Jehovah's Witnesses and the Trinity Part 1

[SiNcE_1985]

[Capbook]

I think I've already answered about Jesus being subordinate to the Father, though Jesus is God, still obeys the Father, referred as relational subordination where the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are co-equal, co-eternal in essence, they have distinct roles and relationships, with the Son and Spirit being subordinate to the Father in terms of their actions and activities, not in their nature or being.


Relational subordination also applies to human father and to his son, a good son must be obedient to the father, do that mean that they are not equal of being in the state of human?

I believe the most difficult to you was to answer my simple logic honestly and explicitly. I'm still waiting for it.

Being human it does, but being God, Jesus has all what the Father had.(John 16:15)

I believe, being rediculous was the inability to answer the simple logic, logically, honestly and explicitly.

Yes, as His physical body was seen during His ascension and also be seen on His second coming. But some believe that Jesus is solely spirit in heaven. Where did His body go then?
But He is God from the beginning.(John 1:1)

I believe Jesus sit at the right of the Father at His post-resurrection and ascension.

Heb 12:2
2 fixing our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of faith, who for the joy set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.
Acts 7:56-57
56 and he said, "Behold, I see the heavens opened up and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God."
NASB

So are you saying a father and his son in the flesh are co-equal?

Maybe you need to think through these changes you have made to the Trinity some more!

F2F

Yes, the human father and the son being in the state of human are equal in rights and dignity.
Though they differs in roles and activities.
The statement above not about the Trinity, it's another simple approach of relational subordination.

I just need to hear you say they are not co-equal in regards to activity

Is this what you believe?

F2F

Yes, if we speak about the human father and his son they don't have the same activity. The Father as the breadwinner of the family and the son might be in school studying.
When to Jesus and the Father, the Father as per JW beliefs always in heaven while the Son came to earth, and many more.

[Capbook]

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[servant1]

[Replying to Capbook in post #87]

John 17:6, John 17:26
Rom 10:13--Everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved.

[Capbook]

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[servant1]

[Replying to Capbook in post #97]


They got Lord from their altered OT LORD at Joel 2:21-22--YHVH( Jehovah) is what God willed at Joel 2:21-22. Thus( Lord) put in Acts 2:21 and Rom 10:13 as well. Jesus and his real religion would use a translation that supports his Fathers will= his name in his real bible over 7000 places. The darkness gives support to the removal of Gods name and use altered translations that mislead. That is undeniable reality. You best relook.