Did Jesus come back to life and 'ascend' into the sky?

[Zzyzx]

The KEY question is "Did Jesus come back to life and 'ascend' into the sky?" because unless those claims are true, Christianity is based on fraud.

No contemporary historian, chronicler, recorder, or anyone else mentioned Jesus during his lifetime or anything he may have said or done.

Half a century later (40 to 60 years or more) four religion promoters wrote stories about him. The true identity of those 'gospel' writers is unknown to theologians and scholars, and none of them can be shown to have personally witnessed anything Jesus may have said or done.

"In the entire first Christian century Jesus is not mentioned by a single Greek or Roman historian, religion scholar, politician, philosopher or poet. His name never occurs in a single inscription, and it is never found in a single piece of private correspondence. Zero! Zip references!" Dr. Bart Ehrman Professor of Religious Studies

AND only ONE of the gospel writers (whoever wrote 'Luke' and 'Acts') described the 'ascension', and he admits in his introduction that he is recording what he heard from others.

I, for one, would NOT believe tales told by four people claiming that someone came back to life (because a tomb was supposedly found empty). I certainly would not believe a tale told by one person about what he had heard from others that, half a century earlier, someone 'rose up into the sky'.

[Zzyzx]

[Replying to AchillesHeel in post #6]

AND, tales of 'resurrection' and some sort of sky-flying by 'gods' are common in ancient folklore, mythology, and religions.

[Zzyzx]

The Son of God, per se, died on the cross and was resurrected afterward. But Jesus, on the other hand, is the Almighty God who incarnated Himself in the bodily flesh of the Son of God.

Kindly provide verifiable evidence to support your claim that 'the son of god' was 'resurrected.'

[Zzyzx]

[Replying to Zzyzx in post #1]

According to the stories, yes.

There are similar stories about many people seeing Elvis Presley after he died. Shall we accept the stories as verification that he was 'resurrected'?

[William]

[Replying to Zzyzx in post #1]

According to the stories, yes.

There are similar stories about many people seeing Elvis Presley after he died. Shall we accept the stories as verification that he was 'resurrected'?

Your first question was "Did Jesus come back to life and 'ascend' into the sky?"

Can you tell me exactly how similar these stories about Elvis were to the ones we have about Jesus?

[OneJack]

The Son of God, per se, died on the cross and was resurrected afterward. But Jesus, on the other hand, is the Almighty God who incarnated Himself in the bodily flesh of the Son of God.

Kindly provide verifiable evidence to support your claim that 'the son of god' was 'resurrected.'

After the Son was lifted and taken by the clouds, the Lord Jesus Christ kept his (Son) resurrected physical body [Jesus’ vessel in His incarnation] in the ark of the covenant, where Moses’ body was, too.

I don’t have to substantiate this claim since this info has no bearing, whatsoever, with respect to our salvation and, much more so, in knowing God and Jesus, who, alone, can save us all.

[1213]

[Replying to 1213 in post #2]

What are my "tales about the history" to which you refer?

For example: "No contemporary historian, chronicler, recorder, or anyone else mentioned Jesus during his lifetime or anything he may have said or done".

[Zzyzx]

[Replying to Zzyzx in post #1]

According to the stories, yes.

There are similar stories about many people seeing Elvis Presley after he died. Shall we accept the stories as verification that he was 'resurrected'?

Your first question was "Did Jesus come back to life and 'ascend' into the sky?"

Can you tell me exactly how similar these stories about Elvis were to the ones we have about Jesus?

There are claims made in gospel stories that people saw Jesus alive after he died. There are claims in newspapers and magazines that people saw Elvis after he died. They have in common (or are comparable) in that neither set of claims has been verified as being true.

[Zzyzx]

The Son of God, per se, died on the cross and was resurrected afterward. But Jesus, on the other hand, is the Almighty God who incarnated Himself in the bodily flesh of the Son of God.

Kindly provide verifiable evidence to support your claim that 'the son of god' was 'resurrected.'

After the Son was lifted and taken by the clouds, the Lord Jesus Christ kept his (Son) resurrected physical body [Jesus’ vessel in His incarnation] in the ark of the covenant, where Moses’ body was, too.

I don’t have to substantiate this claim since this info has no bearing, whatsoever, with respect to our salvation and, much more so, in knowing God and Jesus, who, alone, can save us all.

In honorable debate a person IS responsible for providing verifiable evidence to support their claims if challenged.

[Zzyzx]

[Replying to 1213 in post #2]

What are my "tales about the history" to which you refer?

For example: "No contemporary historian, chronicler, recorder, or anyone else mentioned Jesus during his lifetime or anything he may have said or done".

My statement is based on
"In the entire first Christian century Jesus is not mentioned by a single Greek or Roman historian, religion scholar, politician, philosopher or poet. His name never occurs in a single inscription, and it is never found in a single piece of private correspondence. Zero! Zip references!"
From: Dr. Bart Ehrman Professor of Religious Studies

[William]

[Replying to Zzyzx in post #1]

According to the stories, yes.

There are similar stories about many people seeing Elvis Presley after he died. Shall we accept the stories as verification that he was 'resurrected'?

Your first question was "Did Jesus come back to life and 'ascend' into the sky?"

Can you tell me exactly how similar these stories about Elvis were to the ones we have about Jesus?

There are claims made in gospel stories that people saw Jesus alive after he died. There are claims in newspapers and magazines that people saw Elvis after he died. They have in common (or are comparable) in that neither set of claims has been verified as being true.

Well then, what do you make of that?
Did women from Graceland, including Priscilla, witness Elvis' burial?
Did those women later find his tomb empty?
Did Joe Esposito and Red and Sonny West seal and guard the tomb?
Did Billy Smith hear from the women close to elvis that his tomb was open and empty?
Did Jerry Schilling doubt their reports and go have a look for himself?
Did Marty Lacker Charlie Hodge and Lamar Fike later meet Elvis on the road to Las Vegas and tell the rest of the entourage of their encounter and did Jesus appear to most of the "Memphis Mafia, later that same day and eat and drink with them?
Did the risen Elvis show Dr. George Nichopoulos anything about his body which verified that it was indeed Elvis?
and finally, did Elvis tell his entourage to tell the world of all that they had witnessed, sing one final song and then rise up off the planet and disappear behind some clouds?