Equality between the Father and Son

[placebofactor]

Did the Father have the power to raise or elevate his Son Jesus to the same rank as himself? Let us call the highest rank in heaven "the rank of God."

Hebrews 1:8, The Father said of his Son Jesus, "Your throne, O God, is for ever and ever: A sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of your kingdom." Verse 9, "Therefore God, even your God, has anointed you with the oil of Gladness above thy fellows." Verse 10, "And thou LORD (the Father calling his Son Jehovah), in the beginning has laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the works of your hands."

And is there the same degree of likeness, similarity, and dignity between the Father and Son? If so, then the Son can be called God because it's the Father's prerogative. And if it is the Father's privilege, who are we to deny it?

[Capbook]

Is God ever called “unlikely” things in a figurative sense that are as equally “ridiculous” as calling him “a throne”?

That is not the rendering we were considering, though.

Um, did I say the king's throne IS God? I don't think I said that.

Sure did:

It makes the most sense (as we see also the sentiment in verse 9) and should really read, "Your throne is God forever." Meaning Jesus' throne is in direct correlation with the idea that he gets all of his power and authority from God, the Father.

That assertion was quoted in my last two replies as well, for context.

Of course the throne itself isn't God! The throne means that all of the Messiah's power comes from God, just like the power that the Beast has in Revelation comes from the Devil. Did you read the account? "And the dragon gave to the beast its power and its throne and great authority." (Rev.13:2b)

Because you won't prefer rendition of the word for word Bible translation of "Your throne, O God," you chose from paraphrase "Your throne is God forever" as Historia described it as an awkward and unusual expression. Plain reading would be the "throne is Deity."

[Capbook]

Is God ever called “unlikely” things in a figurative sense that are as equally “ridiculous” as calling him “a throne”?

That is not the rendering we were considering, though.

Um, did I say the king's throne IS God? I don't think I said that.

Sure did:

It makes the most sense (as we see also the sentiment in verse 9) and should really read, "Your throne is God forever." Meaning Jesus' throne is in direct correlation with the idea that he gets all of his power and authority from God, the Father.

That assertion was quoted in my last two replies as well, for context.

Of course the throne itself isn't God! The throne means that all of the Messiah's power comes from God, just like the power that the Beast has in Revelation comes from the Devil. Did you read the account? "And the dragon gave to the beast its power and its throne and great authority." (Rev.13:2b)

Because you won't prefer rendition of the word for word Bible translation of "Your throne, O God," you chose from paraphrase "Your throne is God forever" as Historia described it as an awkward and unusual expression. Plain reading would be the "throne is Deity."

[Revelations won]

To all respondents,


Where in all scripture Does it declare the Eqality of God the Father and his Son Jesus Christ?

I acknowledge that they are one in purpose, this however in no way makes them equal.

This fact is well established by Christ Himself.

[historia]

Um, did I say the king's throne IS God? I don't think I said that.

Sure did:

It makes the most sense (as we see also the sentiment in verse 9) and should really read, "Your throne is God forever." Meaning Jesus' throne is in direct correlation with the idea that he gets all of his power and authority from God, the Father.

Of course the throne itself isn't God! The throne means that all of the Messiah's power comes from God

Again, if the author of Hebrews wanted to say (or thought Psalm 45 said) that the Messiah's throne -- his power and authority -- comes "from God," surely he would have just written that.

Consider, by way of comparison, Romans 13:1, where Paul says all authority comes "from God" (hupo theou). In Greek, if you want to say something comes "from God," then you would likely say apo theou, or ek theou, or even hupo theou, as Paul did.

That's decidedly not what the author of Hebrews writes at 1:8, however. He wrote ho theos. We would normally translate that, in a context like this, as "O God."

just like the power that the Beast has in Revelation comes from the Devil. Did you read the account?

You seem confused. The issue here is not whether the concept you are describing makes sense or not. The issue is that the text at Heb. 1:8 doesn't say what you want it to say.

[Bible_Student]

... If what the Psalmist wanted to say here was that the king's throne, or power, comes from God, surely he would have just said that instead.

Kindly take a moment to reflect on what I just quote from your post. I doubt the psalmist requires your guidance to convey his message in a divinely inspired manner.

It seems you may not fully appreciate that Scripture possesses its own personality. Instead of imposing your interpretation, strive to comprehend its essence. This error is prevalent among contemporary "biblical scholars", that they evaluate its content against their own standards of how it might have been expressed more effectively in their own view.

2 Cor. 10:12 For we do not dare to class ourselves or compare ourselves with some who recommend themselves. But when they measure themselves by themselves and compare themselves with themselves, they are without understanding.

[Capbook]

To all respondents,


Where in all scripture Does it declare the Eqality of God the Father and his Son Jesus Christ?

I acknowledge that they are one in purpose, this however in no way makes them equal.

This fact is well established by Christ Himself.

Jesus had said that all the Father had are mine.(John 16:15) To me that sounds equality.

Also Jesus said, "I am the way the truth and the life", and "life" there to me means eternal life.
The Father also said, " that the life (eternal life) is in His Son. (1 John 5:11)
The question would be who had that eternal life in 1 John 5:20? Would we render the Father not telling the truth in the prior verse?