Men have imagined many myths, legends, idols, gods, goddesses, heroes, demons, angels, saints, sun gods, moon gods, the gods of the hills, and the thousands of gods of ancient Egypt, Assyria, Persia, Babylon, Greece, and Rome; if gathered together in one place their images would fill the Smithsonian or the Colosseum in Rome.
There are those on this forum that claim Jesus Christ is not the true God. If this is true, he must be a false god like all other gods mentioned above because there is only one true God. And if Jesus is only “a god” what is he the god of?
My Bible claims the true God or Jehovah as some prefer to call him is perfect in power, wisdom, and goodness and is to be worshipped by his faithful followers. The LORD is both the Creator and ruler of the universe; and in the Old Testament, he is called, “I Am, Elohim, or Jehovah.”
So, if Jesus Christ is only “a god,” he is not worthy of any Christian’s love, honor, or respect.
Some claim we can pay obeisance to Jesus, but we cannot worship him. If we can pay obeisance to Jesus who is only "a god," why would it be wrong to bow a knee to any man who claims to be God, or even Satan who is the prince of the power of the air?
What is "a god?"
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Re: What is "a god?"
Post #41God cannot have a God, or He wouldn't be God BY DEFINITION.
Here is Jesus crying out to His God and our God from the cross:
Matthew 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast Thou forsaken me? (Eno. 89:20; Psalm 22; Isaiah 52:13 to 54:1; Sura 4:157-8.)
Here is Jesus telling Mary Magdalene that He has the same Father and God that she (the spiritual-Being/soul within) has:
John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and [to] my God, and your God.
Here is Christ -- the immortal spiritual-Being and first-created Son of God -- no longer incarnated inside of the human body of Jesus, again speaking about His God.
Revelation 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in The Temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, [which is] New Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and [I will write upon him] my NEW name.
So we have it from Crown Prince Michael/Christ Himself, both inside the body of Jesus (before and after the resurrection) and out of the body of Jesus, that Christ (The One Whom God anointed) has the same God and heavenly Father as the rest of us.
Of course this makes perfect sense, as it is supported by hundreds if not thousands of verses saying exactly the same thing (that our God and heavenly Father is ONE All-Powerful, All-Knowing and Ever-Present Spiritual-Being that is Higher/Greater than EVERYONE (THE Most High), including Christ. No wonder Christ instructed everyone to pray ONLY to His Father and His God, just as Christ does.
And, to point out what should be obvious, the reason we don't find the claim "Jesus is God" or "God the Son", or "God is a 3=1 'trinity', etc. in the Bible IS BECAUSE THOSE CLAIMS ARE UNTRUE.
It is completely and totally illogical for someone to say "well, it doesn't say that Jesus isn't God either" (a negative), because there is no need to say anything other than our Father and our God is also Christ's Father and God, making them one and the same God. Would someone expect to find the negative phrases "God is not hate" or "Jesus was not the daughter of Mary", etc. ? Of course not. Saying and therefore knowing God IS Love, and that Jesus was the SON of Mary (not her daughter) should explain the situation perfectly and without ambiguity, to any rationally-minded individual.
The "relational subordination" of Christ to God is PERMANENT and it necessarily means -- as it says throughout Scripture -- that God is THE MOST HIGH meaning there is no one greater than or equal to God.
1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman [is] the man; and the head of Christ [is] God.
1 Corinthians 15:27-28
15:27 For He (God, our heavenly Father) hath put all things under his (Christ's) feet. But when He (God) saith all things are put under [him (Christ), it is] manifest that He (God) is excepted, which did put all things under him (Christ).
15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him (Christ), then shall the Son also himself be subject unto Him (God) that put all things under him (Christ), that God may be all in all.
Here is Jesus crying out to His God and our God from the cross:
Matthew 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast Thou forsaken me? (Eno. 89:20; Psalm 22; Isaiah 52:13 to 54:1; Sura 4:157-8.)
Here is Jesus telling Mary Magdalene that He has the same Father and God that she (the spiritual-Being/soul within) has:
John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and [to] my God, and your God.
Here is Christ -- the immortal spiritual-Being and first-created Son of God -- no longer incarnated inside of the human body of Jesus, again speaking about His God.
Revelation 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in The Temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, [which is] New Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and [I will write upon him] my NEW name.
So we have it from Crown Prince Michael/Christ Himself, both inside the body of Jesus (before and after the resurrection) and out of the body of Jesus, that Christ (The One Whom God anointed) has the same God and heavenly Father as the rest of us.
Of course this makes perfect sense, as it is supported by hundreds if not thousands of verses saying exactly the same thing (that our God and heavenly Father is ONE All-Powerful, All-Knowing and Ever-Present Spiritual-Being that is Higher/Greater than EVERYONE (THE Most High), including Christ. No wonder Christ instructed everyone to pray ONLY to His Father and His God, just as Christ does.
And, to point out what should be obvious, the reason we don't find the claim "Jesus is God" or "God the Son", or "God is a 3=1 'trinity', etc. in the Bible IS BECAUSE THOSE CLAIMS ARE UNTRUE.
It is completely and totally illogical for someone to say "well, it doesn't say that Jesus isn't God either" (a negative), because there is no need to say anything other than our Father and our God is also Christ's Father and God, making them one and the same God. Would someone expect to find the negative phrases "God is not hate" or "Jesus was not the daughter of Mary", etc. ? Of course not. Saying and therefore knowing God IS Love, and that Jesus was the SON of Mary (not her daughter) should explain the situation perfectly and without ambiguity, to any rationally-minded individual.
The "relational subordination" of Christ to God is PERMANENT and it necessarily means -- as it says throughout Scripture -- that God is THE MOST HIGH meaning there is no one greater than or equal to God.
1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman [is] the man; and the head of Christ [is] God.
1 Corinthians 15:27-28
15:27 For He (God, our heavenly Father) hath put all things under his (Christ's) feet. But when He (God) saith all things are put under [him (Christ), it is] manifest that He (God) is excepted, which did put all things under him (Christ).
15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him (Christ), then shall the Son also himself be subject unto Him (God) that put all things under him (Christ), that God may be all in all.
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Re: What is "a god?"
Post #42So, you will not believe the Father's own words in Heb 1:8-9? The Father called the Son "God", is to you the Father was wrong in those verses?A Freeman wrote: ↑Sun May 25, 2025 3:24 am God cannot have a God, or He wouldn't be God BY DEFINITION.
Here is Jesus crying out to His God and our God from the cross:
Matthew 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast Thou forsaken me? (Eno. 89:20; Psalm 22; Isaiah 52:13 to 54:1; Sura 4:157-8.)
Here is Jesus telling Mary Magdalene that He has the same Father and God that she (the spiritual-Being/soul within) has:
John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and [to] my God, and your God.
Here is Christ -- the immortal spiritual-Being and first-created Son of God -- no longer incarnated inside of the human body of Jesus, again speaking about His God.
Revelation 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in The Temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, [which is] New Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and [I will write upon him] my NEW name.
So we have it from Crown Prince Michael/Christ Himself, both inside the body of Jesus (before and after the resurrection) and out of the body of Jesus, that Christ (The One Whom God anointed) has the same God and heavenly Father as the rest of us.
Of course this makes perfect sense, as it is supported by hundreds if not thousands of verses saying exactly the same thing (that our God and heavenly Father is ONE All-Powerful, All-Knowing and Ever-Present Spiritual-Being that is Higher/Greater than EVERYONE (THE Most High), including Christ. No wonder Christ instructed everyone to pray ONLY to His Father and His God, just as Christ does.
And, to point out what should be obvious, the reason we don't find the claim "Jesus is God" or "God the Son", or "God is a 3=1 'trinity', etc. in the Bible IS BECAUSE THOSE CLAIMS ARE UNTRUE.
It is completely and totally illogical for someone to say "well, it doesn't say that Jesus isn't God either" (a negative), because there is no need to say anything other than our Father and our God is also Christ's Father and God, making them one and the same God. Would someone expect to find the negative phrases "God is not hate" or "Jesus was not the daughter of Mary", etc. ? Of course not. Saying and therefore knowing God IS Love, and that Jesus was the SON of Mary (not her daughter) should explain the situation perfectly and without ambiguity, to any rationally-minded individual.
The "relational subordination" of Christ to God is PERMANENT and it necessarily means -- as it says throughout Scripture -- that God is THE MOST HIGH meaning there is no one greater than or equal to God.
1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman [is] the man; and the head of Christ [is] God.
1 Corinthians 15:27-28
15:27 For He (God, our heavenly Father) hath put all things under his (Christ's) feet. But when He (God) saith all things are put under [him (Christ), it is] manifest that He (God) is excepted, which did put all things under him (Christ).
15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him (Christ), then shall the Son also himself be subject unto Him (God) that put all things under him (Christ), that God may be all in all.
Again you evade your line of argument regarding the son of lowercase cat, dog, man etc are lowercase cat, dog, man etc.
Then when it comes to uppercase God, the Son became a lowercase "god"?
That is an inconsistent argument.
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Re: What is "a god?"
Post #43There are two primary and extremely evil reasons that Lucifer/Satan/Iblis promotes the LIE that Jesus is/was God:
1) to dupe people into believing the LIE that we don't have to keep The Law that God gave us, allegedly because no one can keep The Law (which is also a LIE); and
2) to reinforce the ridiculous LIE in people's minds that it is somehow possible to kill God.
Christ told everyone, in no uncertain terms, that The Law God gave us will NEVER go away, and that anyone who teaches others it's okay to break God's Commandments is the lowest of the low in God's Eyes.
Matthew 5:17-19
5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy The Law, or the Prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill [to fully preach The Law (The Torah) and fulfill the prophecies about the first coming of the Messiah].
5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no way pass from The Law, till all be fulfilled.
5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least COMMANDments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the LEAST in The Kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in The Kingdom of heaven.
Of course Christ also told us we all can and must keep The Law, and that all of us will be judged according to our works (whether they are lawful/good or whether they are still criminal/sinful/evil.
Matthew 19:26 But Jesus beheld [them], and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but WITH God all things are possible.
Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven IS perfect.
Matthew 16:27 For the Son of Man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his WORKS.
God can NEVER be killed, which is exactly why God told us that He can NEVER be a man, nor the son of man, which Jesus obviously was (Num. 23:19; 1 Sam. 15:29; Job 9:32; Hosea 11:9).
Psalm 90:2 Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever Thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, Thou [art] God.
No wonder we have been told that anyone who denies the true Father-Son relationship between The One and Only True God and Christ the Saviour, whom God sent, is antichrist, not knowing God or His Christ.
1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
John 17:3 And THIS is Life Eternal, that they might KNOW Thee the ONLY True God, and Christ the Saviour, whom Thou hast sent.
1) to dupe people into believing the LIE that we don't have to keep The Law that God gave us, allegedly because no one can keep The Law (which is also a LIE); and
2) to reinforce the ridiculous LIE in people's minds that it is somehow possible to kill God.
Christ told everyone, in no uncertain terms, that The Law God gave us will NEVER go away, and that anyone who teaches others it's okay to break God's Commandments is the lowest of the low in God's Eyes.
Matthew 5:17-19
5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy The Law, or the Prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill [to fully preach The Law (The Torah) and fulfill the prophecies about the first coming of the Messiah].
5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no way pass from The Law, till all be fulfilled.
5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least COMMANDments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the LEAST in The Kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in The Kingdom of heaven.
Of course Christ also told us we all can and must keep The Law, and that all of us will be judged according to our works (whether they are lawful/good or whether they are still criminal/sinful/evil.
Matthew 19:26 But Jesus beheld [them], and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but WITH God all things are possible.
Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven IS perfect.
Matthew 16:27 For the Son of Man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his WORKS.
God can NEVER be killed, which is exactly why God told us that He can NEVER be a man, nor the son of man, which Jesus obviously was (Num. 23:19; 1 Sam. 15:29; Job 9:32; Hosea 11:9).
Psalm 90:2 Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever Thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, Thou [art] God.
No wonder we have been told that anyone who denies the true Father-Son relationship between The One and Only True God and Christ the Saviour, whom God sent, is antichrist, not knowing God or His Christ.
1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
John 17:3 And THIS is Life Eternal, that they might KNOW Thee the ONLY True God, and Christ the Saviour, whom Thou hast sent.
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Re: What is "a god?"
Post #44It's actually you who are choosing to deny the fact that Hebrews 1:8-9 is meant to be a direct quote of Psalm 45:6-7, where Christ is calling Father His God, the same as Christ does everywhere else. You've already had this shown and explained to you more than once (and not just from me), but wish to ignore hundreds of verses so you can continue to believe in a fantasy (LIE).Capbook wrote: ↑Sun May 25, 2025 3:40 amA Freeman wrote: ↑Sun May 25, 2025 3:24 am God cannot have a God, or He wouldn't be God BY DEFINITION.
Here is Jesus crying out to His God and our God from the cross:
Matthew 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast Thou forsaken me? (Eno. 89:20; Psalm 22; Isaiah 52:13 to 54:1; Sura 4:157-8.)
Here is Jesus telling Mary Magdalene that He has the same Father and God that she (the spiritual-Being/soul within) has:
John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and [to] my God, and your God.
Here is Christ -- the immortal spiritual-Being and first-created Son of God -- no longer incarnated inside of the human body of Jesus, again speaking about His God.
Revelation 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in The Temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, [which is] New Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and [I will write upon him] my NEW name.
So we have it from Crown Prince Michael/Christ Himself, both inside the body of Jesus (before and after the resurrection) and out of the body of Jesus, that Christ (The One Whom God anointed) has the same God and heavenly Father as the rest of us.
Of course this makes perfect sense, as it is supported by hundreds if not thousands of verses saying exactly the same thing (that our God and heavenly Father is ONE All-Powerful, All-Knowing and Ever-Present Spiritual-Being that is Higher/Greater than EVERYONE (THE Most High), including Christ. No wonder Christ instructed everyone to pray ONLY to His Father and His God, just as Christ does.
And, to point out what should be obvious, the reason we don't find the claim "Jesus is God" or "God the Son", or "God is a 3=1 'trinity', etc. in the Bible IS BECAUSE THOSE CLAIMS ARE UNTRUE.
It is completely and totally illogical for someone to say "well, it doesn't say that Jesus isn't God either" (a negative), because there is no need to say anything other than our Father and our God is also Christ's Father and God, making them one and the same God. Would someone expect to find the negative phrases "God is not hate" or "Jesus was not the daughter of Mary", etc. ? Of course not. Saying and therefore knowing God IS Love, and that Jesus was the SON of Mary (not her daughter) should explain the situation perfectly and without ambiguity, to any rationally-minded individual.
The "relational subordination" of Christ to God is PERMANENT and it necessarily means -- as it says throughout Scripture -- that God is THE MOST HIGH meaning there is no one greater than or equal to God.
1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman [is] the man; and the head of Christ [is] God.
1 Corinthians 15:27-28
15:27 For He (God, our heavenly Father) hath put all things under his (Christ's) feet. But when He (God) saith all things are put under [him (Christ), it is] manifest that He (God) is excepted, which did put all things under him (Christ).
15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him (Christ), then shall the Son also himself be subject unto Him (God) that put all things under him (Christ), that God may be all in all.
So, you will not believe the Father's own words in Heb 1:8-9? The Father called the Son "God", is to you the Father was wrong in those verses?
This too has already been explained more than once, and is straight out of Scripture (and thus perfectly logical).
Do you really not understand there is only ONE GOD AND FATHER OF US ALL (Deut. 6:4; Mark 12:29; Sura 2:163)?
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Re: What is "a god?"
Post #45David knew Christ to be his Lord, and God to be Christ's LORD (THE LORD God Almighty):
Psalm 110:1 <A Psalm of David.> THE LORD ("I AM") said unto my Lord (Christ), Sit thou at My right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Compare with:
1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman [is] the man; and the head of Christ [is] God.
...and...
1 Corinthians 15:27-28
15:27 For He (God/Father/"I AM") hath put all things under his (Christ's) feet. But when He (God) saith all things are put under [him (Christ), it is] manifest that He (God) is excepted, which did put all things under him (Christ)
15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him (Christ), then shall the Son also himself be subject unto Him (God) that put all things under him (Christ), that God may be all in all.
With the above in mind, and looking at Psalm 45:6-7 in context...
Psalm 45:1-7
45:1 <To the chief Musician upon Shoshannim, for the sons of Korah, Maschil, A Song of loves.> My heart is inditing a good matter: I speak of the things which I have made touching the king: my tongue [is] the pen of a ready writer.
45:2 Thou (Christ) art fairer than the children of men: grace is poured into thy lips (full of grace and truth - John 1:14): therefore God hath blessed thee for ever.
45:3 Gird thy sword upon [thy] thigh, O [most] mighty, with thy glory and thy majesty.
45:4 And in thy majesty ride prosperously because of truth and meekness [and] righteousness; and thy right hand shall teach thee terrible things.
45:5 Thine arrows* [are] sharp in the heart of the King's enemies; [whereby] the people fall under thee.
45:6 (Christ, to God:) Thy Throne, O God, [is] for ever and ever: the sceptre of Thy Kingdom [is] a Right sceptre.
45:7 (And in reply, God to Christ:) Thou (Christ) lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy (Christ's) God, hath anointed thee (Christ, The Anointed One) with the oil of gladness above thy (Christ's) fellows**.
*See Revelation 6:2 and Rev. 19:11-16, where Christ is pictured on a white horse and with a bow, appointed by God to lead God's army as the King of kings and Lords
**God obviously does NOT have "fellows"; Prince/Archangel Michael (Christ) DOES have fellows: fellow angels/spiritual-Beings
NOTE WELL: Father has GIVEN Christ all of the power Christ has, which Christ uses in God's service. Christ humbly does NOT exalt himself, instead giving all praise and glory to Father - Our Father, which art in heaven, hallowed by THY Name; THY Kingdom come, THY Will be done on Earth, as it is in heaven.
So what is Hebrews 1:8-9 supposed to be? A direct quote from Psalm 45:6-7
In context:
Hebrews 1:1-9
1:1 God, Who at sundry times and in diverse manners spoke in time past unto the fathers by the Prophets,
1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [His] Son, whom He (God) hath appointed heir of all things (Christ has been appointed by God as heir of all things), by whom also He (God) made the worlds (John 5:19-20);
1:3 Who being the brightness of [His-God's] glory, and the express image (likeness) of His (God's) person, and upholding all things by The Word of His power (ALL power belongs to God and is His ALONE to give - John 5:30), when he (Christ) had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of His Majesty (God) on high (Christ at God's right hand);
1:4 Being MADE (CREATED) so much better than the angels, as he (Christ) hath by inheritance (as the firstborn/first-created Son - Deut. 21:15-17) obtained a more excellent name than they (Php. 2:9-11).
1:5 For unto which of the angels said He (God) at any time, Thou (Christ) art My Son, this day have I (God) begotten (created) thee? And again, I (God) will be to him (Christ) a Father, and he (Christ) shall be to Me (God) a Son?
1:6 And again, when He (God) bringeth in the firstbegotten (first-created Son) into the world, He (God) saith, And let all the angels of God worship him (Christ - the One Whom God anointed to be our king - see 1 Corinthians 11:3).
1:7 And unto the angels He (God) saith, Who maketh His (God's) angels spirits (Beings), and His (God's) ministers a flame of fire (energy).
1:8 However, unto the Son (Christ) who saith "Thy throne, O God, [is] for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness [is] the sceptre of Thy Kingdom":
1:9 (God saith:) Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated inequity; therefore God, [even] thy (Christ's) God, hath anointed thee (Christ) with the oil of gladness above thy fellows (spirit-beings - the rest of the angels).
Psalm 110:1 <A Psalm of David.> THE LORD ("I AM") said unto my Lord (Christ), Sit thou at My right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Compare with:
1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman [is] the man; and the head of Christ [is] God.
...and...
1 Corinthians 15:27-28
15:27 For He (God/Father/"I AM") hath put all things under his (Christ's) feet. But when He (God) saith all things are put under [him (Christ), it is] manifest that He (God) is excepted, which did put all things under him (Christ)
15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him (Christ), then shall the Son also himself be subject unto Him (God) that put all things under him (Christ), that God may be all in all.
With the above in mind, and looking at Psalm 45:6-7 in context...
Psalm 45:1-7
45:1 <To the chief Musician upon Shoshannim, for the sons of Korah, Maschil, A Song of loves.> My heart is inditing a good matter: I speak of the things which I have made touching the king: my tongue [is] the pen of a ready writer.
45:2 Thou (Christ) art fairer than the children of men: grace is poured into thy lips (full of grace and truth - John 1:14): therefore God hath blessed thee for ever.
45:3 Gird thy sword upon [thy] thigh, O [most] mighty, with thy glory and thy majesty.
45:4 And in thy majesty ride prosperously because of truth and meekness [and] righteousness; and thy right hand shall teach thee terrible things.
45:5 Thine arrows* [are] sharp in the heart of the King's enemies; [whereby] the people fall under thee.
45:6 (Christ, to God:) Thy Throne, O God, [is] for ever and ever: the sceptre of Thy Kingdom [is] a Right sceptre.
45:7 (And in reply, God to Christ:) Thou (Christ) lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy (Christ's) God, hath anointed thee (Christ, The Anointed One) with the oil of gladness above thy (Christ's) fellows**.
*See Revelation 6:2 and Rev. 19:11-16, where Christ is pictured on a white horse and with a bow, appointed by God to lead God's army as the King of kings and Lords
**God obviously does NOT have "fellows"; Prince/Archangel Michael (Christ) DOES have fellows: fellow angels/spiritual-Beings
NOTE WELL: Father has GIVEN Christ all of the power Christ has, which Christ uses in God's service. Christ humbly does NOT exalt himself, instead giving all praise and glory to Father - Our Father, which art in heaven, hallowed by THY Name; THY Kingdom come, THY Will be done on Earth, as it is in heaven.
So what is Hebrews 1:8-9 supposed to be? A direct quote from Psalm 45:6-7
In context:
Hebrews 1:1-9
1:1 God, Who at sundry times and in diverse manners spoke in time past unto the fathers by the Prophets,
1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [His] Son, whom He (God) hath appointed heir of all things (Christ has been appointed by God as heir of all things), by whom also He (God) made the worlds (John 5:19-20);
1:3 Who being the brightness of [His-God's] glory, and the express image (likeness) of His (God's) person, and upholding all things by The Word of His power (ALL power belongs to God and is His ALONE to give - John 5:30), when he (Christ) had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of His Majesty (God) on high (Christ at God's right hand);
1:4 Being MADE (CREATED) so much better than the angels, as he (Christ) hath by inheritance (as the firstborn/first-created Son - Deut. 21:15-17) obtained a more excellent name than they (Php. 2:9-11).
1:5 For unto which of the angels said He (God) at any time, Thou (Christ) art My Son, this day have I (God) begotten (created) thee? And again, I (God) will be to him (Christ) a Father, and he (Christ) shall be to Me (God) a Son?
1:6 And again, when He (God) bringeth in the firstbegotten (first-created Son) into the world, He (God) saith, And let all the angels of God worship him (Christ - the One Whom God anointed to be our king - see 1 Corinthians 11:3).
1:7 And unto the angels He (God) saith, Who maketh His (God's) angels spirits (Beings), and His (God's) ministers a flame of fire (energy).
1:8 However, unto the Son (Christ) who saith "Thy throne, O God, [is] for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness [is] the sceptre of Thy Kingdom":
1:9 (God saith:) Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated inequity; therefore God, [even] thy (Christ's) God, hath anointed thee (Christ) with the oil of gladness above thy fellows (spirit-beings - the rest of the angels).
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Re: What is "a god?"
Post #46Concerning the following factual statement previously made:
A "god" is a term used in Scripture to describe the created, spiritual offspring of God, Who Himself is a Spiritual-Being (Num. 23:19; John 4:24).
If a cat had a son, what would that son be? A cat.
If a dog had a son, what would that son be? A dog.
If a horse had a son, what would that son be? A horse.
If a man had a son, what would that son be? A man.
If God has a son, what would that son be? A god.
A god = a spiritual-Being = a Soul = an angel = a jinn = a Being of Light/Fire
Psalm 82:6 I have said, Ye [are] gods; and all of you (your spirit-Beings) [are] children of the Most High.
John 10:34-36
10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your Law, I said, Ye are gods?
10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the Word of God came, and the Scripture cannot be broken;
10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
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The reason "God" is capitalized is because it is a PROPER NOUN referring to both the name and title of a SINGLE INDIVIDUAL (Deut. 6:4; Zech. 14:9; Mark 12:29; Sura 2:163).
The animals we refer to as cats, dogs, horses and yes, even humans, are groups, i.e. in plural form, just like "gods" is a plural form referring to a group. And even when they are referred to in singular form (cat, dog, horse man, etc.), these animals are obviously NOT proper nouns, names or titles.
The very first LIE that Lucifer/Satan/Iblis/the devil/serpent told in the Garden to Eve was a version of the oft-repeated excuse still used today for every mistake we make "we're only human after all" which, coming from the devil/liar, should be recognized as an obvious LIE.
Genesis 3:2-5
3:2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
3:3 But of the fruit of the tree which [is] in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it (the tree of the knowledge of evil - the devil), lest ye die.
3:4 And the serpent (devil - liar) said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
Adam and Eve were already "gods" (spiritual-Beings) that were temporarily "clothed" (incarnated inside) of human bodies. That's why they didn't feel naked in those bodies.
It was only after they were deceived by the devil/liar that their human eyes were opened (closing their spiritual eyes in the process), and they saw themselves as humans, which were naked.
We are all "gods", aka spiritual-Beings, which are the created children of The Most High (God), exactly as it says in Scripture. We have only forgotten our true spiritual nature while incarnated inside of humans (human+Beings), because we too have been deceived, just as Adam and Eve were.
But there is only ONE God - our Father, which art in heaven - and He is THE SUPREME SPIRITUAL-BEING. And His is The Kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
A "god" is a term used in Scripture to describe the created, spiritual offspring of God, Who Himself is a Spiritual-Being (Num. 23:19; John 4:24).
If a cat had a son, what would that son be? A cat.
If a dog had a son, what would that son be? A dog.
If a horse had a son, what would that son be? A horse.
If a man had a son, what would that son be? A man.
If God has a son, what would that son be? A god.
A god = a spiritual-Being = a Soul = an angel = a jinn = a Being of Light/Fire
Psalm 82:6 I have said, Ye [are] gods; and all of you (your spirit-Beings) [are] children of the Most High.
John 10:34-36
10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your Law, I said, Ye are gods?
10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the Word of God came, and the Scripture cannot be broken;
10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
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The reason "God" is capitalized is because it is a PROPER NOUN referring to both the name and title of a SINGLE INDIVIDUAL (Deut. 6:4; Zech. 14:9; Mark 12:29; Sura 2:163).
The animals we refer to as cats, dogs, horses and yes, even humans, are groups, i.e. in plural form, just like "gods" is a plural form referring to a group. And even when they are referred to in singular form (cat, dog, horse man, etc.), these animals are obviously NOT proper nouns, names or titles.
The very first LIE that Lucifer/Satan/Iblis/the devil/serpent told in the Garden to Eve was a version of the oft-repeated excuse still used today for every mistake we make "we're only human after all" which, coming from the devil/liar, should be recognized as an obvious LIE.
Genesis 3:2-5
3:2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
3:3 But of the fruit of the tree which [is] in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it (the tree of the knowledge of evil - the devil), lest ye die.
3:4 And the serpent (devil - liar) said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
Adam and Eve were already "gods" (spiritual-Beings) that were temporarily "clothed" (incarnated inside) of human bodies. That's why they didn't feel naked in those bodies.
It was only after they were deceived by the devil/liar that their human eyes were opened (closing their spiritual eyes in the process), and they saw themselves as humans, which were naked.
We are all "gods", aka spiritual-Beings, which are the created children of The Most High (God), exactly as it says in Scripture. We have only forgotten our true spiritual nature while incarnated inside of humans (human+Beings), because we too have been deceived, just as Adam and Eve were.
But there is only ONE God - our Father, which art in heaven - and He is THE SUPREME SPIRITUAL-BEING. And His is The Kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
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Re: What is "a god?"
Post #47Cat, dog, horse, man, etc., ARE proper nouns. At least that is what I remember from elementary school. (What is "Sura"?)A Freeman wrote: ↑Sun May 25, 2025 6:10 am Concerning the following factual statement previously made:
A "god" is a term used in Scripture to describe the created, spiritual offspring of God, Who Himself is a Spiritual-Being (Num. 23:19; John 4:24).
If a cat had a son, what would that son be? A cat.
If a dog had a son, what would that son be? A dog.
If a horse had a son, what would that son be? A horse.
If a man had a son, what would that son be? A man.
If God has a son, what would that son be? A god.
A god = a spiritual-Being = a Soul = an angel = a jinn = a Being of Light/Fire
Psalm 82:6 I have said, Ye [are] gods; and all of you (your spirit-Beings) [are] children of the Most High.
John 10:34-36
10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your Law, I said, Ye are gods?
10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the Word of God came, and the Scripture cannot be broken;
10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
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The reason "God" is capitalized is because it is a PROPER NOUN referring to both the name and title of a SINGLE INDIVIDUAL (Deut. 6:4; Zech. 14:9; Mark 12:29; Sura 2:163).
The animals we refer to as cats, dogs, horses and yes, even humans, are groups, i.e. in plural form, just like "gods" is a plural form referring to a group. And even when they are referred to in singular form (cat, dog, horse man, etc.), these animals are obviously NOT proper nouns, names or titles.
Also, a "god" could be human judges, as Christ brought out at John 10:34-36, governors, kings, anyone in high authority positions, as well as anything people love more than the true God. Philippians 3:19 says that someone's god is their belly! A god doesn't have to be spirit.
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Re: What is "a god?"
Post #49A cat, dog, horse, man, etc., are COMMON nouns, NOT proper nouns. Proper nouns are specific names or titles of people, places or organizations, etc., e.g. such as ‘Michael’, ‘Michigan’, or ‘Microsoft.’onewithhim wrote: ↑Sun May 25, 2025 7:13 pmCat, dog, horse, man, etc., ARE proper nouns. At least that is what I remember from elementary school. (What is "Sura"?)A Freeman wrote: ↑Sun May 25, 2025 6:10 am Concerning the following factual statement previously made:
A "god" is a term used in Scripture to describe the created, spiritual offspring of God, Who Himself is a Spiritual-Being (Num. 23:19; John 4:24).
If a cat had a son, what would that son be? A cat.
If a dog had a son, what would that son be? A dog.
If a horse had a son, what would that son be? A horse.
If a man had a son, what would that son be? A man.
If God has a son, what would that son be? A god.
A god = a spiritual-Being = a Soul = an angel = a jinn = a Being of Light/Fire
Psalm 82:6 I have said, Ye [are] gods; and all of you (your spirit-Beings) [are] children of the Most High.
John 10:34-36
10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your Law, I said, Ye are gods?
10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the Word of God came, and the Scripture cannot be broken;
10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
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The reason "God" is capitalized is because it is a PROPER NOUN referring to both the name and title of a SINGLE INDIVIDUAL (Deut. 6:4; Zech. 14:9; Mark 12:29; Sura 2:163).
The animals we refer to as cats, dogs, horses and yes, even humans, are groups, i.e. in plural form, just like "gods" is a plural form referring to a group. And even when they are referred to in singular form (cat, dog, horse man, etc.), these animals are obviously NOT proper nouns, names or titles.
https://vocabdictionary.com/explained/i ... oper-noun/
And a "Sura" is a chapter from the Koran/Quran.
Sura 2:163. And your God is One God. There is no god but He, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
onewithhim wrote: ↑Sun May 25, 2025 7:13 pm Also, a "god" could be human judges, as Christ brought out at John 10:34-36,
People often play at being God, like human judges, doctors, politicians, etc., because people wrongly place them on a pedestal (idolizing them).
Deuteronomy 1:16-17
1:16 And I charged your judges at that time, saying, Hear [the causes] between your brethren, and judge righteously between [every] man and his brother, and the stranger [that is] with him.
1:17 Ye shall not respect persons in Judgment; [but] ye shall hear the small as well as the great; ye shall not be afraid of the face of man; for the Judgment [is] God's: and the cause that is too hard for you, bring [it] unto me, and I will hear it.
However this is not what Jesus was directly referring to in John 10:34-36. Jesus was pointing out that Scripture clearly states we are all spiritual-Beings (temporarily incarnated inside of the human we see in the mirror), i.e. children of The Most High (Who is also a Spiritual Being - John 4:24), so it was NOT blasphemy for Christ, through the mouth of Jesus, to truthfully refer to himself as the Son of God.
Agreed. People do unlawfully idolize humans in positions of human authority, entertainers, and even the human they live inside of, and its ego (the "self"). And yes, people can make a god out of the human belly, which is why gluttony is a capital crime.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sun May 25, 2025 7:13 pm governors, kings, anyone in high authority positions, as well as anything people love more than the true God. Philippians 3:19 says that someone's god is their belly! A god doesn't have to be spirit.
However, that is not the context being discussed now, nor was it the context of Psalm 82:6 and John 10:34-36.
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Re: What is "a god?"
Post #50That's the Latinized, an alteration of the Tetragrammaton. See text below, the original writing of the "‘יהוה" Father's personal name.
"Jehovah" is not a direct transliteration of the Hebrew Tetragrammaton (YHWH) but rather an alteration.
https://www.google.com/search?q=is+jeho ... 8G2mMrKmgg
Exo 3:15 And Elohim said further to Mosheh, “Thus you are to say to the children of Yisra’ěl, ‘יהוה Elohim of your fathers, the Elohim of Aḇraham, the Elohim of Yitsḥaq, and the Elohim of Ya‛aqoḇ, has sent me to you. This is My Name forever, and this is My remembrance to all generations.