Please prove that souls exist and that they are either resurrected or reincarnated

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Please prove that souls exist and that they are either resurrected or reincarnated

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Most religions claim that souls exist. Some religions claim that souls are immortal and are reincarnated after the death of the body while other religions claim that souls are immortal and are resurrected after the death of the body. Can anyone please prove that souls exist and are either resurrected or reincarnated? Thank you.

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Re: Please prove that souls exist and that they are either resurrected or reincarnated

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[Replying to marke in post #650]
The human spirit uses the human brain to think, but the electrical impulses and chemical reactions in the brain cannot think on their own because they are ignorant and have no soul or spirit of their own.
Yes but are you saying that Human Consciousness is "also known as 'spirit'" or are you declaring something else?
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Marke: I'm saying that intelligence and awareness are not intrinsic to electrical or chemical reactions.

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marke wrote: Sun Apr 06, 2025 1:03 pm
brunumb wrote: Fri Apr 04, 2025 9:54 pm
marke wrote: Fri Apr 04, 2025 4:11 pm Marke: The human ability to think, reason, and logically respond cannot be attributed to chemicals or electrical impulses. Humans don't think with their flesh and blood they think with their spirits.
The human ability to think, reason, and logically respond can be attributed to chemicals or electrical impulses. Now, over to you to disprove that claim. Add to that the need to provide irrefutable evidence for spirits. All you are doing is making unsupported faith based claims which are a dime a dozen and provide no compelling reason to believe that any of them are true.


Marke: The secularists have the impossible task of trying to prove electrical impulses create and express thoughts and reasoning in humans.
You are in a no better position trying to prove that anything other than physical processes are involved. Swamp the brain with chemicals or inflict a sound blow to the head and see what happens to thought and reasoning. Your so-called 'spirit' is nothing more than an invented concept from a distant past filled with superstition and ignorance of the world.
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brunumb wrote: Sun Apr 06, 2025 6:59 pm
marke wrote: Sun Apr 06, 2025 1:03 pm
brunumb wrote: Fri Apr 04, 2025 9:54 pm
marke wrote: Fri Apr 04, 2025 4:11 pm Marke: The human ability to think, reason, and logically respond cannot be attributed to chemicals or electrical impulses. Humans don't think with their flesh and blood they think with their spirits.
The human ability to think, reason, and logically respond can be attributed to chemicals or electrical impulses. Now, over to you to disprove that claim. Add to that the need to provide irrefutable evidence for spirits. All you are doing is making unsupported faith based claims which are a dime a dozen and provide no compelling reason to believe that any of them are true.


Marke: The secularists have the impossible task of trying to prove electrical impulses create and express thoughts and reasoning in humans.
You are in a no better position trying to prove that anything other than physical processes are involved. Swamp the brain with chemicals or inflict a sound blow to the head and see what happens to thought and reasoning. Your so-called 'spirit' is nothing more than an invented concept from a distant past filled with superstition and ignorance of the world.
Marke: Chemicals do not think and electrical charges are also incable of forming or expressing thoughts.

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[Replying to marke in post #652]
I'm saying that intelligence and awareness are not intrinsic to electrical or chemical reactions.
That is clear. What isn't clear is what you mean by "spirit" which is why I asked are you saying that Human Consciousness is "also known as 'spirit'" or are you declaring something else?
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William wrote: Sun Apr 06, 2025 11:32 pm [Replying to marke in post #652]
I'm saying that intelligence and awareness are not intrinsic to electrical or chemical reactions.
That is clear. What isn't clear is what you mean by "spirit" which is why I asked are you saying that Human Consciousness is "also known as 'spirit'" or are you declaring something else?
Marke: I am not trying to make more of this than I am able but I do not think it is too complicated to admit that chemical reactions and electrical charges cannot think without some intelligent life force providing the intelligence and awareness that spiritless elements don't posess.

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marke wrote: Mon Apr 07, 2025 2:59 am
Marke: I am not trying to make more of this than I am able but I do not think it is too complicated to admit that chemical reactions and electrical charges cannot think without some intelligent life force providing the intelligence and awareness that spiritless elements don't posess.
Really? So this intelligent life force must be doing the thinking if it is not the result of chemical reactions and electrical charges. How does it work? Does the intelligent life force also help computer chips and AI to process information?
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brunumb wrote: Mon Apr 07, 2025 7:45 am
marke wrote: Mon Apr 07, 2025 2:59 am
Marke: I am not trying to make more of this than I am able but I do not think it is too complicated to admit that chemical reactions and electrical charges cannot think without some intelligent life force providing the intelligence and awareness that spiritless elements don't posess.
Really? So this intelligent life force must be doing the thinking if it is not the result of chemical reactions and electrical charges. How does it work? Does the intelligent life force also help computer chips and AI to process information?
Marke: Are you suggesting that for electrical impulses to be able to produce original thoughts and respond reasonably in debates those charges must first be designed by some intelligent force and molded into some mechanism by which to operate? Maybe some modern Miller-Urey style genius can create an alien lab environment whereby electrical impulses will be able to create thoughts without input from an intelligent life form?

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marke wrote: Mon Apr 07, 2025 2:59 am
William wrote: Sun Apr 06, 2025 11:32 pm [Replying to marke in post #652]
I'm saying that intelligence and awareness are not intrinsic to electrical or chemical reactions.
That is clear. What isn't clear is what you mean by "spirit" which is why I asked are you saying that Human Consciousness is "also known as 'spirit'" or are you declaring something else?
Marke: I am not trying to make more of this than I am able but I do not think it is too complicated to admit that chemical reactions and electrical charges cannot think without some intelligent life force providing the intelligence and awareness that spiritless elements don't posess.
You appear to be outsourcing the unknown to a word that just reframes the unknown...you are saying "I am spirit" without defining what "spirit" actually is - in the same way someone might claim "I am consciousness" - again - without defining what consciousness is.

This in turn means that the expression "I AM" is undefined...as in "I think - therefore - I am" (but what is it that I Am remains mystery.)
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marke wrote: Sun Apr 06, 2025 8:15 pm Marke: Chemicals do not think and electrical charges are also incable of forming or expressing thoughts.
Please name the debate opponent that made the claim that chemicals can think.
Please name the debate opponent that made the claim that electrical charges cannot form or express thoughts.

There are actual humans on this board with actual thoughts and arguments you are able to engage with. Please try to debate us real people and leave the make believe debaters to your imagination.
Now I have to wonder... Is your mind or is your soul responsible for forming these strawman arguments you have made (in your opinion)? Asking for irony.
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