Women and the goddess complex

[vfr]

What is it with women and the goddess complex?

Do women have hard time connecting to religion with the monotheists concept of 'God the Father'?

Here are a few sites to give you some background.

http://blogs.camden.rutgers.edu/wpmu...eligion-class/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goddess_movement

http://www.womenpriests.org/classic/swidler3.asp

http://www.goddessariadne.org/whywom...thegoddess.htm

Warning: last site has sexually explicit material.

http://www.goddesstemple.com/

I've always been in favor of worshiping women. (Although have no interest in licking their boots and being whipped.)

I never could understand physical abuse towards women.

Sure I like to make women shake and quiver - but not from beating them.

If someone pisses me off that bad...then for the sake of inner peace...if it doesn't fit I must acquit.

I always thought that without women, life would be very, very, very hard to live.

They say that to be happy you need:

Something to do

Something to look forward to

Someone to love

Someone to love you

Women help fill the void for the love category of this equation.

Sexual cults are becoming more popular now where devotees (usually men) get dominated by women and the men take the abuse from 'the goddess.'

Guess it is nothing new, more of a modern twist on bondage.

But the idea of goddess and devotee used in such sexual relationships is more of a modern development. As the ancient goddesses were in the form of statues and not in the flesh.

What are your views on modern women and the goddess complex?
Take care,


V (Male)

Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
AA#2

[McCulloch]

Considering the different role women and men have biologically and socially, it makes more sense to me to use female as a metaphor for God than male.

[sledheavy]

lol, I try to get it, but as of now it's all beyond me. But cathar's right. It's social and biological roles.

Pro femanist teachers have even mentioned that holding doors open for the opposite sex is anti productive on gender relationships, and I tend to agree. These walls have to be broken down or subjected to really have a good, consistant relationship in my opinion.

The idea of god being a woman would seem more than likely. But I actually see in my own little mind more women being more faithful than men. There are reasons to that I won't point out, lol, but the hypothetical god does seem to construct some pro femanist ideals every once in a while.

[Goat]

lol, I try to get it, but as of now it's all beyond me. But cathar's right. It's social and biological roles.

Pro femanist teachers have even mentioned that holding doors open for the opposite sex is anti productive on gender relationships, and I tend to agree. These walls have to be broken down or subjected to really have a good, consistant relationship in my opinion.

The idea of god being a woman would seem more than likely. But I actually see in my own little mind more women being more faithful than men. There are reasons to that I won't point out, lol, but the hypothetical god does seem to construct some pro femanist ideals every once in a while.

When it comes to 'holding doors open', it is common curtesy. That should not be gender related at all.

[Fallibleone]

I agree, goat. I hold doors open for people all the time. You might get one or two women who complain that they're not disabled and that they can open a door for themselves, but I'm not one of them.

Oh, and I have heard it said that every woman is a feminist by default because women have their own wellbeing at heart, just like everybody else. I agree with this. A lot of people see the word 'feminist' and think bra-burning, man-hating harpy in sensible shoes. Not true at all.

[sledheavy]

lol, I try to get it, but as of now it's all beyond me. But cathar's right. It's social and biological roles.

Pro femanist teachers have even mentioned that holding doors open for the opposite sex is anti productive on gender relationships, and I tend to agree. These walls have to be broken down or subjected to really have a good, consistant relationship in my opinion.

The idea of god being a woman would seem more than likely. But I actually see in my own little mind more women being more faithful than men. There are reasons to that I won't point out, lol, but the hypothetical god does seem to construct some pro femanist ideals every once in a while.

When it comes to 'holding doors open', it is common curtesy. That should not be gender related at all.

if that is the idea, as it's been presented many times before, then when was the last time you had a woman hold a door open for you? That common courtesy seems rather one sided at times doesn't it?

that's the idea the teacher presents.

It's this archaic principle of courtship based on social norms and gender. It's molded into a more unequal quality where out of which grows an expectations from one gender over another. Nothing is solved in the gender argument if acts of this nature continue.

[sledheavy]

I agree, goat. I hold doors open for people all the time. You might get one or two women who complain that they're not disabled and that they can open a door for themselves, but I'm not one of them.

Oh, and I have heard it said that every woman is a feminist by default because women have their own wellbeing at heart, just like everybody else. I agree with this. A lot of people see the word 'feminist' and think bra-burning, man-hating harpy in sensible shoes. Not true at all.

Maybe you could explain that to me. About women being feminists by default based on wellbeing at heart.

You're right about the biases of feminism. Unfortunately it's just as credited based on the reactions of some feminists as it was the one's who've provoked it that are to blame. If any group wants respect, they have to be well aware of the actions the rest of the group presents, or the biases become even more powerful against them.

[Goat]

lol, I try to get it, but as of now it's all beyond me. But cathar's right. It's social and biological roles.

Pro femanist teachers have even mentioned that holding doors open for the opposite sex is anti productive on gender relationships, and I tend to agree. These walls have to be broken down or subjected to really have a good, consistant relationship in my opinion.

The idea of god being a woman would seem more than likely. But I actually see in my own little mind more women being more faithful than men. There are reasons to that I won't point out, lol, but the hypothetical god does seem to construct some pro femanist ideals every once in a while.

When it comes to 'holding doors open', it is common curtesy. That should not be gender related at all.

if that is the idea, as it's been presented many times before, then when was the last time you had a woman hold a door open for you? That common courtesy seems rather one sided at times doesn't it?

that's the idea the teacher presents.

It's this archaic principle of courtship based on social norms and gender. It's molded into a more unequal quality where out of which grows an expectations from one gender over another. Nothing is solved in the gender argument if acts of this nature continue.

As a matter of fact, I had a woman hold open a door from me just this morning. That happens all the time to me. I also have help open doors for women who have been pushing strollers, and older men who were physically disabled. The point??

[sledheavy]

lol, I try to get it, but as of now it's all beyond me. But cathar's right. It's social and biological roles.

Pro femanist teachers have even mentioned that holding doors open for the opposite sex is anti productive on gender relationships, and I tend to agree. These walls have to be broken down or subjected to really have a good, consistant relationship in my opinion.

The idea of god being a woman would seem more than likely. But I actually see in my own little mind more women being more faithful than men. There are reasons to that I won't point out, lol, but the hypothetical god does seem to construct some pro femanist ideals every once in a while.

When it comes to 'holding doors open', it is common curtesy. That should not be gender related at all.

if that is the idea, as it's been presented many times before, then when was the last time you had a woman hold a door open for you? That common courtesy seems rather one sided at times doesn't it?

that's the idea the teacher presents.

It's this archaic principle of courtship based on social norms and gender. It's molded into a more unequal quality where out of which grows an expectations from one gender over another. Nothing is solved in the gender argument if acts of this nature continue.

As a matter of fact, I had a woman hold open a door from me just this morning. That happens all the time to me. I also have help open doors for women who have been pushing strollers, and older men who were physically disabled. The point??

As I said before, 'it's this archaic principle of courtship based on social norms and gender.' Imagine you're on a date, where this is expected. Someone develops an expectation that the door is supposed to be opened for them.

Look at what happens socially inside bars, or anywhere! Women have the expectation that the guys come to them. Guys put forth the effort, and half the time they're denied. She doesn't want to be bothered, but the other half the time she expects guys to come to her.

Well if they don't like what's coming their way, why not actually go looking? Why not buy a guy a drink at the bar, instead of expecting a guy to buy them a drink?? It's just the same social principles. And it works just as well in reverse.

It sounds like a rant, I know I'm pretty close, but it's all about these details that go overlooked between genders. If these problems are understood, that's a step in solving the problems between the two.

But it's a stereotype of the goddess principle I'm COMPLETELY against. The mentality that so many marketing ads present, that 'this product will make you feel beautiful and appreciated', 'or that this product will make men see you're expectations', when that's just such crap.

What's even more funny is asking either gender what they expect out of a suitable mate. It will probably never be fulfilled.

It's that whole, teach someone to fish mentality. Holding doors open to people out of kindness, sure, I agree with that. I won't even say that you holding doors open for people is wrong, because if we do it blindly it's a wonderful gesture.

But out of social expectation, and especially in the name of courtship? Come on, that should be long dead.

[Fallibleone]

I agree, goat. I hold doors open for people all the time. You might get one or two women who complain that they're not disabled and that they can open a door for themselves, but I'm not one of them.

Oh, and I have heard it said that every woman is a feminist by default because women have their own wellbeing at heart, just like everybody else. I agree with this. A lot of people see the word 'feminist' and think bra-burning, man-hating harpy in sensible shoes. Not true at all.

Maybe you could explain that to me. About women being feminists by default based on wellbeing at heart.

You're right about the biases of feminism. Unfortunately it's just as credited based on the reactions of some feminists as it was the one's who've provoked it that are to blame. If any group wants respect, they have to be well aware of the actions the rest of the group presents, or the biases become even more powerful against them.

Certainly, I'll explain. A common definition of Feminism is that it is the pursuit of equal rights for women. I personally do not believe that many women would argue that they should not have equal rights with men, because it is not in the interest of women to deny themselves equality. Therefore if you are a woman and you care about your own wellbeing and rights, you are a feminist.

I am not sure that I understand the second part of your post. This is what I understand you to mean - radical feminists give women in general a bad name by the way they react to criticism. It also seems as though you are saying that women as a group need to earn respect before they are given any. Please let me know if I have understood you or otherwise, and then I will respond.

As for the question of women holding doors open for men - I do it regularly. I hold open doors for men and women alike, because I wish to be courteous to my fellow human beings. Women often pay for drinks and meals on dates these days, I've heard.