Did the Father have the power to raise or elevate his Son Jesus to the same rank as himself? Let us call the highest rank in heaven "the rank of God."
Hebrews 1:8, The Father said of his Son Jesus, "Your throne, O God, is for ever and ever: A sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of your kingdom." Verse 9, "Therefore God, even your God, has anointed you with the oil of Gladness above thy fellows." Verse 10, "And thou LORD (the Father calling his Son Jehovah), in the beginning has laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the works of your hands."
And is there the same degree of likeness, similarity, and dignity between the Father and Son? If so, then the Son can be called God because it's the Father's prerogative. And if it is the Father's privilege, who are we to deny it?
Equality between the Father and Son
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Re: Equality between the Father and Son
Post #131[Replying to Capbook in post #130]
To the earth where we live.Per your interpretation, may we know the answers of the following questions;
1. To where was Jesus sent?
The Father is always everywhere and in all places, both material and spiritual world.2. And where was the Almighty God when He sent Jesus?
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Re: Equality between the Father and Son
Post #132At that very time that the Father sent Jesus to earth where was the specific location of the Father?OneJack wrote: ↑Sat Aug 16, 2025 3:17 am [Replying to Capbook in post #130]
To the earth where we live.Per your interpretation, may we know the answers of the following questions;
1. To where was Jesus sent?
The Father is always everywhere and in all places, both material and spiritual world.2. And where was the Almighty God when He sent Jesus?
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Re: Equality between the Father and Son
Post #133[Replying to Capbook in post #132]
The Father occupies all spaces, your question is only applicable to finite beings like us.At that very time that the Father sent Jesus to earth where was the specific location of the Father?
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Re: Equality between the Father and Son
Post #134To all respondents,
I find it interesting to say the least to observe that no one is willing to disagree with the following:
The Father and the Son are certainly one in doctrine, unity and purpose. We could all make and present ideas ad infinitum with un-numbered private interpretation.
It is obvious that the Son has brought glory to his Father before he condescended to minister among man in the flesh.
It is also obvious that he brought further glory to the Father while in the flesh.
It is also obvious that he received glory from the Father prior to his mission in the flesh.
It is also obvious that he has also received more glory after his resurrection.
It is also obvious that he sought to do all the will of the Father before his mortal birth.
It is also self evident that he in his youth as a young boy, that he also sought to obey and be about his Fathers business assigned to him.
It is also obvious that he sought to do the will of the Father in his adult mission.
It is also obvious that no mortal man could teach him anything regarding the ATONEMENT.
It is also obvious that according to the four gospels that God our eternal Father did no send an angel to counsel and teach him details regarding the magnitude of what he would suffer in this process.
It should be observed that the angel referred to was none other than the Most High even God his Father for he alone was the only one with the capacity to have empathy and full understanding regarding the infinite agony which his dear Son was also about to experience for he himself had at some time eons of time ago what his dear Son was about to experience in Gesthemane.
It is obvious that in this sacred and solemn defining moment before his infinite and eternal atoning sacrifice that the one and only person he communed with was the most high God, his and our Father in heaven.
Perhaps the most clear and powerful testimony and witness regarding his position with his Father comes in his own most powerful declaration that "I of my self can do nothing, for I only do the works that I have seen my FATHER DO"
If anyone can prove from the scriptures otherwise then let's hear your response on ALL of the above listed points.
I find it interesting to say the least to observe that no one is willing to disagree with the following:
The Father and the Son are certainly one in doctrine, unity and purpose. We could all make and present ideas ad infinitum with un-numbered private interpretation.
It is obvious that the Son has brought glory to his Father before he condescended to minister among man in the flesh.
It is also obvious that he brought further glory to the Father while in the flesh.
It is also obvious that he received glory from the Father prior to his mission in the flesh.
It is also obvious that he has also received more glory after his resurrection.
It is also obvious that he sought to do all the will of the Father before his mortal birth.
It is also self evident that he in his youth as a young boy, that he also sought to obey and be about his Fathers business assigned to him.
It is also obvious that he sought to do the will of the Father in his adult mission.
It is also obvious that no mortal man could teach him anything regarding the ATONEMENT.
It is also obvious that according to the four gospels that God our eternal Father did no send an angel to counsel and teach him details regarding the magnitude of what he would suffer in this process.
It should be observed that the angel referred to was none other than the Most High even God his Father for he alone was the only one with the capacity to have empathy and full understanding regarding the infinite agony which his dear Son was also about to experience for he himself had at some time eons of time ago what his dear Son was about to experience in Gesthemane.
It is obvious that in this sacred and solemn defining moment before his infinite and eternal atoning sacrifice that the one and only person he communed with was the most high God, his and our Father in heaven.
Perhaps the most clear and powerful testimony and witness regarding his position with his Father comes in his own most powerful declaration that "I of my self can do nothing, for I only do the works that I have seen my FATHER DO"
If anyone can prove from the scriptures otherwise then let's hear your response on ALL of the above listed points.
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Re: Equality between the Father and Son
Post #135[Replying to Revelations won in post #134]
1. performed miracle at the wedding in Canaan.
2. healed the bed stricken man at the patio of the temple,
3. raised Lazarus from the dead,
4. taught the apostles and disciples the things of God, and so on.
Note:
This is what I believe about the Lord God, the Holy Spirit, and the Son of God.
1.The Son of God - the son who was born of Mary, a human son like us (Luke 1:35).
2. Jesus - one of the seven names of God given to the Son (Matt 1:21; Isa 7:14; 9:6).
3. Jesus Christ - the name of the Father that the Son of God proclaimed to the Jews (John 17:3).
4. The Father - The Almighty God (John 17:1-3).
5. The Holy Spirit - one of the many Spirit beings created by the Almighty God.
The Son was the physical vessel of the Father [whose name is Jesus Christ according to the declaration of the Son to the Jews (John 17:3)] in coming in flesh, and the Spirit and Life that was in the Son was the Father (John 14:10-11). Therefore, it was always the Jesus Christ, through the Son, whoThe Father and the Son are certainly one in doctrine, unity and purpose. We could all make and present ideas ad infinitum with un-numbered private interpretation.
1. performed miracle at the wedding in Canaan.
2. healed the bed stricken man at the patio of the temple,
3. raised Lazarus from the dead,
4. taught the apostles and disciples the things of God, and so on.
Note:
This is what I believe about the Lord God, the Holy Spirit, and the Son of God.
1.The Son of God - the son who was born of Mary, a human son like us (Luke 1:35).
2. Jesus - one of the seven names of God given to the Son (Matt 1:21; Isa 7:14; 9:6).
3. Jesus Christ - the name of the Father that the Son of God proclaimed to the Jews (John 17:3).
4. The Father - The Almighty God (John 17:1-3).
5. The Holy Spirit - one of the many Spirit beings created by the Almighty God.
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Re: Equality between the Father and Son
Post #136Yes, the Father is omnipresence but it will understood that as He is Jesus Christ, He was also sent. Do that mean He sent Himself?OneJack wrote: ↑Sat Aug 16, 2025 8:53 am [Replying to Capbook in post #132]
The Father occupies all spaces, your question is only applicable to finite beings like us.At that very time that the Father sent Jesus to earth where was the specific location of the Father?
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Re: Equality between the Father and Son
Post #137[Replying to Capbook in post #136]
Yes, the Father sent himself by and through the Son.Yes, the Father is omnipresence but it will understood that as He is Jesus Christ, He was also sent. Do that mean He sent Himself?
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Re: Equality between the Father and Son
Post #138That would follow that the Father prayed to Himself?(Jon 17:1)OneJack wrote: ↑Wed Aug 20, 2025 9:59 am [Replying to Capbook in post #136]
Yes, the Father sent himself by and through the Son.Yes, the Father is omnipresence but it will understood that as He is Jesus Christ, He was also sent. Do that mean He sent Himself?
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Re: Equality between the Father and Son
Post #139[Replying to Capbook in post #138]
Who would be able to know that seeing the man-named Jesus was praying to God?
That would follow that the Father prayed to Himself?(Jon 17:1)
Who would be able to know that seeing the man-named Jesus was praying to God?
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Re: Equality between the Father and Son
Post #140Do you mean that Jesus is not the Christ?OneJack wrote: ↑Thu Aug 21, 2025 11:18 pm [Replying to Capbook in post #138]
That would follow that the Father prayed to Himself?(Jon 17:1)
Who would be able to know that seeing the man-named Jesus was praying to God?
The speaker is Jesus from verse 1 to verse 5, Whom Jesus said "Father glorify Me together with Yourself." Can one person be together with Himself?
And why Jesus as the name of the fleshly "Son of God", was with the Father with glory before the world existed?
Joh 17:5 And now You, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world existed.
