Who created all things?

[servant1]

Isaiah 44:24- This is what Jehovah has said, your repurchaser and the former of you from the belly. I Jehovah am doing everything, stretching out the heavens by myself, laying out the Earth. Who was with me?

Myself= the only power source and designer. How do we know this-Because Jesus was involved as well-How?
Gen 1:26--Let US make man in our image-US = more than 1 being--Gen 1:27-HE( 1 being) created--Prov 8:27-28- HE( 1being) created.
So what does US mean then?= Us = Jehovah and his master worker( Prov 8:30)= the one beside God during creation, the one whom God grew especially fond of= his son.
Jesus= The firstborn of all creation--All creation occurred at the beginning--PROOF=Prov 8:22 Possessed me as the beginning of your way( creating). The Hebrew word used for possessed means-created. Thus created direct, first and last, all other things created-THROUGH( John 1:3, Col 1:160) Through = another did the creating).= Jehovah.-)--- things created through Gods master worker. The word only begotten son means monogenes=unique=created direct first and last.
Most religions teach untruth on this matter, but i have presented bible facts on it.
Do you believe the evidence?

[Capbook]

[Replying to Capbook in post #30]


100% fact=At John 17:3 Jesus calls the one who sent him=THE ONLY TRUE GOD. The father sent Jesus. Thus if one does not know the Father as that= they do not know the Father= will not get eternal life.

You don't have to be Catholic, all protestant translations( NT) were done out of Catholicism translating.

Wrong interpretation. Does your paraphrase translation does not have an "and" in John 17:3. See the text below.
Wrong assumption that I am a Catholic.
I believe you are not aware of many manuscripts translated Bibles by highly credentialed scholars that aims to maintain highest degree of accuracy to the original languages. Paraphrase translations where JWs relied heavily changed Bible words that cannot be look upon through Bible lexicons, that could misled us.

Jhn 17:3 “And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.

Yup, speaks of two individuals. The first one is the only true God. The second one is the Messiah that was sent by the true God.

Good, eternal life is to know both, the Father and Jesus. But about Jesus, Arians made to add and change the Bible words just to align it with their beliefs.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to Capbook in post #30]


100% fact=At John 17:3 Jesus calls the one who sent him=THE ONLY TRUE GOD. The father sent Jesus. Thus if one does not know the Father as that= they do not know the Father= will not get eternal life.

You don't have to be Catholic, all protestant translations( NT) were done out of Catholicism translating.

Wrong interpretation. Does your paraphrase translation does not have an "and" in John 17:3. See the text below.
Wrong assumption that I am a Catholic.
I believe you are not aware of many manuscripts translated Bibles by highly credentialed scholars that aims to maintain highest degree of accuracy to the original languages. Paraphrase translations where JWs relied heavily changed Bible words that cannot be look upon through Bible lexicons, that could misled us.

Jhn 17:3 “And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.

Yup, speaks of two individuals. The first one is the only true God. The second one is the Messiah that was sent by the true God.

Good, eternal life is to know both, the Father and Jesus. But about Jesus, Arians made to add and change the Bible words just to align it with their beliefs.

How do we do that? All Bibles have the same wordings for John 17:3, do they not? You said you like the NASB. Its wording and meaning is the same as the NWT, is it not?

[Capbook]

[Replying to Capbook in post #30]


100% fact=At John 17:3 Jesus calls the one who sent him=THE ONLY TRUE GOD. The father sent Jesus. Thus if one does not know the Father as that= they do not know the Father= will not get eternal life.

You don't have to be Catholic, all protestant translations( NT) were done out of Catholicism translating.

Wrong interpretation. Does your paraphrase translation does not have an "and" in John 17:3. See the text below.
Wrong assumption that I am a Catholic.
I believe you are not aware of many manuscripts translated Bibles by highly credentialed scholars that aims to maintain highest degree of accuracy to the original languages. Paraphrase translations where JWs relied heavily changed Bible words that cannot be look upon through Bible lexicons, that could misled us.

Jhn 17:3 “And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.

Yup, speaks of two individuals. The first one is the only true God. The second one is the Messiah that was sent by the true God.

Good, eternal life is to know both, the Father and Jesus. But about Jesus, Arians made to add and change the Bible words just to align it with their beliefs.

How do we do that? All Bibles have the same wordings for John 17:3, do they not? You said you like the NASB. Its wording and meaning is the same as the NWT, is it not?

Good, as I'm not familiar with NWT. So, do you believe now that the the verse is not a comparison between the Father and Jesus but to know them both, as eternal life is involved?

[onewithhim]

Wrong interpretation. Does your paraphrase translation does not have an "and" in John 17:3. See the text below.
Wrong assumption that I am a Catholic.
I believe you are not aware of many manuscripts translated Bibles by highly credentialed scholars that aims to maintain highest degree of accuracy to the original languages. Paraphrase translations where JWs relied heavily changed Bible words that cannot be look upon through Bible lexicons, that could misled us.

Jhn 17:3 “And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.

Yup, speaks of two individuals. The first one is the only true God. The second one is the Messiah that was sent by the true God.

Good, eternal life is to know both, the Father and Jesus. But about Jesus, Arians made to add and change the Bible words just to align it with their beliefs.

How do we do that? All Bibles have the same wordings for John 17:3, do they not? You said you like the NASB. Its wording and meaning is the same as the NWT, is it not?

Good, as I'm not familiar with NWT. So, do you believe now that the the verse is not a comparison between the Father and Jesus but to know them both, as eternal life is involved?

I never looked at that verse as purporting to be a comparison between the Father and Jesus. We must know them both to gain eternal life. Do you know the Father?

Also, you say that you aren't familiar with the New World Translation. Then how can you castigate something that you haven't read? You come down with both feet, so to say, on the NWT as a lousy translation, and yet you aren't familiar with it!

[Capbook]

Yup, speaks of two individuals. The first one is the only true God. The second one is the Messiah that was sent by the true God.

Good, eternal life is to know both, the Father and Jesus. But about Jesus, Arians made to add and change the Bible words just to align it with their beliefs.

How do we do that? All Bibles have the same wordings for John 17:3, do they not? You said you like the NASB. Its wording and meaning is the same as the NWT, is it not?

Good, as I'm not familiar with NWT. So, do you believe now that the the verse is not a comparison between the Father and Jesus but to know them both, as eternal life is involved?

I never looked at that verse as purporting to be a comparison between the Father and Jesus. We must know them both to gain eternal life. Do you know the Father?

Also, you say that you aren't familiar with the New World Translation. Then how can you castigate something that you haven't read? You come down with both feet, so to say, on the NWT as a lousy translation, and yet you aren't familiar with it!

Yes, I am trying to devout my time to literal word for word Bible translations than any paraphrase translations specially the NWT that adds and change original Bible words specially that affects the true message of the text. Ex. John 1:1c, Col 1:16 and etc.

Paraphrase or thought for thought translations I believe of great tendency to derived from the translators thoughts rather than from original Bible words.

[FruitoftheSpirit]

Isaiah 44:24- This is what Jehovah has said, your repurchaser and the former of you from the belly. I Jehovah am doing everything, stretching out the heavens by myself, laying out the Earth. Who was with me?

Myself= the only power source and designer. How do we know this-Because Jesus was involved as well-How?
Gen 1:26--Let US make man in our image-US = more than 1 being--Gen 1:27-HE( 1 being) created--Prov 8:27-28- HE( 1being) created.
So what does US mean then?= Us = Jehovah and his master worker( Prov 8:30)= the one beside God during creation, the one whom God grew especially fond of= his son.
Jesus= The firstborn of all creation--All creation occurred at the beginning--PROOF=Prov 8:22 Possessed me as the beginning of your way( creating). The Hebrew word used for possessed means-created. Thus created direct, first and last, all other things created-THROUGH( John 1:3, Col 1:160) Through = another did the creating).= Jehovah.-)--- things created through Gods master worker. The word only begotten son means monogenes=unique=created direct first and last.
Most religions teach untruth on this matter, but i have presented bible facts on it.
Do you believe the evidence?

Our Heavenly Father YHVH created all things.

Proverbs 8 is speaking of Wisdom, not the Son.
12 I wisdom dwell with prudence, and find out knowledge of witty inventions. 13 The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate. 14 Counsel is mine, and sound wisdom: I am understanding; I have strength. 15 By me kings reign, and princes decree justice. 16 By me princes rule, and nobles, even all the judges of the earth. 17 I love them that love me; and those that seek me early shall find me. 18 Riches and honour are with me; yea, durable riches and righteousness. 19 My fruit is better than gold, yea, than fine gold; and my revenue than choice silver. 20 I lead in the way of righteousness, in the midst of the paths of judgment: 21 That I may cause those that love me to inherit substance; and I will fill their treasures. 22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. 23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. 24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water. 25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth: 26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world. 27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth

YHVH, He exists with Powers and it was He and the Powers of His Spirit including Wisdom that was with Him when He created all things.

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

As Isaiah indeed tells us, YHVH is ONE and He created all things ALONE, BY HIMSELF.

Colossians 1 is not speaking of two beginnings and two separate instances of Jesus being a firstborn, the context makes it clear it is speaking only of the beginning where people are resurrected into the kingdom of the Father's dear Son. Jesus as firstborn from the dead is indeed a firstborn overall of creation, the creation that comes forth through reconciliation. This beginning, this creation was planned by our Heavenly Father YHVH before the world began. The Father had made all things BY REASON OF and FOR this Son, the firstborn of many brethren, where without him YHVH our Heavenly Father wouldn't have made anything at all.

Colossians 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: 14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: 15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. 19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; 20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

1 Chronicles 17:11 And it shall come to pass, when thy days be expired that thou must go to be with thy fathers, that I will raise up thy seed after thee, which shall be of thy sons; and I will establish his kingdom. 12 He shall build me an house, and I will stablish his throne for ever. 13 I will be his father, and he shall be my son: and I will not take my mercy away from him, as I took it from him that was before thee: 14 But I will settle him in mine house and in my kingdom for ever: and his throne shall be established for evermore.

First you have a son of David and THEN YHVH becomes a Father to him, the Son didn't exist yet other than in YHVH's word of course.

much, much more to say, but I will leave it at this for now.

[servant1]

Isaiah 44:24- This is what Jehovah has said, your repurchaser and the former of you from the belly. I Jehovah am doing everything, stretching out the heavens by myself, laying out the Earth. Who was with me?

Myself= the only power source and designer. How do we know this-Because Jesus was involved as well-How?
Gen 1:26--Let US make man in our image-US = more than 1 being--Gen 1:27-HE( 1 being) created--Prov 8:27-28- HE( 1being) created.
So what does US mean then?= Us = Jehovah and his master worker( Prov 8:30)= the one beside God during creation, the one whom God grew especially fond of= his son.
Jesus= The firstborn of all creation--All creation occurred at the beginning--PROOF=Prov 8:22 Possessed me as the beginning of your way( creating). The Hebrew word used for possessed means-created. Thus created direct, first and last, all other things created-THROUGH( John 1:3, Col 1:160) Through = another did the creating).= Jehovah.-)--- things created through Gods master worker. The word only begotten son means monogenes=unique=created direct first and last.
Most religions teach untruth on this matter, but i have presented bible facts on it.
Do you believe the evidence?

Our Heavenly Father YHVH created all things.

Proverbs 8 is speaking of Wisdom, not the Son.
12 I wisdom dwell with prudence, and find out knowledge of witty inventions. 13 The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate. 14 Counsel is mine, and sound wisdom: I am understanding; I have strength. 15 By me kings reign, and princes decree justice. 16 By me princes rule, and nobles, even all the judges of the earth. 17 I love them that love me; and those that seek me early shall find me. 18 Riches and honour are with me; yea, durable riches and righteousness. 19 My fruit is better than gold, yea, than fine gold; and my revenue than choice silver. 20 I lead in the way of righteousness, in the midst of the paths of judgment: 21 That I may cause those that love me to inherit substance; and I will fill their treasures. 22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. 23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. 24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water. 25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth: 26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world. 27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth

YHVH, He exists with Powers and it was He and the Powers of His Spirit including Wisdom that was with Him when He created all things.

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

As Isaiah indeed tells us, YHVH is ONE and He created all things ALONE, BY HIMSELF.

Colossians 1 is not speaking of two beginnings and two separate instances of Jesus being a firstborn, the context makes it clear it is speaking only of the beginning where people are resurrected into the kingdom of the Father's dear Son. Jesus as firstborn from the dead is indeed a firstborn overall of creation, the creation that comes forth through reconciliation. This beginning, this creation was planned by our Heavenly Father YHVH before the world began. The Father had made all things BY REASON OF and FOR this Son, the firstborn of many brethren, where without him YHVH our Heavenly Father wouldn't have made anything at all.

Colossians 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: 14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: 15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. 19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; 20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

1 Chronicles 17:11 And it shall come to pass, when thy days be expired that thou must go to be with thy fathers, that I will raise up thy seed after thee, which shall be of thy sons; and I will establish his kingdom. 12 He shall build me an house, and I will stablish his throne for ever. 13 I will be his father, and he shall be my son: and I will not take my mercy away from him, as I took it from him that was before thee: 14 But I will settle him in mine house and in my kingdom for ever: and his throne shall be established for evermore.

First you have a son of David and THEN YHVH becomes a Father to him, the Son didn't exist yet other than in YHVH's word of course.

much, much more to say, but I will leave it at this for now.

Prov 8= wisdom personified--1Cor 1:30= Jesus became wisdom for us.--Prov 8:30=The one who was beside God during creation= Jesus--the one God grew especially fond of.

[FruitoftheSpirit]

John 17:1-5
17:1 These words spoke Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify Thy Son, that Thy Son also may glorify Thee:
17:2 As Thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give Eternal Life to as many as Thou hast given him.
17:3 And THIS is Life Eternal, that they might KNOW Thee the ONLY True God, AND Christ the Saviour, whom Thou hast sent.
17:4 I have glorified Thee on the Earth: I have finished the work which Thou gavest me to do.
17:5 And now, O Father, glorify Thou me with Thine Own self with the glory which I had with Thee BEFORE THE WORLD WAS.

No rationally-minded individual can read the above passage and not see that it is very clearly talking about TWO INDIVIDUALS:

Our Heavenly Father -- The One and ONLY True God -- Who gave His son power, the believing remnant, and SENT His Son (Christ) to Earth to finish the work that Father gave Christ to do; and

The Father's Son, known here on Earth as Christ, the Saviour -- the One and Only Mediator BETWEEN God and men -- whom Father sent.

Further yet, we KNOW that this TRUE Father-Son relationship, which antichrists deny (1 John 2:22), is exactly as all Father-Son relationships are: the Father comes before and is the progenitor of the Son; in this case through creation.

God (our heavenly Father) CREATED Christ. It was God's first act of creation. That is why, as Christ clearly stated, the Father is greater than ALL, including the Son (NOT equal to), and that the one who is sent is NOT greater than the one that sent him.

John 10:29 MY FATHER, which gave [them] me, IS GREATER THAN ALL; and no [man] is able to pluck [them] out of my Father's hand.

John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come [again] unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for MY FATHER IS GREATER THAN I.

John 13:16 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; NEITHER HE THAT IS SENT GREATER THAN HE THAT SENT HIM.

Anyone who believes in a "trinity" or that "Jesus is God" is very clearly a liar and antichrist according to Scripture:

1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

The TITLE "Christ" means "the one whom God anointed". God didn't anoint Himself, or divide Himself into three separate individuals, nor did He send Himself to Earth, nor does God pretend to be His own Son.

God REALLY created Christ.
God REALLY is Christ's Father/Creator.
God REALLY anointed Christ.
God REALLY sent Christ here to teach us, save us and to be our King, High-Priest/Mediator/Spiritual Connection to Him.
God REALLY appointed Christ to be His heir.
God REALLY gave Christ everything Christ has, including power, wisdom and the "Elect".
God REALLY is greater than all, including His Firstborn/First-created Son.

Christ REALLY is the Son OF God.
Christ REALLY was created by God.
Christ REALLY is the one whom God anointed (hence his title as The Messiah/Christ).
Christ REALLY was sent to teach us, save us and to be our King, and to be the one and only mediator between Him and mankind.
Christ REALLY was appointed to be God's heir to everything.
Christ REALLY was given everything, and would otherwise have nothing.
Christ REALLY did incarnate the Jesus 2000 years ago, becoming the human+Being Jesus+Christ.

I agree with you that the trinity is a lie but I disagree that the Son was the first to which God created and that this Son was later sent to earth.

He whom God sent was Jesus of Nazareth upon him having been anointed with God's Holy Spirit. All scripture that speaks of Jesus Christ having been sent are speaking to the anointed (Christ) man (Jesus) being sent out into the world. There is no sending of a son of God down from heaven to earth entering into Mary's womb.

Luke 4:17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,
18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

John 3:34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him. 35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.

There was no sending until the Spirit came to abode in Jesus of Nazareth.

The scriptures make it clear to me that Jesus is the son of David to whom YHVH promised He would become a Father to. Jesus was baptized, he was cleansed in the river Jordan and the Spirit came to live in him and remain upon him, aka he was born of the Spirit, aka he was born of God, aka he became God's only begotten Son, the only mortal man to have been begotten of God's Spirit without measure.

Here's the thing, Jesus becoming a Messiah, Jesus dying on the cross, Jesus being resurrected and receiving the promised Spirit fulfilling Psalms 2 '"on this day I have begotten thee", Jesus becoming the Son of Man exalted to God's right hand, all was our Father YHVH's word before the world began.

Isaiah 44 tells us that YHVH declared the End from the Beginning and that End is where one man fulfills all of YHVH's will.

The anointed man Jesus we read in John 17 asks our Heavenly Father for the glory that he had of God before the world was. That glory was in God's word before the world began, Jesus was asking for that glory. That glory is the Son of Man being resurrected and receiving the promised Spirit becoming a firstborn of many brethren. That glory is this man being exalted to God's right hand, not some spirit son going back to heaven.

Matthew 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Matthew 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:..34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.

Isaiah 11 is not yet fulfilled, Jesus is the son of Jesse to whom God's Spirit abodes in him where through that Spirit Jesus is able to be a righteous judge. His righteousness is through the Spirit that lives in him and those who are righteous have been born of God. We are to be made into the Son's image, the Son is to be a firstborn of many brethren and Paul in Romans 8 tells us that image, those who are led by the Spirit of God are the Sons of God.

Jesus said in John 3 that a man must be born of water and of the Spirit to enter into God's kingdom. Hmm, wasn't Jesus a man who ascended into heaven after he had been immersed in water and had the Spirit come to live in him? Does this not align with God's promise unto a son of David, to make him into His own Son and settle him into His House?

Jesus also said that we would be baptized with his same baptism and we would drink of the cup that he drinks of but to sit at his left or right in God's kingdom is the Father's decision. Paul says that we are to drink of the One Spirit and we know from Acts 2 that upon Jesus's resurrection he received the Promised Spirit and was exalted to God's right hand.

The man Jesus was in God's word from the beginning and God made all things BY as in BY REASON of him and FOR him, without him nothing would have been made that was made, for God had chosen him to be the savior of the world without this savior there would have been no purpose, without the firstborn of the dead there would have been no reason.

[FruitoftheSpirit]

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Prov 8= wisdom personified--1Cor 1:30= Jesus became wisdom for us.--Prov 8:30=The one who was beside God during creation= Jesus--the one God grew especially fond of.
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Yes wisdom is personified in Proverbs and wisdom is of God's Spirit.

30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption.

Jesus is the name of a man and he is called Christ because he was anointed of the Spirit at the river Jordan. That Spirit dwelling in him was a calling to righteousness and it fills him with wisdom, understanding, council and might.

Isaiah 11:1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: 2 And the Spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;

Isaiah 42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my Spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.
2 He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street.
3 A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth.
4 He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law.
5 Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:
6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;
7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.
8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.

Isaiah 61:1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; 2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn; 3 To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified.

Jesus is of the people, a son of Jesse and David, he is of those to whom our Creator gave the breath of life to and a spirit to walk therein. The Spirit was and is a witness to his spirit that he is a Son of God. His wisdom and his righteousness comes through the Creator's Spirit living in him.

[A Freeman]

John 17:1-5
17:1 These words spoke Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify Thy Son, that Thy Son also may glorify Thee:
17:2 As Thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give Eternal Life to as many as Thou hast given him.
17:3 And THIS is Life Eternal, that they might KNOW Thee the ONLY True God, AND Christ the Saviour, whom Thou hast sent.
17:4 I have glorified Thee on the Earth: I have finished the work which Thou gavest me to do.
17:5 And now, O Father, glorify Thou me with Thine Own self with the glory which I had with Thee BEFORE THE WORLD WAS.

No rationally-minded individual can read the above passage and not see that it is very clearly talking about TWO INDIVIDUALS:

Our Heavenly Father -- The One and ONLY True God -- Who gave His son power, the believing remnant, and SENT His Son (Christ) to Earth to finish the work that Father gave Christ to do; and

The Father's Son, known here on Earth as Christ, the Saviour -- the One and Only Mediator BETWEEN God and men -- whom Father sent.

Further yet, we KNOW that this TRUE Father-Son relationship, which antichrists deny (1 John 2:22), is exactly as all Father-Son relationships are: the Father comes before and is the progenitor of the Son; in this case through creation.

God (our heavenly Father) CREATED Christ. It was God's first act of creation. That is why, as Christ clearly stated, the Father is greater than ALL, including the Son (NOT equal to), and that the one who is sent is NOT greater than the one that sent him.

John 10:29 MY FATHER, which gave [them] me, IS GREATER THAN ALL; and no [man] is able to pluck [them] out of my Father's hand.

John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come [again] unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for MY FATHER IS GREATER THAN I.

John 13:16 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; NEITHER HE THAT IS SENT GREATER THAN HE THAT SENT HIM.

Anyone who believes in a "trinity" or that "Jesus is God" is very clearly a liar and antichrist according to Scripture:

1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

The TITLE "Christ" means "the one whom God anointed". God didn't anoint Himself, or divide Himself into three separate individuals, nor did He send Himself to Earth, nor does God pretend to be His own Son.

God REALLY created Christ.
God REALLY is Christ's Father/Creator.
God REALLY anointed Christ.
God REALLY sent Christ here to teach us, save us and to be our King, High-Priest/Mediator/Spiritual Connection to Him.
God REALLY appointed Christ to be His heir.
God REALLY gave Christ everything Christ has, including power, wisdom and the "Elect".
God REALLY is greater than all, including His Firstborn/First-created Son.

Christ REALLY is the Son OF God.
Christ REALLY was created by God.
Christ REALLY is the one whom God anointed (hence his title as The Messiah/Christ).
Christ REALLY was sent to teach us, save us and to be our King, and to be the one and only mediator between Him and mankind.
Christ REALLY was appointed to be God's heir to everything.
Christ REALLY was given everything, and would otherwise have nothing.
Christ REALLY did incarnate the Jesus 2000 years ago, becoming the human+Being Jesus+Christ.

I agree with you that the trinity is a lie

Good. Anyone believing in the "trinity" tradition is breaking the First and Most Important Commandment (Exod. 20:3-6; Mark 12:29-30).

but I disagree that the Son was the first to which God created and that this Son was later sent to earth.

Colossians 1:12-15
1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, Which hath made us meet to be sharers of the inheritance of the holy people in Light:
1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated [us] into The Kingdom of His dear Son:
1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, [even] the forgiveness of sins:
1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is NOT OF THIS WORLD: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

He whom God sent was Jesus of Nazareth upon him having been anointed with God's Holy Spirit.

Do you believe Nazareth is a place in heaven? Nazareth is very clearly a place here on Earth which, by the way, didn't exist until the 4th century A.D.

Jesus was the Nazarite (Numbers 6) that Christ (the Son of God) incarnated (John 1:14).

The Holy Spirit (our connection to Father) IS Christ.

The Holy Spirit

All scripture that speaks of Jesus Christ having been sent are speaking to the anointed (Christ) man (Jesus) being sent out into the world. There is no sending of a son of God down from heaven to earth entering into Mary's womb.

Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Spirit shall come upon thee, and the power of The Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that HOLY THING which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

References to Christ as the Son OF God (50+)

Matthew (9): 4:3, 4:6, 8:29, 14:33, 16:16, 26:63, 27:40, 27:43, 27:54

Mark (5): 1:1, 3:11, 5:7, 14:61, 15:39

Luke (7): 1:32, 1:35, 4:3, 4:9, 4:41, 8:28, 22:70

John (11): 1:34, 1:49, 3:18, 5:25, 6:69 9:35, 10:36, 11:4, 11:27, 19:7, 20:30

Acts (2): 8:37, 9:20

Books with single references (5): Galatians 2:20, 2 Corinthians 1:19, Romans 1:4, Ephesians 4:13, Revelation 2:18

Hebrews (4): 4:14, 6:6, 7:3, 10:29

1 John (7): 3:8, 4:15, 5:5, 5:10, 5:12, 5:13, 5:20

Also, three of the references to Christ being the literal Son of God refer to Him as the Son of THE Most High or THE Highest. Further, there are at least three more references made by Father to His Anointed (His Christ) as His Son.

Mark 5:7 And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, [thou] Son OF the Most High God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not.

Luke 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son OF the Highest: and THE LORD God his Father shall give unto him the Throne of David:

Luke 8:28 When he saw Jesus, he cried out, and fell down before him, and with a loud voice said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, [thou] Son of God most high? I beseech thee, torment me not.

And in Psalms, where Father (God, the Most High) refers His Anointed (His Christ) as His Son: Psalm 2:7, 2:12, Dan. 3:25.

Luke 4:17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,
18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

John 3:34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him. 35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.

Yes, Prince Michael/Christ, God's Eldest/Firstborn Son, IS the Holy Spirit/Mediator/High-Priest/Good Shepherd, i.e. our connection to Father (God).

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am The Way, the Truth, and the Life: NOT one man cometh unto the Father, EXCEPT by me.

There was no sending until the Spirit came to abode in Jesus of Nazareth.

Yes, when the immortal spiritual-Being Prince Michael/Christ incarnated (abode in) Jesus, the mortal human son of Mary, they became the human+Being known as Jesus+Christ.

The scriptures make it clear to me that Jesus is the son of David to whom YHVH promised He would become a Father to.

Jesus was descended from (a son of) David (Matt. 1:1-17).

God (YHWH or, in English, the "I AM"), Who is a SPIRITUAL-BEING (Num. 23:19; John 4:24) does NOT have human children. ALL of "the children of God" are likewise spiritual-Beings, aka angels, souls, jinns, Beings of Light, "gods" (Ps. 82:6), including Prince Michael/Christ.

Jesus was baptized, he was cleansed in the river Jordan and the Spirit came to live in him and remain upon him, aka he was born of the Spirit, aka he was born of God, aka he became God's only begotten Son, the only mortal man to have been begotten of God's Spirit without measure.

Prince Michael/Christ IS the Holy Spirit. The Spirit descending like a dove was yet another "sign" from heaven of this.

Here's the thing, Jesus becoming a Messiah,

Jesus didn't "become" the Messiah; the immortal spiritual-Being Prince Michael, Who IS The Messiah -- and has been since the beginning, when God created Prince Michael -- was placed inside of Jesus.

Jesus dying on the cross,

...As can only happen to a mortal human/flesh (Matt. 10:28)...

Jesus being resurrected and receiving the promised Spirit fulfilling Psalms 2 '"on this day I have begotten thee", Jesus becoming the Son of Man

...Jesus didn't "become" the Son of Man; Jesus WAS the Son of Man (son of a human - in this case the miracle son born of the virgin Mary), whom Christ incarnated (John 1:14), just as you are the spiritual-Being presently incarnating the human you see in the mirror.

Together, Christ incarnated inside of Jesus were the human+Being we refer to as Jesus+Christ.

exalted to God's right hand, all was our Father YHVH's word before the world began.

Heaven is a place reserved for the immortal spiritual-Being Prince Michael/Christ, God's Eldest/Firstborn Son, NOT for humans. There are no humans in heaven.

1 Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit The Kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

Isaiah 44 tells us that YHVH declared the End from the Beginning and that End is where one man fulfills all of YHVH's will.

One Spiritual-Being -- The One Whom God created FIRST and Anointed -- whether in or out of a human body, leading us to "the Promised Land" just as He did before.

Exodus 23:20-23
23:20 Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in The Way (ch. 18:20; Deut. 11:28; 31:29; John 14:6), and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared.
23:21 Beware of him, and obey his voice (Mark 9:7), provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for My name [is] in him.
23:22 But if thou shalt indeed obey his voice, and do all that I speak; then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies, and an adversary unto thine adversaries.
23:23 For Mine Angel shall go before thee, and bring thee in unto the Amorites, and the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Canaanites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites: and I will cut them off.

The Angel/Word of God that went before the Israelites, to keep them in The Way, was Prince Michael/Christ. The same Prince Michael/Christ (Archangel) that was with God BEFORE THE WORLD WAS. The same Prince Michael/Christ that incarnated the human body of Jesus 2000 years ago. The same Prince Michael/Christ Who is here NOW, in a new body (from Joseph-Ephraim - Gen. 49:10; Gen. 49:22-24), with a NEW NAME (Rev. 2:17; Rev. 3:12; Rev. 19:12), exactly as prophesied.

The anointed man Jesus we read in John 17 asks our Heavenly Father for the glory that he had of God before the world was.

God's Anointed One (The Messiah/Christ) speaking THROUGH the mouth of Jesus told us He was with God BEFORE THE WORLD WAS, just as He (The Messiah/Christ) spoke through the mouth of Melchizedek (whom He incarnated) to bless Abraham (Gen. 14:18-20).

The human Jesus was obviously born in this world, in Bethlehem, traveled in this world, and was crucified and resurrected in this world, in Jerusalem.

That glory was in God's word before the world began, Jesus was asking for that glory.

Again, Prince Michael (The Messiah/Christ) was asking for the glory that He had with Father, before the world was, i.e. before Father created the world through/by and for Prince Michael/Christ (Heb. 1:1-6).

That glory is the Son of Man being resurrected and receiving the promised Spirit becoming a firstborn of many brethren. That glory is this man being exalted to God's right hand, not some spirit son going back to heaven.

When someone believes in the LIE that they are "only human after all" (the same lie Lucifer/Satan/the devil and serpent told Eve in the Garden of Eden - Gen. 3:1-7), all they will ever see is man, man, man (created on the 6th day - 666).

A human can only see through human eyes, whereas an awakened and alert spiritual-Being can see through spiritual eyes and hear through spiritual ears, which no human has. That is why we have been told that the sleeping spiritual-Being/Soul inside MUST awaken, and be reborn as the true, spiritual-Being/Soul that we really are to even be able to see the Kingdom of God, much less enter it.

Ephesians 5:14 Wherefore He saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee Light.

John 3:3-7
3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born from above, he cannot SEE The Kingdom of God.
3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him (thinking like a human, instead of a spiritual-Being), How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water (human) and then is born (later) from above as his spirit-"Being" (his REAL self which is NOT human), he can NOT enter into The Kingdom of God (Who is a Spirit-"Being").
3:6 That which is born of the flesh is human; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit (a spirit-"Being") - (a human+Being).
3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

Only when someone is truly reborn, KNOWING that they are a spiritual-Being/(adopted) son of God, can they truly get to know God and Christ the Saviour, whom Father really did send to Earth, to be our Teacher, Saviour, Guide/Shepherd and King.

Matthew 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Which will only occur when Prince Michael/Christ sheds the body He is CURRENTLY using (from Joseph/Ephraim - Gen. 49:10; 22-24) during His Second Coming.

Matthew 24:27-29
24:27 For as the lightening cometh out of the East, and shineth even unto the West; so shall also the coming of the Son of Man be (Christ will enlighten the world during His Second Coming).
24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together (the only way there can be a carcase is if Christ is inside of a new body, with a new name, exactly as prophesied...and the "eagles" are the heavenly host - Exod. 19:4; Lam. 4:19; Rev. 12:7).
24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the "sun" be darkened (Ps. 89:34-36), and the "moon" shall not give her light, and the "stars" shall fall from heaven, and the "powers of the heavens" shall be shaken:

Matthew 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:..34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.

Also to happen during Christ's Second Coming (now), right before Judgement Day.

Isaiah 11 is not yet fulfilled, Jesus is the son of Jesse to whom God's Spirit abodes in him where through that Spirit Jesus is able to be a righteous judge. His righteousness is through the Spirit that lives in him and those who are righteous have been born of God. We are to be made into the Son's image, the Son is to be a firstborn of many brethren and Paul in Romans 8 tells us that image, those who are led by the Spirit of God are the Sons of God.

Of course those that are led by the Spirit of God (God's Holy Spirit - Christ) are the Sons of God (spiritual-Beings - reborn KNOWING that they are spiritual-Beings/Souls that are temporarily incarnated inside the human body they see in the mirror). Only a spiritual-Being can get to know and serve God. A human, with its carnal mind, is at enmity against God.

Romans 8:5-8
8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
8:6 For to be carnally minded [is] death; but to be spiritually minded [is] life and peace (John 3:5-6).
8:7 Because the carnal mind [is] enmity against God: for it is not subject to The Law of God, neither indeed can it be.
8:8 So then they that are in the ways of flesh cannot please God.

Mark 1:11 And there came a voice from heaven, [saying], Thou art my beloved Son (the spiritual-Being Prince Michael/Christ), in whom I am well pleased.

Jesus said in John 3 that a man must be born of water and of the Spirit to enter into God's kingdom.

Christ, through the mouth of Jesus, specifically stated that:

1) Except a man be born from above, he cannot SEE The Kingdom of God (John 3:3);
2) "Except a man be born of water (human) and THEN is born (later) from above as his spirit-"Being" (his REAL self which is NOT human), he can NOT enter into The Kingdom of God" (John 3:5);
3) That which is born of the flesh is flesh (human); and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit (a spiritual-Being) (John 3:6); and
4) Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye MUST be born AGAIN.

As long as someone believes they are flesh, or that God's Firstborn Son is flesh, they cannot see nor enter the Kingdom of God. There will be absolutely NO exceptions.

Hmm, wasn't Jesus a man who ascended into heaven after he had been immersed in water and had the Spirit come to live in him?

No. Flesh and blood CANNOT inherit the Kingdom of God. Only Spiritual-Beings can dwell with God, Who is a Spiritual-Being (John 4:24).

It is Prince Michael/Christ, who came down from heaven and incarnated the human son of Mary named Jesus, Who ascended into heaven, where He sits at the right hand of Father.

Does this not align with God's promise unto a son of David, to make him into His own Son and settle him into His House?

Not really. Carnally-minded humans think in human terms, and thus consider churches, synagogues, mosques, temples, etc. -- built by humans -- to be God's House. God does NOT dwell in such places, and neither does His Son.

Isaiah 66:1-2
66:1 Thus saith the "I AM", The heaven [is] My Throne, and the earth [is] My footstool: where [is] the House that ye build unto Me? and where [is] the place of My rest?
66:2 For all those [things] hath Mine hand made, and all those [things] have been, saith the "I AM": but to this [man] will I look, [even] to [him that is] poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at My Word.

Acts 7:48-53
7:48 Howbeit the Most High dwelleth NOT in temples made with (human) hands; as saith the prophet,
7:49 Heaven [is] My throne, and Earth [is] My footstool: what house will ye build Me? saith the Lord: or what [is] the place of My rest?
7:50 Hath not My hand made all these things?
7:51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Spirit: as your fathers [did], so [do] ye.
7:52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? And they have slain them which showed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:
7:53 Who have received The Law by the disposition of angels (spiritual-Beings), and have not kept [it].

The "House" that God built is SPIRITUAL: the soon to be reunited "House of Israel" (Ezek. 37:15-28).

Revelation 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are The Temple of it.

Jesus also said that we would be baptized with his same baptism

Baptized with the Holy Spirit, and with FIRE (NOT water, which puts out fire) - see: Matt. 3:11; Mark 1:8; Luke 3:16; John 1:33; John 4:1-2; Acts 1:5).

and we would drink of the cup that he drinks of but to sit at his left or right in God's kingdom is the Father's decision. Paul says that we are to drink of the One Spirit

1 Corinthians 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that went with them: and that Rock was Christ.

and we know from Acts 2 that upon Jesus's resurrection he received the Promised Spirit and was exalted to God's right hand.

Jesus received the Holy Spirit/Christ when Christ incarnated Jesus (when the Word became/incarnated flesh - John 1:14). Prince Michael/Christ has been the Holy Spirit since the beginning.

In The Beginning Was The Word

The man Jesus was in God's word from the beginning and God made all things BY as in BY REASON of him and FOR him, without him nothing would have been made that was made, for God had chosen him to be the savior of the world without this savior there would have been no purpose, without the firstborn of the dead there would have been no reason.

The man Jesus (the human son of the virgin Mary) was born in Bethlehem of Judaea, and therefore was obviously NOT around from the beginning. That's why we do not find any mention of Jesus in John 1:1-3.

The man Jesus (the human son of the virgin Mary) was descended from the line of king David, as recorded in Matthew 1:1-17, and therefore was obviously NOT around from the beginning.

God's Eldest/Firstborn Son, Prince Michael/Christ, has been with God SINCE THE BEGINNING and BEFORE THE WORLD WAS, as The Great Prince Michael was the beginning of the creation of God (Rev. 3:14).

The name "Jesus" is also a TITLE, just as "Messiah" (Hebrew) and "Christ" (English, from the Greek "Christos") are TITLES. The former (Jesus) means "YHWH Saves", usually expressed simply as "Saviour", while the latter (Christ) means "The One Whom God anointed", usually expressed simply as "The Anointed One".

That is why after the resurrection of Jesus and Christ's ascension into heaven, Prince Michael is known here on Earth as Christ the Saviour.

This is also why the importance of getting to know Father and His Eldest/Firstborn Son, Christ the Saviour, cannot be overstated.

John 17:3 And THIS is Life Eternal, that they might KNOW Thee the ONLY True God, and Christ the Saviour, whom Thou hast sent.