Seems there exists an unresolved topic amongst Christians... Seems as though the way to salvation is not unified among the many in which I engage. I'd wager they all have a case to support their position(s).?.?
For debate: How does one get to Heaven? What is God's criteria for His selection process? Is it by grace alone, belief/faith alone, works alone; or it is a combination of the three? Or is it maybe other? Please, not only present your case, but please also explain why the other asserted methods are incorrect.
Grace (and/or) Belief/Faith (and/or) Works?
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Post #1In case anyone is wondering... The avatar quote states the following:
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Post #1001If no one can earn it, then everyone goes?
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Post #1002No. As said before, eternal life is promised only for righteous.
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Post #1003Ah, so the answer is B)? According to your Bible book, righteousness is not earned; it's a gift received through faith in Jesus Christ. The Bible emphasizes that righteousness is a free gift from God, not something that can be attained through good works or adherence to rules.
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Post #1004Before I can answer, please show the scripture you are referring to.POI wrote: ↑Fri May 09, 2025 1:01 amAh, so the answer is B)? According to your Bible book, righteousness is not earned; it's a gift received through faith in Jesus Christ. The Bible emphasizes that righteousness is a free gift from God, not something that can be attained through good works or adherence to rules.
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Post #1005We've already been over this countless times. I'm not going to beat a dead horse. Please re-read your book. Hint, in Romans 3:21-26, to understand that 'righteousness '= Jesus faith.1213 wrote: ↑Sun May 11, 2025 6:09 amBefore I can answer, please show the scripture you are referring to.POI wrote: ↑Fri May 09, 2025 1:01 amAh, so the answer is B)? According to your Bible book, righteousness is not earned; it's a gift received through faith in Jesus Christ. The Bible emphasizes that righteousness is a free gift from God, not something that can be attained through good works or adherence to rules.
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Post #1006Marke: The way of salvation is clear. All humans are born sinners and commit sins by nature. God is righteous and must judge sin. Jesus became the substitute for sinners by taking God's judgment of sin on Himself so that whosever would repent of his sins and seek God's forgiveness would be saved and given a home in heaven.POI wrote: ↑Thu May 05, 2022 1:20 pm Seems there exists an unresolved topic amongst Christians... Seems as though the way to salvation is not unified among the many in which I engage. I'd wager they all have a case to support their position(s).?.?
For debate: How does one get to Heaven? What is God's criteria for His selection process? Is it by grace alone, belief/faith alone, works alone; or it is a combination of the three? Or is it maybe other? Please, not only present your case, but please also explain why the other asserted methods are incorrect.
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Post #1007Why are you beating your dead horse?
Bible doesn't say 'righteousness '= Jesus faith.
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Post #1008Here is the answer key, so far.marke wrote: ↑Sun May 11, 2025 9:09 pmMarke: The way of salvation is clear. All humans are born sinners and commit sins by nature. God is righteous and must judge sin. Jesus became the substitute for sinners by taking God's judgment of sin on Himself so that whosever would repent of his sins and seek God's forgiveness would be saved and given a home in heaven.POI wrote: ↑Thu May 05, 2022 1:20 pm Seems there exists an unresolved topic amongst Christians... Seems as though the way to salvation is not unified among the many in which I engage. I'd wager they all have a case to support their position(s).?.?
For debate: How does one get to Heaven? What is God's criteria for His selection process? Is it by grace alone, belief/faith alone, works alone; or it is a combination of the three? Or is it maybe other? Please, not only present your case, but please also explain why the other asserted methods are incorrect.
A) Unconditional grace - (Jesus already did all the dirty work, everyone goes now since he had to die for all, as all fall short)
B) Faith/belief - (accept him as your savior, ask him for guidance, apply trust in him)
C) Works - (necessary acts or tasks in which Jesus also deems 'good', and may also not include the attributes of B)
D) Both B) and C)
E) No one goes, no one is worthy
F) Other, which does not already include the topics of B) and/or C)
Looks like you are claiming answer D))? Please select one and then we can proceed from there. If it is answer F), please explain why none of the other answers apply.
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Post #1009Yes, it does:
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?s ... ersion=NIV
Righteousness Through Faith
21 But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22 This righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile, 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. 25 God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement, through the shedding of his blood—to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished— 26 he did it to demonstrate his righteousness at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.
So, are you selecting option B)?
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Post #1010Marke: If Jesus had not died in order to take away the sins of the world then nobody could have been saved. Because God is righteous He had to judge sin. Those who repent opf their sins and come to God on the basis of Jesus' shed blood for their sins will be forgiven and given a home in heaven. The faith that saves a sinner is exhibited by the sinner when he comes to jesus for forgiveness of his sins as God has prescribed in the Bible. Thos who get saved become new creatures and their lives reflect their changed nature in the works they do. If there has been no change then there will be no works and the sinner is still not given a promised home in heaven. Sinners do not earn passage to heaven by good works but by seeking forgiveness for their sins while still a sinner and will afterward remain in their corrupted earthly bodies until death even after salvation on earth.POI wrote: ↑Mon May 12, 2025 11:16 amHere is the answer key, so far.marke wrote: ↑Sun May 11, 2025 9:09 pmMarke: The way of salvation is clear. All humans are born sinners and commit sins by nature. God is righteous and must judge sin. Jesus became the substitute for sinners by taking God's judgment of sin on Himself so that whosever would repent of his sins and seek God's forgiveness would be saved and given a home in heaven.POI wrote: ↑Thu May 05, 2022 1:20 pm Seems there exists an unresolved topic amongst Christians... Seems as though the way to salvation is not unified among the many in which I engage. I'd wager they all have a case to support their position(s).?.?
For debate: How does one get to Heaven? What is God's criteria for His selection process? Is it by grace alone, belief/faith alone, works alone; or it is a combination of the three? Or is it maybe other? Please, not only present your case, but please also explain why the other asserted methods are incorrect.
A) Unconditional grace - (Jesus already did all the dirty work, everyone goes now since he had to die for all, as all fall short)
B) Faith/belief - (accept him as your savior, ask him for guidance, apply trust in him)
C) Works - (necessary acts or tasks in which Jesus also deems 'good', and may also not include the attributes of B)
D) Both B) and C)
E) No one goes, no one is worthy
F) Other, which does not already include the topics of B) and/or C)
Looks like you are claiming answer D))? Please select one and then we can proceed from there. If it is answer F), please explain why none of the other answers apply.