How likely are we to find extraterrestrial life?

[otseng]

Many NASA scientists think we're on the verge of finding alien life.

Ellen Stofan, NASA's former chief scientist, said in 2015 that she believes we'll get "strong indications of life beyond Earth in the next decade and definitive evidence in the next 10 to 20 years."

Many astrophysicists and astronomers are convinced that it's not a matter of if we'll find life — it's when.

https://www.businessinsider.com/nasa-pl ... de-2019-11

Questions for debate:
- How likely are we to find extraterrestrial life?
- What empirical evidence is there that any extraterrestrial life exists?
- What are the implications if extraterrestrial life exists or do not exist?

[Clownboat]

Revelation 21
21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new Earth: for the first heaven and the first Earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
21:2 And I John saw the Holy City, "New Jerusalem", coming DOWN from God OUT OF HEAVEN, prepared as a Bride adorned for her husband.
21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the Tabernacle of God [is] with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself shall be with them, [and be] their God.
21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
21:5 And He that sat upon the Throne said, Behold, I make all things NEW. And He said unto me, Write: for these words are True and Faithful.
21:6 And He said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the Water of Life freely.
21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be My (adopted) son.
21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and ALL LIARS, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with Fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
21:9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come here, I will show thee the Bride, the Lamb's Wife.
21:10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me that great City, the Holy Jerusalem, DESCENDING OUT OF HEAVEN from God,
21:11 Having the glory of God: and her light [was] like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;
21:12 And had a wall great and high, [and] had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are [the names] of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:
21:13 On the East three gates; on the North three gates; on the South three gates; and on the West three gates.
21:14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve Apostles of the Lamb.
21:15 And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof.
21:16 And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal*.
21:17 And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred [and] forty [and] four cubits, [according to] the measure of man, that is, from the angel.
21:18 And the building of the wall of it was [of] jasper: and the city [was] pure gold, like unto clear glass.
21:19 And the foundations of the wall of the city [were] garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation [was] jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald;
21:20 The fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolite; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz; the tenth, a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a jacinth; the twelfth, an amethyst. (see the Breast-Plate of Aaron - Exodus 28)
21:21 And the twelve gates [were] twelve pearls; every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the City [was] pure gold, as it were transparent glass.
21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are The Temple of it.
21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb [is] the Light thereof.
21:24 And them which are saved out of the nations shall walk in the Light of it: and the kings of the Earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
21:25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
21:26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.
21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither [whatsoever] worketh abomination, or [maketh] a LIE: but they which are written in the Lamb's Book of Life.

*Note: There are two 3-dimensional objects that have equal breath, width and height; a cube and a sphere. Given the fact that the heavens are filled with celestial bodies that are spherical in shape, which is the strongest shape there is, it seems likely that the "New Jerusalem" is a spherical shaped spaceship, 12,000 furlongs in diameter.

A furlong today is accepted to be 1/8th of a mile (220 yards or 660 feet). So 12,000 furlongs would be 1500 miles.

However, what is translated as a "furlong" in the KJV is from the Greek word "σταδίων" (stadiōn), upon which the Roman stade (stadium) was based. Although these three measurements are thought to be roughly equivalent, the stadiōn could be slightly shorter or slightly longer than the furlong.

For reference, the moon's diameter is reportedly 2159 miles. So the "New Jerusalem" could be hidden within the moon (if it is hollow), or it could be the moon itself or, alternatively, it could have nothing to do with the moon.

No disrespect, but believing in a moon'ish sized spaceship because of something you have read in religious promotional material is not sufficient reason to believe such a thing. Additionally, even what you did provide does not allude to space ship as it is clearly talking about a city.
If you take issue with this, just pretend the claims were coming from the Quran and ask yourself just how impressed you would be.

[A Freeman]

[Replying to Clownboat in post #171]

As someone who KNOWS* that the Old Covenant/Testament, New Covenant/Testament AND the Koran/Quran are the inspired Word of God, and that they are in perfect agreement when properly transcribed, properly translated and properly understood, there would be no issue whatsoever if those dimensions were confirmed in the Koran/Quran.

See: The King of kings' Bible

*The word "believe" still contains an element of doubt, as the "believer" accepts something as true/real in the absence of irrefutable proof.

And with regard to the advertising brochures, you have it exactly backwards, i.e. you're confusing the Old Covenant/Testament, New Covenant/Testament AND the Koran/Quran (which are true) with the Talmud, Catechism, Book of Mormon, etc. and the Hadith, which ARE the self-contradictory (false) advertising brochures for their respective corporate fictional religious sects/cults/denominations, etc. (Judaism, Roman Catholicism, the Protestant denominations, and the various sects of "Islam", etc.).

[Clownboat]

[Replying to Clownboat in post #171]

As someone who KNOWS* that the Old Covenant/Testament, New Covenant/Testament AND the Koran/Quran are the inspired Word of God, and that they are in perfect agreement when properly transcribed, properly translated and properly understood, there would be no issue whatsoever if those dimensions were confirmed in the Koran/Quran.

See: The King of kings' Bible

*The word "believe" still contains an element of doubt, as the "believer" accepts something as true/real in the absence of irrefutable proof.

And with regard to the advertising brochures, you have it exactly backwards, i.e. you're confusing the Old Covenant/Testament, New Covenant/Testament AND the Koran/Quran (which are true) with the Talmud, Catechism, Book of Mormon, etc. and the Hadith, which ARE the self-contradictory (false) advertising brochures for their respective corporate fictional religious sects/cults/denominations, etc. (Judaism, Roman Catholicism, the Protestant denominations, and the various sects of "Islam", etc.).

There is no need to quote a post if you are not going to address that which is in it.

"No disrespect, but believing in a moon'ish sized spaceship because of something you have read in religious promotional material is not sufficient reason to believe such a thing. Additionally, even what you did provide does not allude to space ship as it is clearly talking about a city."

The above stands until discredited or shown to be false and you can't just claim to know information that you 'believe' you have. That is how people create and maintain delusional beliefs.