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The Jehovah's Witnesses are taught to look to their organization for salvation rather than to Christ Jesus. Their salvation is elusive, works-oriented, and different for the two classes of believers.

See Watchtower, April 1, 1947, page 204: “To get one’s name written in the Book of Life will depend upon one’s works.” Is it any wonder they call themselves slaves in their Bible?

Therefore, every witness must ask themself if they’re good enough to enter Paradise. All their members fall into one of two categories.
1. Those who self-righteously assume that Jehovah will preserve them through Armageddon on account of their good works.
2. Those who know they are sinners unworthy of eternal life.

Those in the flesh cannot please Jehovah. The only ones not in the flesh, and therefore able to please Jehovah, are those who have received the spirit of sonship as fellow heirs with Christ: who would one day be glorified with him.”

Now, the Watchtower teaches that only 144,000 individuals throughout the centuries who receive God’s spirit will become joint heirs with Christ and will end up glorified with him in heaven.

So, it appears that the millions of Witnesses today have no chance of receiving the spirit. Those who are consigned as the “great crowd” of non-spirit-anointed followers to a position where they cannot please God, no matter how hard the work.

My advice: Don’t trust the Watchtower’s invitation to “Come to Jehovah’s organization for salvation.” See Watchtower, November 15, 1981, page 21.

Jesus said, Matthew 11:28, “Come unto me, all you that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.”
John 6:37, “All that the Father gives me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.”

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placebofactor wrote: Tue Apr 22, 2025 5:02 pm ...
Jesus said, Matthew 11:28, “Come unto me, all you that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.”
John 6:37, “All that the Father gives me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.”
It is also good to notice:

These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.
Matt. 25:46
For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 6:23
Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
Matt. 7:21
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placebofactor wrote: Tue Apr 22, 2025 5:02 pm
Jesus said, Matthew 11:28, “Come unto me, all you that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.”
John 6:37, “All that the Father gives me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.”
In Matt.11:28, of course Jesus was referring to all those that have accepted him as their Lord and Savior., and, also, Jesus will not cast out anyone who truthfully "cometh to me," but if someone comes to him and then falls away, that person is causing his own casting out. (Hebrews 6:4-6; Hebrews 10:26-29)

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onewithhim wrote: Tue May 06, 2025 7:16 pm
placebofactor wrote: Tue Apr 22, 2025 5:02 pm
Jesus said, Matthew 11:28, “Come unto me, all you that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.”
John 6:37, “All that the Father gives me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.”
In Matt.11:28, of course Jesus was referring to all those that have accepted him as their Lord and Savior., and, also, Jesus will not cast out anyone who truthfully "cometh to me," but if someone comes to him and then falls away, that person is causing his own casting out. (Hebrews 6:4-6; Hebrews 10:26-29)
Do that mean that when the believer fell to temptation cannot ask for forgiveness and repent?

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onewithhim wrote: Tue May 06, 2025 7:16 pm
placebofactor wrote: Tue Apr 22, 2025 5:02 pm
Jesus said, Matthew 11:28, “Come unto me, all you that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.”
John 6:37, “All that the Father gives me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.”
In Matt.11:28, of course Jesus was referring to all those that have accepted him as their Lord and Savior., and, also, Jesus will not cast out anyone who truthfully "cometh to me," but if someone comes to him and then falls away, that person is causing his own casting out. (Hebrews 6:4-6; Hebrews 10:26-29)
I agree!

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Capbook wrote: Sun May 25, 2025 3:50 am
onewithhim wrote: Tue May 06, 2025 7:16 pm
placebofactor wrote: Tue Apr 22, 2025 5:02 pm
Jesus said, Matthew 11:28, “Come unto me, all you that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.”
John 6:37, “All that the Father gives me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.”
In Matt.11:28, of course Jesus was referring to all those that have accepted him as their Lord and Savior., and, also, Jesus will not cast out anyone who truthfully "cometh to me," but if someone comes to him and then falls away, that person is causing his own casting out. (Hebrews 6:4-6; Hebrews 10:26-29)
Do that mean that when the believer fell to temptation cannot ask for forgiveness and repent?
To have received the Holy Spirit, then later approve of what the Jews did to Christ, and in their heart do it again, is the great sin of blasphemy. In this case, it would be impossible to come to repentance. Mark 3:29, "He that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost has never forgiveness but is in danger of eternal damnation."

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Capbook wrote: Sun May 25, 2025 3:50 am
onewithhim wrote: Tue May 06, 2025 7:16 pm
placebofactor wrote: Tue Apr 22, 2025 5:02 pm
Jesus said, Matthew 11:28, “Come unto me, all you that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.”
John 6:37, “All that the Father gives me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.”
In Matt.11:28, of course Jesus was referring to all those that have accepted him as their Lord and Savior., and, also, Jesus will not cast out anyone who truthfully "cometh to me," but if someone comes to him and then falls away, that person is causing his own casting out. (Hebrews 6:4-6; Hebrews 10:26-29)
Do that mean that when the believer fell to temptation cannot ask for forgiveness and repent?
No, a person can be forgiven if he sincerely repents and does not do it again. It is the person who practices bad things and has no remorse that "cannot be revived again." (Hebrews 6:4-6; Hebrews 10:26-29)

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onewithhim wrote: Sun May 25, 2025 6:42 pm
Capbook wrote: Sun May 25, 2025 3:50 am
onewithhim wrote: Tue May 06, 2025 7:16 pm
placebofactor wrote: Tue Apr 22, 2025 5:02 pm
Jesus said, Matthew 11:28, “Come unto me, all you that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.”
John 6:37, “All that the Father gives me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.”
In Matt.11:28, of course Jesus was referring to all those that have accepted him as their Lord and Savior., and, also, Jesus will not cast out anyone who truthfully "cometh to me," but if someone comes to him and then falls away, that person is causing his own casting out. (Hebrews 6:4-6; Hebrews 10:26-29)
Do that mean that when the believer fell to temptation cannot ask for forgiveness and repent?
No, a person can be forgiven if he sincerely repents and does not do it again. It is the person who practices bad things and has no remorse that "cannot be revived again." (Hebrews 6:4-6; Hebrews 10:26-29)
Yes, those who will not ask for forgiveness and will not repent. That is the unforgivable sin.

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Dear JW’s,

My, My you deny the divinity of Jesus Christ and claim that he is not God the Son but just a mere mortal like the rest of us……..

So here are some your claims:

A mere mortal man can atone for the sins of others.

Adam was the first perfect man.

Mere mortal men can receive ALL that the father hath.

Mere mortal men can receive all power in heaven and earth.

Mere mortal men are given power to judge all other mortals,

All mortal men are given an everlasting kingdom.


I might ask the following:

Who will all these mortal men be ruling over?

What other things might they accomplish?

What else will they do?

What is the purpose of them receiving a mansion if they are just single individuals?

Can you explain in clear detail what will be the relationship of all men and women be on each or in heaven?

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Not a member of the organized religion referred to as "JW" or "Jehovah's Witness", but most if not all that you've posted in the OP isn't scriptural.

For example, where does the phrase "God the Son" appear in Scripture please? Answer: NOWHERE.

And concerning divinity, every son OF God is divine (i.e. they emanate FROM God), but not one single son of God, including Christ, is God. ALL of the sons of God are CREATED spiritual-Beings, beginning with Christ.

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divine /dĭ-vīn′/
adjective

Having the nature of or being a deity. Of, relating to, emanating from, or being the expression of a deity.
"sought divine guidance through meditation."
Being in the service or worship of a deity; sacred.

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John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the Will of Him that sent me.

Anyone who genuinely wishes to serve Christ, and Christ's Father and God, needs to become Christ-like by striving for perfection (Matthew 5:48).

The reason Christ has the power to forgive, the power to heal, the power to redeem and the power to judge us, is because Father gave Christ that power.

Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spoke unto them, saying, All power is GIVEN unto me in heaven and in earth.


Mark 2:10-11
2:10 But that ye may know that the Son of Man hath power on Earth to forgive sins, (he saith to the sick of the palsy,)
2:11 I say unto thee, Arise, and take up thy bed, and go thy way into thine house.

Luke 22:69 Hereafter shall the Son of Man sit on the right hand of THE POWER OF GOD.


John 5:19-22
5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do NOTHING of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever He doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
5:20 For the Father loveth the Son, and showeth him all things that Himself doeth: and He will show him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.
5:21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth [them]; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.
5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son (Enoch 58:1; 60:11; 68:39):

John 5:30-31
5:30 I can of mine own self do NOTHING: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the Will of the Father which hath sent me.
5:31 If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.

The only way someone could believe that Jesus is/was God is if they don't believe the testimony Jesus gave.

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