Jesus is a Myth!

[POI]

The Gospels are fiction and the Jesus character is a myth. There may have been a Jesus upon whom the character is based, but I doubt it.

Loosely, there was a church already in existence when Paul became an apostle (Galatians 2). I don't think we know anything about it, because that church was effectively destroyed by the sack of Jerusalem in A.D. 70. Paul's Asian churches were effectively unmoored and they absorbed a sort of second- or third-hand tradition left over from the Jerusalem church. That tradition was allegorically retold in the Synoptics. Acts is a sort of theological textbook, allegorically describing the fusion of the Pauline churches and what little remained of the Jerusalem church through the conflict between its Peter and Paul characters and the resoliution of that conflict.

For debate: Was Jesus a real character from antiquity? If so, how do we know?

The stakes are very high for the Orthodox believer. Why? If Jesus never existed, it's completely game over. Christianity is dead before we ever get to ask if Jesus ever rose. If Jesus did exist, then we can still question his claimed actions(s) all the way up to him rising again....

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At the moment, I'm personally agnostic to this topic position. But I would sure love to see how this topic fleshes out among all the smarties who exchange within this arena

[Clownboat]

We would not have a good concept to believe in if God did not exist.

This is false and demonstrably so.
We in fact do have a good understanding about the character concepts Batman, Spiderman and Superman? Even though they don't exist. Billions of humans worship Allah. Does that mean that Allah exists for you? Of course not!

As I’ve said, God does not stop communicating with mankind across all generations; hence, the Bible would be irrelevant in this context.

Once again, this is nothing but self indoctrination. I acknowledge that you believe this statement. Can you acknowledge that your self imposed indoctrination cannot be placed on to others? You say this, you believe it, but you cannot demonstrate the truth of it.

If you heard and learned what you share with others, would you call what you’re doing self-indoctrination? Debate appears to be a mistake on my part if I engage in it.

The empty religious platitudes like, "God does not stop communicating with mankind" are the types of self indoctrination statements that I'm referring to. You can't show the truth of these words, but repeating them surely reinforces your preconceived religious beliefs.

Yes I still wonder why you fail to understand [not to accept is out of the question] we were able to talk to God for approximately 14 years, hence, the manner by which we gained the knowledge about Him, real and forever living.

What are you on about!? I fully understand your claim. Due to the fact that it is anecdotal and you cannot show that you speak the truth, I'm withholding belief in your claim until the burden is met. Like you would do if you met a Muslim making similar claims to the ones you make.

It seems you want me to bring God to you and force Him to speak with you just to appease your wanting desire of seeing God truly exist.

You're making claims. I would like for you to show that you speak the truth since they involve communing with a God that is claimed to have created the universe. Quite a fantastic claim don't you think? Shouldn't some evidence be warranted? Would you believe your claim if it came from a Muslim? Of course not, yet here you sit, complaining.

Still no clarification on the matter. I remain convinced that you would not be impressed by a Muslim telling you about the Almighty God of the Quran and yet that is what you offer me. .

No comment.

None is required. Your silence is all that is required.

Gah!!! Would you believe in Allah if I provided similar anecdotal evidence from a Muslim. If not, please self reflect.

Passed for this particular issue.

I acknowledge that it is uncomfortable for you to consider the words you offer, coming from a Muslim and trying to take them seriously.

Doing this in the wrong way, even for a century, merits no favor.

I acknowledge that you have been seeking Allah incorrectly for years, which according to your reasoning is why you have not found the one true God. How compelling do you find your own reasoning?
Please demonstrate how you know that I sought and believed in the God of the bible in the wrong way for my 2 decades of being a believer.

The proof of the pudding is in the eating. Crossing the Great Divide will give you the taste of the pudding. When we die, that. will be the time we’ll come to know the truth about God.

No it wont. What are you on about!
Remember before you were born? That is what it will be like after you die since our discussion has turned into making ridiculous empty claims for which there is no evidence. I acknowledge that you are a Christian and suffer the burdens (like this one) of such a belief though. Perhaps someday you will be set free?

Being an evangelist is a wrong choice of profession and service to God because He (God) appoints no one to that post but Him.

Who are you talking to that had the profession of being an evangelist? If you prayed to your God, do you think it would help you to debate better? Could you imagine the quality of debate coming from a person that communes with the creator of the universe! It would be marvelous!

You should have doubted a bit about your job when God did not respond to you despite your effort in talking to Him for the whole duration of your supposed service to Him?

How can you possibly know what I should have done? You have no idea what I went though and how hard it was to finally admit that this god is no more real than any other god concept available.
Should people doubt their sanity if they are hearing voices in their head?

Yes, something is wrong with you. You can’t accept that God continuous to speak with mankind across all generations, as simple as that.

Leaving this here for all our readers to witness.

[OneJack]

We would not have a good concept to believe in if God did not exist.

This is false and demonstrably so.
We in fact do have a good understanding about the character concepts Batman, Spiderman and Superman? Even though they don't exist. Billions of humans worship Allah. Does that mean that Allah exists for you? Of course not!

The demonstration you portrayed is only within the limits and bounds of the human mind, which favors lies over truth. Since you cannot prevent death from crossing into your path in due time, it proves there is one who controls you, more supreme and powerful than you, and that is the Almighty, whom you do not see, but is always beside you.

Once again, this is nothing but self indoctrination. I acknowledge that you believe this statement. Can you acknowledge that your self imposed indoctrination cannot be placed on to others? You say this, you believe it, but you cannot demonstrate the truth of it.

My job is only to scatter to all everything God told us to scatter, no more, no less. Proving God exists is the sole job of the Almighty Himself.

If you heard and learned from God what you share with others, would you call what you’re doing self-indoctrination? Debate appears to be a mistake on my part if I engage in it.

The empty religious platitudes like, "God does not stop communicating with mankind" are the types of self indoctrination statements that I'm referring to. You can't show the truth of these words, but repeating them surely reinforces your preconceived religious beliefs.

God’s revelations to His sons/friends/families are the best testimonies to His existence. However, skeptics and backsliders treat them as nothing but rhetoric and useless anecdotes.

What are you on about!? I fully understand your claim. Due to the fact that it is anecdotal and you cannot show that you speak the truth, I'm withholding belief in your claim until the burden is met. Like you would do if you met a Muslim making similar claims to the ones you make.

I mean, we were able to talk to God, but despite that, you keep insisting it’s just self-indoctrination. What burden of proof will convince you that God still speaks with mankind as in the days of old?

You're making claims. I would like for you to show that you speak the truth since they involve communing with a God that is claimed to have created the universe. Quite a fantastic claim don't you think? Shouldn't some evidence be warranted? Would you believe your claim if it came from a Muslim? Of course not, yet here you sit, complaining.

What convincing evidence may soften your heart in coming back to God, to whom you previously offered and dedicated your whole life?

I acknowledge that you have been seeking Allah incorrectly for years, which according to your reasoning is why you have not found the one true God. How compelling do you find your own reasoning?
Please demonstrate how you know that I sought and believed in the God of the bible in the wrong way for my 2 decades of being a believer.

Your acknowledgement that God never responded to you audibly or through any of His manifestations in communicating with mankind proves the wrong way to come to God for a personal, direct encounter with Him.

No it wont. What are you on about!
Remember before you were born? That is what it will be like after you die since our discussion has turned into making ridiculous empty claims for which there is no evidence. I acknowledge that you are a Christian and suffer the burdens (like this one) of such a belief though. Perhaps someday you will be set free?

It’s either you’re free or not free once you’ve crossed the Great Divide. There will be no turning back once we cross it because the playing field is here on earth.

Who are you talking to that had the profession of being an evangelist? If you prayed to your God, do you think it would help you to debate better? Could you imagine the quality of debate coming from a person that communes with the creator of the universe! It would be marvelous!

God saves persons who are willing to be saved, but He does not engage in a debate with those who are against Him, as well as with those who are drunk with their own wisdom.

How can you possibly know what I should have done? You have no idea what I went though and how hard it was to finally admit that this god is no more real than any other god concept available.
Should people doubt their sanity if they are hearing voices in their head?

It depends on what the voice tells you to do. If the voice draws you nigh to the Almighty, that will be better for your soul’s destiny.

[Clownboat]

The demonstration you portrayed is only within the limits and bounds of the human mind, which favors lies over truth.

You failed to answer the question that was asked of you again. Are you unable to comprehend my questions? I would use crayons if the site would allow.
Please show that you speak the truth in that you are not just merely projecting your desire to lie on to others.

Since you cannot prevent death from crossing into your path in due time, it proves there is one who controls you, more supreme and powerful than you, and that is the Almighty, whom you do not see, but is always beside you.

OneJack, please provide the thing that you claim controls me and how exactly you came about this knowledge that I'm being controlled. I ask, because I believe you are lying in an attempt to deceive, but acknowledge that I might be mistaken.

My job is only to scatter to all everything God told us to scatter, no more, no less. Proving God exists is the sole job of the Almighty Himself.

This response has nothing to do with the self indoctrination you continue to offer as if you can self indoctrinate others. Instead you tell me about some job you think you have for a god concept.

God’s revelations to His sons/friends/families are the best testimonies to His existence.

No they are not. These claimed testimonies are no more meaningful then the ones that come from the Muslim or Hindu.

However, skeptics and backsliders treat them as nothing but rhetoric and useless anecdotes.

You have so far failed to show that your rhetoric and anecdotal story are meaningful in the real world, so all that is left for you to do is to blame others for your failing.

I mean, we were able to talk to God, but despite that, you keep insisting it’s just self-indoctrination.

I have been very clear where you are trying to place your self indoctrinating claims on to others. Something that cannot be done, yet you continue. Your indoctrination doesn't impress me.

What burden of proof will convince you that God still speaks with mankind as in the days of old?

If your posting quality here were to improve because the God that created the universe communes with you would be a great start. Either way, your question is silly because if there was an all knowing God, it would be definition know what would convince me. This informs me that the God you speak about is not speaking to you, less you would know already.

You're making claims. I would like for you to show that you speak the truth since they involve communing with a God that is claimed to have created the universe. Quite a fantastic claim don't you think? Shouldn't some evidence be warranted? Would you believe your claim if it came from a Muslim? Of course not, yet here you sit, complaining.

What convincing evidence may soften your heart in coming back to God, to whom you previously offered and dedicated your whole life?

See what I wrote and see your reply. You are failing so hard at debate that I just cannot believe that you are in communication with an all knowing god concept.
I feel like I could ask you what color the sky is and you will then tell me about how great your preferred god concept is.

Your acknowledgement that God never responded to you audibly or through any of His manifestations in communicating with mankind proves the wrong way to come to God for a personal, direct encounter with Him.

No it doesn't. Your reasoning is dumb and doesn't make sense. Just a case of blaming the victim. All that it actually shows is that this said god concept never made itself real in my life. Nothing more is actually shown.

It’s either you’re free or not free once you’ve crossed the Great Divide.

I notice that you like to pretend that you have information that you don't have. I'm guessing that it is empowering, so you don't want to stop doing it.

There will be no turning back once we cross it because the playing field is here on earth.

Oh hum... more of the same.

God saves persons who are willing to be saved, but He does not engage in a debate with those who are against Him, as well as with those who are drunk with their own wisdom.

Since all you are doing is making stupid claims, let me have a go at it.
Your god does not save people. Even those who want to be saved, he doesn't save. Also, he does engage in debate with those who question his existence. Especially if they are drunk on their own wisdom.
Isn't debate great! I wish everyone debated like you!

It depends on what the voice tells you to do. If the voice draws you nigh to the Almighty, that will be better for your soul’s destiny.

What do the voices in your head tell you to do?

[OneJack]

[Replying to Clownboat in post #263]

You failed to answer the question that was asked of you again. Are you unable to comprehend my questions? I would use crayons if the site would allow.
Please show that you speak the truth in that you are not just merely projecting your desire to lie on to others.

You can’t accept that we’ve heard and learned the ‘good concept’ of believing in God from God Himself [who is unseen at the moment]. The sad truth in you is that unless God speaks with you, that’s the mtime that you will only believe He (God) really does exist.

OneJack, please provide the thing that you claim controls me and how exactly you came about this knowledge that I'm being controlled. I ask, because I believe you are lying in an attempt to deceive, but acknowledge that I might be mistaken.

God taught us that our lives are in His hands, thus, saith the Almighty,

“Remember, eternal life and your salvation are in My hands. If you want to be saved, come and draw near to Me. If you want eternal life, come and call upon Me. Trust in Me, because if you don't, you will have no salvation and no eternal life. You will have nowhere to go but to calamity and suffering. But if you draw near to Me, you will attain nothing but peace – peace if you accept it, if you trust in Me, if you believe in Me with all your heart and all your love. Love Me with all your heart, and worship none other but Me, the one and only Lord.”

You don’t have anything that you could use to control your life, which, whether you like it or not, is headed to crossing the Great Divide one day. If you could override your imminent crossing of the Great Divide one day, God would not be in control of your life.

This response has nothing to do with the self indoctrination you continue to offer as if you can self indoctrinate others. Instead you tell me about some job you think you have for a god concept.

The phrase, ‘self-indoctrination,’ is just a fruit of your insinuation that arose from the ‘sour grapes’ you tasted in your frustrated quest for a direct encounter with God. Therefore, no amount of revelations from God will diminish the degree of frustration you’ve experienced in that quest for God.

No they are not. These claimed testimonies are no more meaningful then the ones that come from the Muslim or Hindu.

Prove it! If you can’t, you’re just having a bad time with the utterances of the Almighty.

You have so far failed to show that your rhetoric and anecdotal story are meaningful in the real world, so all that is left for you to do is to blame others for your failing.

You must be the one to prove the authenticity of your ‘presumption of anecdotal’ to discredit the utterance of God lest your accusation appears only as useless and mere blabbing in the air.

Contrary to your skewed perception, Eternal Life, as a promise from God, is not designed to be meaningful in this world but in the planet of Paradise, which will soon come right after the Judgment Day of the Lord. Your wrong perception about the promise of the Lord on Eternal Life prevents you from putting your trust in God alone.
[qpuote=Clownboat]I have been very clear where you are trying to place your self indoctrinating claims on to others. Something that cannot be done, yet you continue. Your indoctrination doesn't impress me.[/quote]
You don’t have proof of what you accuse me of, and my job is not to impress you in exchange for your total trust in God. You can’t force God to give in to your vicious desire to speak with you on your terms.

If your posting quality here were to improve because the God that created the universe communes with you would be a great start. Either way, your question is silly because if there was an all knowing God, it would be definition know what would convince me. This informs me that the God you speak about is not speaking to you, less you would know already.

God’s ways are not your ways nor mine. What is quality-wise to you may not be the same as what is to God. The premise that God never stops communicating with mankind, across all generations, still stands firm, and no one can debunk that status of God’s dealing with mankind, not unless you’re higher than God.

See what I wrote and see your reply. You are failing so hard at debate that I just cannot believe that you are in communication with an all knowing god concept.
I feel like I could ask you what color the sky is and you will then tell me about how great your preferred god concept is.

How and where have I failed with your opinion and presumptions, which are without basis and concrete proof? You expect me to know the answer to whatever you ask me of just because I say God is communing with us. But that is only your opinion, and it is without basis. It’s nothing, but just your own insinuation about God’s ways of shepherding His sheep.

No it doesn't. Your reasoning is dumb and doesn't make sense. Just a case of blaming the victim. All that it actually shows is that this said god concept never made itself real in my life. Nothing more is actually shown.

Now you’re in a tantrum simply because God never responded to you audibly despite your efforts of calling upon Him. Since your way still doesn’t work with God, you should change the ways you previously used so that God may grant you what you want from Him.

I notice that you like to pretend that you have information that you don't have. I'm guessing that it is empowering, so you don't want to stop doing it.

I have nothing to pretend since God shepherded us for approximately 14 years. God provided us with the things that He wants us to scatter to all. What specifically is it that you accuse me of pretending to have but that I don’t have?

Since all you are doing is making stupid claims, let me have a go at it.
Your god does not save people. Even those who want to be saved, he doesn't save. Also, he does engage in debate with those who question his existence. Especially if they are drunk on their own wisdom.
Isn't debate great! I wish everyone debated like you!

What concrete evidence do you have to prove your accusation against God that He does not save? On what basis do you accuse Him of not saving anyone?

Salvation is a promise, and, therefore, its fulfillment will be in Paradise. Which is yet to come to reality.

What do the voices in your head tell you to do?

The Lord audibly spoke to us, even though He is still unseen at the moment.

[Clownboat]

You can’t accept that we’ve heard and learned the ‘good concept’ of believing in God from God Himself [who is unseen at the moment].

Bingo! And you cannot show that you speak the truth on this matter.

The sad truth in you is that unless God speaks with you, that’s the mtime that you will only believe He (God) really does exist.

This is not a truth. It is just a claim.

OneJack, please provide the thing that you claim controls me and how exactly you came about this knowledge that I'm being controlled. I ask, because I believe you are lying in an attempt to deceive, but acknowledge that I might be mistaken.

God taught us that our lives are in His hands, thus, saith the Almighty,

This is just another claim and fails to provide the thing that you also claim controls me. You sure do make a lot of claims!

“Remember, eternal life and your salvation are in My hands. If you want to be saved, come and draw near to Me. If you want eternal life, come and call upon Me. Trust in Me, because if you don't, you will have no salvation and no eternal life. You will have nowhere to go but to calamity and suffering. But if you draw near to Me, you will attain nothing but peace – peace if you accept it, if you trust in Me, if you believe in Me with all your heart and all your love. Love Me with all your heart, and worship none other but Me, the one and only Lord.”

I acknowledge these claims you make. Can you show that you speak the truth?

You don’t have anything that you could use to control your life, which, whether you like it or not, is headed to crossing the Great Divide one day. If you could override your imminent crossing of the Great Divide one day, God would not be in control of your life.

Honest question. Do you suffer from religious paranoia? Your claims are getting weirder and weirder.

The phrase, ‘self-indoctrination,’ is just a fruit of your insinuation that arose from the ‘sour grapes’ you tasted in your frustrated quest for a direct encounter with God. Therefore, no amount of revelations from God will diminish the degree of frustration you’ve experienced in that quest for God.

If a god doesn't exist, it cannot make itself known and therefore cannot offer revelations. I'm not aware of any real god concepts though, so this is all moot.

Prove it! If you can’t, you’re just having a bad time with the utterances of the Almighty.

It's as if you are unable to follow along... What utterances are you referring to?

You must be the one to prove the authenticity of your ‘presumption of anecdotal’ to discredit the utterance of God lest your accusation appears only as useless and mere blabbing in the air.

Deal. Your story is anecdotal because it meets the definition.
an·ec·do·tal
/ˌanəkˈdōd(ə)l/
adjective
(of an account) not necessarily true or reliable, because based on personal accounts rather than facts or research.

Contrary to your skewed perception, Eternal Life, as a promise from God, is not designed to be meaningful in this world but in the planet of Paradise, which will soon come right after the Judgment Day of the Lord. Your wrong perception about the promise of the Lord on Eternal Life prevents you from putting your trust in God alone.

Sorry, but it is logic the prevents me. I acknowledge that out of all of the available god concepts, none of them have so far been shown to be true. You need to correct your thinking.

You don’t have proof of what you accuse me of, and my job is not to impress you in exchange for your total trust in God. You can’t force God to give in to your vicious desire to speak with you on your terms.

I do have proof of your self indoctrinating statements. Here is one of the more recent ones:
"God does not stop communicating with mankind across all generations"

God’s ways are not your ways nor mine.

No one claimed that any gods ways were yours or mine. Please try to keep up with the actual discussion taking place.

What is quality-wise to you may not be the same as what is to God.

Did someone claim that they would be the same or are you just having a hard time following along?

The premise that God never stops communicating with mankind, across all generations, still stands firm, and no one can debunk that status of God’s dealing with mankind, not unless you’re higher than God.

Let's grant this for debate. Now please show that the premise is actually true and not just a form of self indoctrination.

How and where have I failed with your opinion and presumptions, which are without basis and concrete proof?

I provided the proof when I quoted your responses while showing that they had nothing to do with the statement you had quoted.

You expect me to know the answer to whatever you ask me of just because I say God is communing with us.

You claim to speak with an all knowing god concept. If your claim was true, you would by definition have access to all knowledge said God is willing to share. You don't seem to actually be talking to an all knowing God. You do seem like a good devout religious person and I would assume you would have made a great Muslim had you been born in the Middle East. Do you agree?

Now you’re in a tantrum simply because God never responded to you audibly despite your efforts of calling upon Him.

You have no idea how silly your reasoning is do you?
Imagine that I just claimed that you are in a tantrum because Santa Clause didn't get you the presents you wanted.
OneJack: "That makes no sense because I don't believe in Santa Clause!"
Clownboat:

Since your way still doesn’t work with God, you should change the ways you previously used so that God may grant you what you want from Him.

Since the way you believe in Santa Clause doesn't work, you should change your ways.
Since the way you believe in Allah doesn't work, you should change your ways.
Since the way you believe in Vishnu doesn't work, you should change your ways.
You offer absurdities as demonstrated.

I notice that you like to pretend that you have information that you don't have. I'm guessing that it is empowering, so you don't want to stop doing it.

I have nothing to pretend since God shepherded us for approximately 14 years. God provided us with the things that He wants us to scatter to all. What specifically is it that you accuse me of pretending to have but that I don’t have?

Most recently... this:
"It’s either you’re free or not free once you’ve crossed the Great Divide."

Since all you are doing is making stupid claims, let me have a go at it.
Your god does not save people. Even those who want to be saved, he doesn't save. Also, he does engage in debate with those who question his existence. Especially if they are drunk on their own wisdom.
Isn't debate great! I wish everyone debated like you!

What concrete evidence do you have to prove your accusation against God that He does not save? On what basis do you accuse Him of not saving anyone?

Holy monkeys! Read the bold again as it obviously went over your head.

Salvation is a promise, and, therefore, its fulfillment will be in Paradise.

I once again hear and acknowledge your self indoctrinating claim. Can you show that you speak the truth though?

The Lord audibly spoke to us, even though He is still unseen at the moment.

Apparently OneJack spoke with the creator of the universe. Isn't that neat!

[OneJack]

[Replying to Clownboat in post #265]

Bingo! And you cannot show that you speak the truth on this matter.

Whoahhh!!! I’ve shown you direct utterance from the Living God, but you can’t recognize them since you don’t have anything [from anyone higher than the Living God) to counter or debunk them, but your capricious denial and outright rejection

This is not a truth. It is just a claim.

Then prove to me ‘God doesn’t exist,’ as you continuously quote in most of your posts.

This is just another claim and fails to provide the thing that you also claim controls me. You sure do make a lot of claims!

Death is real to all, and many have tasted it, but you keep on denying that God has no control over your life, though you know for sure that you will soon cross the Great Divide one day, without any sign or warning. What evidence do you have to prove God has no control over your life?

I acknowledge these claims you make. Can you show that you speak the truth?

Uuhhhuh!!! The narratives are direct utterances from God, and the proof of the pudding, in this context, is in the ‘crossing of the Great Divide’ if you continue to ignore God. If not, the proof of the pudding, again in this context, is in living and supping with God while we are still here on the big rock where we live.

Honest question. Do you suffer from religious paranoia?

Honest response - NO!

Your claims are getting weirder and weirder.

Not until you cross the Great Divide!

If a god doesn't exist, it cannot make itself known and therefore cannot offer revelations. I'm not aware of any real god concepts though, so this is all moot.

I tell you, ‘Not until you cross the Great Divide!’
If God did’n’t exist, there would be nothing at all.
Now that everything exists in this world and out there in the universe, it proves to us that there is someone, powerful and omniscient, who controls the life and existence of everything. And on top of these, God allowed us to write His direct revelations He uttered [to us] to warrant His existence - the utterances that you treat as ‘anecdotal.’

Unfortunately, all you have is your ‘sour grapes’ and ‘outright rejection’ to debunk the reality of the existence of God. Worse and paradoxical, God has been talking to you all the days of your life until now [in a manner you’re not privy to and as a trial to test your heart], yet you continuously claim God does not exist.

It's as if you are unable to follow along... What utterances are you referring to?

Follow along, where to your outright rejection and ‘sour grapes’ when God didn’t respond to your call?

Btw, I’m referring to direct utterances of God like this part, where the Almighty says,

"Remember, eternal life and your salvation are in My hands. If you want to be saved, come and draw near to Me. If you want eternal life, come and call upon Me. Trust in Me, because if you don't, you will have no salvation and no eternal life. You will have nowhere to go but to calamity and suffering. But if you draw near to Me, you will attain nothing but peace – peace if you accept it, if you trust in Me, if you believe in Me with all your heart and all your love. Love Me with all your heart, and worship none other but Me, the one and only Lord.

Deal. Your story is anecdotal because it meets the definition.
an·ec·do·tal
/ˌanəkˈdōd(ə)l/
adjective
(of an account) not necessarily true or reliable, because based on personal accounts rather than facts or research.

The existence of the Almighty God [who is the creator of heaven and earth] is the subject matter of our conversation, but, unfortunately, you treat His existence as mere ‘anecdotal’ based on a definition in a dictionary, which is not God in the first place. And debunking God’s existence is not feasible if you don’t have direct revelations from someone higher than God.

Sorry, but it is logic the prevents me. I acknowledge that out of all of the available god concepts, none of them have so far been shown to be true. You need to correct your thinking.

The root cause of why you do not want to believe again in God is that God did not respond to you when you came to Him for a direct conversation and encounter. In this regard, you consider everything you read about God as falsity and non-negotiable.

I do have proof of your self indoctrinating statements. Here is one of the more recent ones:
"God does not stop communicating with mankind across all generations"

We firmly believe God continues to communicate with mankind across generations, because He spoke with us for about 14 years.

No one claimed that any gods ways were yours or mine. Please try to keep up with the actual discussion taking place.

It’s not claiming, per se, but comparison, meaning God’s ways are different from your ways, hence, a great possibility that your expectation for God’s actuations on your pleading [to Him] may be different from His actual actuations He may render thereon.

Did someone claim that they would be the same or are you just having a hard time following along?

You are expecting quality-wise postings [from me] that will convince you to believe God exists because I say God communicated with us, aren’t you? Don’t you know that God does not give in to the desires of the hearts of those who do not have faith in Him? A hardened heart instead would be your prize for continuing to believe that God does not exist, as you claimed.

Let's grant this for debate. Now please show that the premise is actually true and not just a form of self indoctrination.

I told you God spoke with us starting in 2001, and He uttered to us these narratives that describe who He is, saying:

“"All of you who are listening, listen carefully! I am your Lord God. Who are you afraid of? I am the Almighty. Who are you intimidated by? Remember, when I am by your side, you have nothing to fear, nothing to worry about, because I will save you from any calamity if you trust in Me and regard Me as your salvation and eternal life. As your Lord, whom you alone will worship and none other, I am the one true God existing in heaven, earth, or universe. I created all things, I gave you life. Where will you go? If not to Me, you have nowhere else to go.”

This utterance that we heard and learned from God testifies that He (God) never stops communicating with mankind across all generations. How will you now refute these things He uttered, knowing you’re not higher than God? You can’t just say this is anecdotal; you have to prove it to warrant your accusation, which is without basis.

I provided the proof when I quoted your responses while showing that they had nothing to do with the statement you had quoted.

Yours is just an outright rejection on the premise that God never stops communicating with mankind across all generations. You can’t refute or disprove because you have nothing to counteroffer to that premise.

You claim to speak with an all knowing god concept. If your claim was true, you would by definition have access to all knowledge said God is willing to share.

Didn’t I share with you utterances from God that we’ve heard and learned from Him? But you only counter it with an outright rejection, period.

You don't seem to actually be talking to an all knowing God. You do seem like a good devout religious person and I would assume you would have made a great Muslim had you been born in the Middle East. Do you agree?

You hear nothing yet from God until now. Therefore, what you accuse me of in the above narratives is nothing but your baseless opinion on me.

You have no idea how silly your reasoning is do you?
Imagine that I just claimed that you are in a tantrum because Santa Clause didn't get you the presents you wanted.
OneJack: "That makes no sense because I don't believe in Santa Clause!"
Clownboat:

You’re an ex-evangelist who previously believed in God, weren’t you? Why use Santa Claus to hide the truth about your belief?

Since the way you believe in Santa Clause doesn't work, you should change your ways.
Since the way you believe in Allah doesn't work, you should change your ways.
Since the way you believe in Vishnu doesn't work, you should change your ways.
You offer absurdities as demonstrated.

If you do not change the way you deal with God, you’ll surely miss the trip bound for heaven. Our lives are in his hands, and He has the power to take them any time He wants.

Most recently... this:
"It’s either you’re free or not free once you’ve crossed the Great Divide."

Free from the fire of hell means you’re heaven-bound, but if not, you’re hell-bound. No one can escape the ‘crossing of the Great Divide’ in due time. The tangible evidence for this one is ‘death,’ which will come to all of us in our time, sooner or later.

Holy monkeys! Read the bold again as it obviously went over your head.

They’re just ‘sour grapes’ in your wine cellar. You hear nothing yet from God.

I once again hear and acknowledge your self indoctrinating claim. Can you show that you speak the truth though?

Wait for this to come to pass in your life. If you come to God in the right way, He will be the one to reward you with the salvation of your soul. Proving this to be true is not my job, but God alone.

[Clownboat]

Bingo! And you cannot show that you speak the truth on this matter.

Whoahhh!!! I’ve shown you direct utterance from the Living God,

And you cannot show that you speak the truth on this matter. How can I know you are not a deceived liar, coming like a thief in the night?

Then prove to me ‘God doesn’t exist,’ as you continuously quote in most of your posts.

You're silly! One of the available god concepts could exist. Can you provide a way to detect one of them?

What evidence do you have to prove God has no control over your life?

The lack of any god concept controlling my life obviously!

I acknowledge these claims you make. Can you show that you speak the truth?

Uuhhhuh!!! The narratives are direct utterances from God, and the proof of the pudding, in this context, is in the ‘crossing of the Great Divide’ if you continue to ignore God. If not, the proof of the pudding, again in this context, is in living and supping with God while we are still here on the big rock where we live.

What an odd way to admit you can't show that you speak the truth.

Your claims are getting weirder and weirder.

Not until you cross the Great Divide!

Your claims are getting weirder and weirder.

If a god doesn't exist, it cannot make itself known and therefore cannot offer revelations. I'm not aware of any real god concepts though, so this is all moot.

I tell you, ‘Not until you cross the Great Divide!’

Please show the class this Great Divide you harp on about.

If God did’n’t exist, there would be nothing at all.

This statement is false and devoid of logic.

Unfortunately, all you have is your ‘sour grapes’ and ‘outright rejection’ to debunk the reality of the existence of God.

I'm sorry, but where did you show this reality and why has the rest of the world not caught on to it?

Worse and paradoxical, God has been talking to you all the days of your life until now [in a manner you’re not privy to and as a trial to test your heart], yet you continuously claim God does not exist.

I make no such claim. Why are you so wrong all the time?

It's as if you are unable to follow along... What utterances are you referring to?

Follow along, where to your outright rejection and ‘sour grapes’ when God didn’t respond to your call?

Thank you for finally acknowledging the lack of response!

We firmly believe God continues to communicate with mankind across generations, because He spoke with us for about 14 years.

I acknowledge that you believe a god spoke to you and that you are unable to show that you speak the truth about it. You share the same fate as the Muslim in this regard.

You are expecting quality-wise postings [from me] that will convince you to believe God exists because I say God communicated with us, aren’t you? Don’t you know that God does not give in to the desires of the hearts of those who do not have faith in Him? A hardened heart instead would be your prize for continuing to believe that God does not exist, as you claimed.

If you communed with a God, it could assist you in debate. It doesn't appear that any god concept is involved in your debating here, therefore I can't believe your claim.

Let's grant this for debate. Now please show that the premise is actually true and not just a form of self indoctrination.

I told you God spoke with us starting in 2001, and He uttered to us these narratives that describe who He is, saying:

“"All of you who are listening, listen carefully! I am your Lord God. Who are you afraid of? I am the Almighty. Who are you intimidated by? Remember, when I am by your side, you have nothing to fear, nothing to worry about, because I will save you from any calamity if you trust in Me and regard Me as your salvation and eternal life. As your Lord, whom you alone will worship and none other, I am the one true God existing in heaven, earth, or universe. I created all things, I gave you life. Where will you go? If not to Me, you have nowhere else to go.”

You want me to believe that he told you all of this, but won't help you to debate? That's a large pill to swallow. What makes more would be that no god spoke to you nor speaks to you now. Surely you agree with that?

This utterance that we heard and learned from God testifies that He (God) never stops communicating with mankind across all generations. How will you now refute these things He uttered, knowing you’re not higher than God? You can’t just say this is anecdotal; you have to prove it to warrant your accusation, which is without basis.

I can in fact say that it is anecdotal. Do you know why? Because it is anecdotal!

Yours is just an outright rejection on the premise that God never stops communicating with mankind across all generations. You can’t refute or disprove because you have nothing to counteroffer to that premise.

A premise need not be countered. A premise either stands or it doesn't. Yours doesn't, because it is anecdotal.

You claim to speak with an all knowing god concept. If your claim was true, you would by definition have access to all knowledge said God is willing to share.

Didn’t I share with you utterances from God that we’ve heard and learned from Him? But you only counter it with an outright rejection, period.

Your reply once again fails to address what you quoted. I underlined it for you.

You’re an ex-evangelist who previously believed in God, weren’t you? Why use Santa Claus to hide the truth about your belief?

Santa Claus is an analogy, not in anyway a way to hide some truth about beliefs.

Free from the fire of hell means you’re heaven-bound, but if not, you’re hell-bound.

Your claims are getting weirder and weirder!
If your naughty, Santa won't bring you presents. You're probably as scared by that as I am about this hell bound talk.

No one can escape the ‘crossing of the Great Divide’ in due time.

By definition, if this great divide isn't real, everyone will escape it.

The tangible evidence for this one is ‘death,’ which will come to all of us in our time, sooner or later.

Death is evidence for death, not things in your imagination. If you disagree, you'll need to walk us all to how you arrived differently.