Yes, we have not yet heard, to date, Christ Jesus’ voice [genuine], only through His manifestations. No one has ever heard Christ Jesus voice at any time, even Adam and Eve heard God by and through His manifested voice.
tam wrote: Well, you did not hear from God or from His Son that the Son of God is dead and long gone.
You’re perpetually trying to refute the Lord’s revelations today [as witnessed by some specific individuals] in accordance with the teachings [infused to you by the ‘small still voice’] that continues to make you deny that Jesus is Christ, in reality. Tammy dear, how long will you deny yourself in talking to Christ, whose name is JESUS, the Almighty, not the ‘small still voice that continues to drag you away from Jesus. Haven’t I told you that the Son has long finished his role in the Almighty God’s incarnation? He is nowhere to be found, and He is not with us anymore. Immanuel, the Lord Jesus Christ, is always with us, and we can always come to Him if we want to have life and the salvation of our souls. If not by and through Jesus, I have no way of knowing the whereabouts of the Son today.
tam wrote: My Lord - who is the Christ and the Son of God - confirmed His name to me. That name is not Jesus, but rather Jaheshua (meaning JAH saves/salvation of JAH).
That’s the tragic part [for the destiny of your soul] of your encounter, the ‘small still voice’ deceives you, to date, telling you he’s Christ, but denies the name Jesus, as the name of the Almighty God. No doubt, that ‘small still voice’ is a false Christ masquerading [to you] as the Truth. Have you forgotten that the Truth is only the Almighty God, whose name is Jesus Christ?
tam wrote: You may stumble over that, but I know it to be true because I learned it from the One who is the Truth.
Tammy dear, the Truth is no one else but the Almighty God. Since you’re fully aware that the ‘small still voice’ is not God, why do you blindly swallow the poisonous pill he (‘small still voice) continues to dispense with you, as if it were your daily maintenance medicine?
tam wrote:So you and I are at an impasse on this.
That doesn’t apply to Jesus, our Teacher and Savior. We need nothing but Him for the salvation of our souls.
tam wrote: Besides, you claim that no one can hear the Almighty God and live. So how could you have heard directly from the mouth of God that "Jesus" is the name of God?
True, no one has ever heard God and lived; He virtually speaks through His manifested lingo, as He has in the very beginning. There is nothing new under the searing mid-day sun in this context, Tammy dear!

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Peace again,
OneJack wrote: Wed Feb 04, 2026 8:58 pm [Replying to tam in post #102]
tam wrote:Or if we hear from His Word - who is the Christ.
Jesus is the name that Christ, through the Son, declared to the world. Listening to the word of God is by and through the Lord Jesus alone, the Almighty.
The Christ is the Son of God.

"You are the Christ, the Son of the Living God." Matt 16:16

Christ - who is the Son - is also the Word of God.

The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.


In any case, the point was that we can know something is true if we hear it from Christ - who is also the Truth, the Word, the Chosen and Holy One of God.

God did say after all, "This is my Son, whom I love. Listen to Him."

If we are to listen to God, we must also listen to His Son.
tam wrote: But you claim not to have heard directly from God (or His Son). You claim to have heard from someone else (whom you claim God spoke through.) Right?
Yes, we have not yet heard, to date, Christ Jesus’ voice [genuine], only through His manifestations. No one has ever heard Christ Jesus voice at any time, even Adam and Eve heard God by and through His manifested voice.
But this is not what Christ teaches.

"My sheep listen to my voice."

When he has brought out all his own, he goes on ahead of them, and his sheep follow him because they know his voice. 5 But they will never follow a stranger; in fact, they will run away from him because they do not recognize a stranger’s voice.”

I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice

For this reason I was born and have come into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone who belongs to the truth listens to My voice.”

tam wrote: Well, you did not hear from God or from His Son that the Son of God is dead and long gone.
... Haven’t I told you that the Son has long finished his role in the Almighty God’s incarnation? He is nowhere to be found, and He is not with us anymore.


Are you the Teacher that it should matter what you told me? Or does it matter what the true Teacher says:

From Revelation 2:18 (so after the death and resurrection and ascension):

"To the angel of the church in Thyatira write: These are the words of the Son of God, whose eyes are like blazing fire and whose feet are like burnished bronze. I know your deeds, your love and faith, your service and perseverance, and that you are now doing more than you did at first...."

The Son of God - who is the Christ - is very much alive and with His sheep still.

In summary, we have Peter who states that Christ is the Son of the Living God. We have Christ who confirms that this truth was revealed to Peter by God, Himself. And here in the revelation given to John, the Son of God is alive and speaking.

This is pretty black and white, OneJack.

And none of it depends on anything I have said. I am just a witness to the One who is the Truth.


tam wrote: Besides, you claim that no one can hear the Almighty God and live. So how could you have heard directly from the mouth of God that "Jesus" is the name of God?
True, no one has ever heard God and lived; He virtually speaks through His manifested lingo, as He has in the very beginning. There is nothing new under the searing mid-day sun in this context, Tammy dear!
Therefore, you did not hear from God that "Jesus" is the name of God. Not even the speaker in your 'thus saith the Lord" excerpts uses the name "Jesus"

But as to how God speaks:

God - the MOST Holy One of Israel and the Father of Christ - speaks through His Son.

Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world.

A couple things here:

1 - God speaks to us through His Son. He even said 'This is my Son, whom I love. Listen to Him."

2 - God also created the world through His Son (meaning the Son is not merely a vessel born on the planet earth a couple thousand years ago.) God's Son was present at the creation of the world (really at the creation of all things), and it is through the Son that God created the world.

3 - If you are claiming that the Son is just one of many manifestations - well that makes no sense. No prophet claimed to be the Son of God. Nor did they claim to be the Resurrection, the Life, the Truth, the Light of the world. The Son of God is unique. The ONE and ONLY Son. The ONLY begotten Son of God.

And that Son tells us His Father's will:

For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.” John 6:40



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[Replying to tam in post #104]
tam wrote: The Christ is the Son of God.
Jesus is the Christ, the Almighty God who incarnated in the physical body of the Son of God, per se.
"You are the Christ, the Son of the Living God." Matt 16:16
Peter was talking to the Son of God, per se, to whom He addressed this phrase without knowing that the Father was the one who was in the Son. Peter’s phrase ‘the Son of the Living God’ refers directly to the Son, per se, the physical vessel of the Almighty God in His incarnation. Christ is actually the Father whom the Son said dwelt in Him.
tam wrote:Christ - who is the Son - is also the Word of God.
Christ - who was then in the Son - is Jesus, the Word of God.
tam wrote:The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
The Almighty God, whose name is Jesus, came in the flesh, the flesh of the Son of God who made his dwelling among the apostles. They have seen God’s glory in the one and only Son of God, the man who was born of Mary and to whom God gave His name Immanuel, or Mighty God, or Eternal Father, or Jesus.
tam wrote:In any case, the point was that we can know something is true if we hear it from Christ - who is also the Truth, the Word, the Chosen and Holy One of God.
In any case, the point is that we’ll know something is true if we hear it from Christ Jesus - who is the Truth, the Word of God, and the ALMIGHTY GOD who dwelt Himself in the Son of God, per se.
tam wrote:God did say after all, "This is my Son, whom I love. Listen to Him."
God was referring to the Son of God, per se, the man who was born of Mary and to whom the name Immanuel, or Jesus, or…… were given by God.
tam wrote:If we are to listen to God, we must also listen to His Son.
I told you already, the Son is long gone. The ‘small still voice ' continues to deceive you, telling you he is Christ, which is the greatest lie in the history of the planet earth.

tam wrote:But this is not what Christ teaches.

"My sheep listen to my voice."

When he has brought out all his own, he goes on ahead of them, and his sheep follow him because they know hisvoice. 5 But they will never follow a stranger; in fact, they will run away from him because they do not recognize a stranger’s voice.”

I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice

For this reason I was born and have come into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone who belongs to the truth listens to My voice.”
The Almighty God’s manifested voice was exactly the voice that was coming out from the mouth of the man named Jesus during the apostles - the voice which was by and through the Son’s voice. It’s so unfortunate that the ‘small still voice’ successfully triumphs in deceiving you that he is Christ, and that his followers, like you, hear his voice every time he teaches them.
tam wrote: Are you the Teacher that it should matter what you told me? Or does it matter what the true Teacher says:

From Revelation 2:18 (so after the death and resurrection and ascension):

"To the angel of the church in Thyatira write: These are the words of the Son of God, whose eyes are like blazing fire and whose feet are like burnished bronze. I know your deeds, your love and faiyour service and perseverance, and that you are now doing more than you did at first....
The Teacher alone, the Lord Jesus Christ, is the one who matters all the time.
tam wrote:The Son of God - who is the Christ - is very much alive and with His sheep still.
You’re deceived and still deceived that the ‘small still voice’ is Christ.
tam wrote:In summary, we have Peter who states that Christ is the Son of the Living God. We have Christ who confirms that this truth was revealed to Peter by God, Himself. And here in the revelation given to John, the Son of God is alive and speaking.

This is pretty black and white, OneJack.
I’ve explained this one above, you’ve misinterpreted this part.
tam wrote:And none of it depends on anything I have said. I am just a witness to the One who is the Truth.
I’ll be frank with you, you’re a witness of a deceiving spirit - the ‘small still voice’ hovering over you all the time.
tam wrote: Therefore, you did not hear from God that "Jesus" is the name of God. Not even the speaker in your 'thus saith the Lord" excerpts uses the name "Jesus"

But as to how God speaks:

God - the MOST Holy One of Israel and the Father of Christ - speaks through His Son.

Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world.

A couple things here:

1 - God speaks to us through His Son. He even said 'This is my Son, whom I love. Listen to Him."

2 - God also created the world through His Son (meaning the Son is not merely a vessel born on the planet earth a couple thousand years ago.) God's Son was present at the creation of the world (really at the creation of all things), and it is through the Son that God created the world.

3 - If you are claiming that the Son is just one of many manifestations - well that makes no sense. No prophet claimed to be the Son of God. Nor did they claim to be the Resurrection, the Life, the Truth, the Light of the world. The Son of God is unique. The ONE and ONLY Son. The ONLY begotten Son of God.

And that Son tells us His Father's will:

For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Sonand believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.” John 6:40
All God’s messengers, no exceptions, heard God through His manifested voice, as do His current messengers. And we’re sure He is the Almighty God, who said,

"All of you who are listening, listen carefully! I am your Lord God. Who are you afraid of? I am the Almighty. Who are you intimidated by? Remember, when I am by your side, you have nothing to fear, nothing to worry about, because I will save you from any calamity if you trust in Me and regard Me as your salvation and eternal life. As your Lord, whom you alone will worship and none other, I am the one true God existing in heaven, earth, or universe. I created all things, I gave you life. Where will you go? If not to Me, you have nowhere else to go.”

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OneJack wrote: Sun Feb 08, 2026 10:43 pm [Replying to tam in post #104]
tam wrote: The Christ is the Son of God.
Jesus is the Christ, the Almighty God who incarnated in the physical body of the Son of God, per se.
"You are the Christ, the Son of the Living God." Matt 16:16
Peter was talking to the Son of God, per se, to whom He addressed this phrase without knowing that the Father was the one who was in the Son. Peter’s phrase ‘the Son of the Living God’ refers directly to the Son, per se, the physical vessel of the Almighty God in His incarnation. Christ is actually the Father whom the Son said dwelt in Him.
tam wrote:Christ - who is the Son - is also the Word of God.
Christ - who was then in the Son - is Jesus, the Word of God.
tam wrote:The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
The Almighty God, whose name is Jesus, came in the flesh, the flesh of the Son of God who made his dwelling among the apostles. They have seen God’s glory in the one and only Son of God, the man who was born of Mary and to whom God gave His name Immanuel, or Mighty God, or Eternal Father, or Jesus.
tam wrote:In any case, the point was that we can know something is true if we hear it from Christ - who is also the Truth, the Word, the Chosen and Holy One of God.
In any case, the point is that we’ll know something is true if we hear it from Christ Jesus - who is the Truth, the Word of God, and the ALMIGHTY GOD who dwelt Himself in the Son of God, per se.
tam wrote:God did say after all, "This is my Son, whom I love. Listen to Him."
God was referring to the Son of God, per se, the man who was born of Mary and to whom the name Immanuel, or Jesus, or…… were given by God.
tam wrote:If we are to listen to God, we must also listen to His Son.
I told you already, the Son is long gone. The ‘small still voice ' continues to deceive you, telling you he is Christ, which is the greatest lie in the history of the planet earth.

tam wrote:But this is not what Christ teaches.

"My sheep listen to my voice."

When he has brought out all his own, he goes on ahead of them, and his sheep follow him because they know hisvoice. 5 But they will never follow a stranger; in fact, they will run away from him because they do not recognize a stranger’s voice.”

I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice

For this reason I was born and have come into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone who belongs to the truth listens to My voice.”
The Almighty God’s manifested voice was exactly the voice that was coming out from the mouth of the man named Jesus during the apostles - the voice which was by and through the Son’s voice. It’s so unfortunate that the ‘small still voice’ successfully triumphs in deceiving you that he is Christ, and that his followers, like you, hear his voice every time he teaches them.
tam wrote: Are you the Teacher that it should matter what you told me? Or does it matter what the true Teacher says:

From Revelation 2:18 (so after the death and resurrection and ascension):

"To the angel of the church in Thyatira write: These are the words of the Son of God, whose eyes are like blazing fire and whose feet are like burnished bronze. I know your deeds, your love and faiyour service and perseverance, and that you are now doing more than you did at first....
The Teacher alone, the Lord Jesus Christ, is the one who matters all the time.
tam wrote:The Son of God - who is the Christ - is very much alive and with His sheep still.
You’re deceived and still deceived that the ‘small still voice’ is Christ.
tam wrote:In summary, we have Peter who states that Christ is the Son of the Living God. We have Christ who confirms that this truth was revealed to Peter by God, Himself. And here in the revelation given to John, the Son of God is alive and speaking.

This is pretty black and white, OneJack.
I’ve explained this one above, you’ve misinterpreted this part.
tam wrote:And none of it depends on anything I have said. I am just a witness to the One who is the Truth.
I’ll be frank with you, you’re a witness of a deceiving spirit - the ‘small still voice’ hovering over you all the time.
tam wrote: Therefore, you did not hear from God that "Jesus" is the name of God. Not even the speaker in your 'thus saith the Lord" excerpts uses the name "Jesus"

But as to how God speaks:

God - the MOST Holy One of Israel and the Father of Christ - speaks through His Son.

Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world.

A couple things here:

1 - God speaks to us through His Son. He even said 'This is my Son, whom I love. Listen to Him."

2 - God also created the world through His Son (meaning the Son is not merely a vessel born on the planet earth a couple thousand years ago.) God's Son was present at the creation of the world (really at the creation of all things), and it is through the Son that God created the world.

3 - If you are claiming that the Son is just one of many manifestations - well that makes no sense. No prophet claimed to be the Son of God. Nor did they claim to be the Resurrection, the Life, the Truth, the Light of the world. The Son of God is unique. The ONE and ONLY Son. The ONLY begotten Son of God.

And that Son tells us His Father's will:

For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Sonand believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.” John 6:40
All God’s messengers, no exceptions, heard God through His manifested voice, as do His current messengers. And we’re sure He is the Almighty God, who said,

"All of you who are listening, listen carefully! I am your Lord God. Who are you afraid of? I am the Almighty. Who are you intimidated by? Remember, when I am by your side, you have nothing to fear, nothing to worry about, because I will save you from any calamity if you trust in Me and regard Me as your salvation and eternal life. As your Lord, whom you alone will worship and none other, I am the one true God existing in heaven, earth, or universe. I created all things, I gave you life. Where will you go? If not to Me, you have nowhere else to go.”
OneJack you continually say, "Peter was talking to the Son of God, per se, to whom He addressed this phrase without knowing that the Father was the one who was in the Son."

Are you saying it was the Father who became the "seed" that the Holy Spirit placed inside the womb of Mary so he coud have human flesh on his spiritual body? Was it the Father who grew in spirit and understanding? And it was the Father that the Jews were going to throw over the cliff after reading from the book of Isaiah? And it was the Father who could not make the Jews understand who he was, even by his mighty miracles. And it was the Father who went to the cross, died, was buried, descended into hell, and then went back to his own throne in heaven. Is that what you are preaching?

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placebofactor wrote: OneJack you continually say, "Peter was talking to the Son of God, per se, to whom He addressed this phrase without knowing that the Father was the one who was in the Son."
I do, and still do.
placebofactor wrote: Are you saying it was the Father who became the "seed" that the Holy Spirit placed inside the womb of Mary so he coud have human flesh on his spiritual body?
Angel Gabriel said,

“The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.”

“Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. 21 She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus,because he will save his people from their sins.”


The Holy Spirit overshadowed Mary, and that made her conceive and give birth to a son (male), which was the seed you’re referring to. But the Spirit and Life that was in that seed, as the seed himself declared to the Jews, was the Father. The human body or the seed himself was the vessel of the Father in His incarnation.

John 14:10. Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. 11 Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the works themselves.
placebofactor wrote: Was it the Father who grew in spirit and understanding?

Yes, the Father underwent growth in the spirit, as the physical body of the seed did. But this does not mean the Father, as the Almighty God, became a baby spirit, only His Spirit that was in the Son (seed).
placebofactor wrote: And it was the Father that the Jews were going to throw over the cliff after reading from the book of Isaiah?
The Jews were going to throw over the cliff the physical body of the Son (seed), per se. The spirit is untouchable, which, in this context, was the Father.

placebofactor wrote: And it was the Father who could not make the Jews understand who he was, even by his mighty miracles.
Yes, the Father, through the Son (seed), could not make the Jews understand who he was, even by his mighty miracles

placebofactor wrote: And it was the Father who went to the cross,
Yes, the Father, by and through the Son, went to the cross.
placebofactor wrote: died,

In this case, the Son, per se, died because the Father detached Himself from the physical body of the Son.
placebofactor wrote: was buried,

The physical body of the Son, not the Father who is Spirit, was buried after its death.
placebofactor wrote: descended into hell,

Yes, though this is just a metaphor since the Father is omnipresent.
placebofactor wrote: and then went back to his own throne in heaven.
The Father is omnipresent, He needs not go back to heaven, as many opine.
placebofactor wrote: Is that what you are preaching?
In accordance to how I responded to your queries.

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