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Why is Jesus mentioned with God

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1. Romans 1:7
“Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.”

2. 1 Corinthians 1:3
“Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.”

3. 2 Corinthians 1:2
“Grace be to you and peace from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.”

4. Galatians 1:3
“Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ.”

5. Ephesians 1:2
“Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.”

6. Philippians 1:2
“Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.”

7. Colossians 1:3
“We give thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you.”

8. 1 Thessalonians 1:1
“…Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.”

9. 2 Thessalonians 1:2
“Grace unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.”

10. Titus 1:4
“Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour.”
Paul just seems to refuse to give God the glory that is His alone.

If God and Jesus are separate, Jesus is created etc. Then why would the Bible, the authors of which care about the shema, keep drawing our attention to not God? How much not God for example is in the books of the Bible mentioned in the quoted verses.
Proverbs 18:17 The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.

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Re: Why is Jesus mentioned with God

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Wootah wrote: Wed Feb 04, 2026 8:57 pm
1. Romans 1:7
“Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.”

2. 1 Corinthians 1:3
“Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.”

3. 2 Corinthians 1:2
“Grace be to you and peace from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.”

4. Galatians 1:3
“Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ.”

5. Ephesians 1:2
“Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.”

6. Philippians 1:2
“Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.”

7. Colossians 1:3
“We give thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you.”

8. 1 Thessalonians 1:1
“…Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.”

9. 2 Thessalonians 1:2
“Grace unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.”

10. Titus 1:4
“Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour.”
Paul just seems to refuse to give God the glory that is His alone.

If God and Jesus are separate, Jesus is created etc. Then why would the Bible, the authors of which care about the shema, keep drawing our attention to not God? How much not God for example is in the books of the Bible mentioned in the quoted verses.
This makes as much sense as wondering why God is always mentioned with a sneeze. Is a sneeze God too?

The fact that all of these quotes appear in the first few verses of the first chapters give you a hint to the answer to your question. This isn't hard to figure out.


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Wootah wrote: Wed Feb 04, 2026 8:57 pm
1. Romans 1:7
“Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.”

2. 1 Corinthians 1:3
“Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.”

3. 2 Corinthians 1:2
“Grace be to you and peace from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.”

4. Galatians 1:3
“Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ.”

5. Ephesians 1:2
“Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.”

6. Philippians 1:2
“Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.”

7. Colossians 1:3
“We give thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you.”

8. 1 Thessalonians 1:1
“…Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.”

9. 2 Thessalonians 1:2
“Grace unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.”

10. Titus 1:4
“Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour.”
Paul just seems to refuse to give God the glory that is His alone.

If God and Jesus are separate, Jesus is created etc. Then why would the Bible, the authors of which care about the shema, keep drawing our attention to not God? How much not God for example is in the books of the Bible mentioned in the quoted verses.
Paul surely knew Jesus and God because he was an apostle. I see nothing wrong with his declarations about God and Jesus in the verses you posted in this chat board. If there were someone who refused to give God the glory that belongs to Him, it would be you and your notion of who Jesus is in the reality of His existence and living. No doubt, you’re a fallen prey of a convoluted doctrine about God and Jesus.

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Wootah wrote: Wed Feb 04, 2026 8:57 pm Paul just seems to refuse to give God the glory that is His alone.
It helps, if you read the whole Bible.

… we know that no idol is anything in the world, and that there is no other God but one. For though there are things that are called "gods," whether in the heavens or on earth; as there are many "gods" and many "lords;" yet to us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and we live through him.
1 Cor. 8:4-6
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
1 Tim. 2:5
There is one body, and one Spirit, even as you also were called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, who is over all, and through all, and in us all.
Eph. 4:4-6
For, "He put all things in subjection under his feet." But when he says, "All things are put in subjection," it is evident that he is excepted who subjected all things to him. When all things have been subjected to him, then the Son will also himself be subjected to him who subjected all things to him, that God may be all in all.
1 Cor. 15:27-28
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1213 wrote: It helps, if you read the whole Bible.
If we read the whole Bible, we had to start in the beginning.
The gospel of John said, in the beginning was the Word, the Word was with God and the Word was God.
God created all things through the Word, the speech/logos in the creation week, also uttered "Let Us make man in Our image,"
Whom was with the Father.
1213 wrote: … we know that no idol is anything in the world, and that there is no other God but one. For though there are things that are called "gods," whether in the heavens or on earth; as there are many "gods" and many "lords;" yet to us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and we live through him.
1 Cor. 8:4-6
The one God and one Lord mentioned as contradistinction from the “many gods and many lords” in verse 4.
If you interpret the one Lord, then Who is this one Lord called God in Acts 17:24?

Act 17:24  "The God who made the world and all things in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands; 
1213 wrote: For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
1 Tim. 2:5
Jesus before became flesh in the New Testament, was the Word, that was God. To quote Heb 13:8, Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever God.

The word "yesterday" with Strong#G5504, in Greek "ἐχθές echthes" defined by Louw and Nida Greek-English Lexicon based on semantic domain means as - an unlimited extension of time, from the past into the future, always, eternally, past and present and future.

Thus, from the past into the future, an unlimited extension of time, Jesus is eternally God, past, present and future, though He emptied Himself the form of God and take the likeness of man to die on the cross to give hope of salvation to all in faith.

Heb 13:8  R1JesusG2424 ChristG5547 is the sameG846 yesterdayG5504 and todayG4594 and foreverG165. 

G5504 Louw ans Nida Greek-English Lexicon)
ἐχθές echthes
an unlimited extension of time, from the past into the future - 'always, eternally, past and present and future.'
(from Greek-English Lexicon Based on Semantic Domain. Copyright © 1988 United Bible Societies, New York. Used by permission.)

1213 wrote: There is one body, and one Spirit, even as you also were called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, who is over all, and through all, and in us all.
Eph. 4:4-6
For, "He put all things in subjection under his feet." But when he says, "All things are put in subjection," it is evident that he is excepted who subjected all things to him. When all things have been subjected to him, then the Son will also himself be subjected to him who subjected all things to him, that God may be all in all.
1 Cor. 15:27-28
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[Replying to Wootah in post #1]

1 Cor. 11:3 - King James Bible:
But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

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tygger too wrote: Thu Feb 05, 2026 3:20 pm [Replying to Wootah in post #1]

1 Cor. 11:3 - King James Bible:
But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
Man is superior to the woman in role and functions but same in human nature, same as God is superior to Christ in role and functions, but being of the same essence/nature. As there is an order in the relative functions of the three persons of the Trinity, so it was appropriate for God to ordain a divine order in the functions of the family (husband, wife, children). God established this pattern in the very beginning, when Adam was first formed, then Eve, and then the children.

1Ti 2:13  For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve. 

Gen 1:28  God blessed them; and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over every living thing that moves on the earth." 


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[Replying to Tcg in post #2]

Hi Tcg,

I don't understand your post. Can you just engage in the forum thread or not. I at least can't see how your post is relevant to the debate.

edit: You say this isn't hard to figure out. Can you tell me what you mean. I want to know your thoughts, not guess them.
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OneJack wrote: Thu Feb 05, 2026 1:58 am
Paul surely knew Jesus and God because he was an apostle. I see nothing wrong with his declarations about God and Jesus in the verses you posted in this chat board. If there were someone who refused to give God the glory that belongs to Him, it would be you and your notion of who Jesus is in the reality of His existence and living. No doubt, you’re a fallen prey of a convoluted doctrine about God and Jesus.
That's great that you confidently assert, as I do, that Paul surely knew Jesus and God. I have a new thread on 1 Timothy and I want you to help explain Paul's confident knowledge there.

viewtopic.php?p=1182705#p1182705
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[Replying to tygger too in post #6]

1 Corinthians 11:3 describes the different roles of Jesus and the Father, not their status as both being fully God, @tygger too, as John is inspired to write in describing both their divine status and their different roles in John 1:1:

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 
Joh 1:2  He was in the beginning with God. 
Joh 1:3  All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. 
Joh 1:4  In him was life, and the life was the light of men. 

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