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For Debate: Why believe that a man laid dead in a tomb for 1 1/2 to 3 days, and then rose again?
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But why should someone else care about your goal of 'better for everyone' versus better for me? Or, even if they do agree with that, agree with you on what is truly better for everyone?Purple Knight wrote: ↑Thu Mar 27, 2025 4:58 pmI think we should turn the earth now: Make things better for everyone. We can. But with the understanding that every one is part of everyone, even you and me.
They don't have to. But then, I am also free to care about myself first and not the other person. Or at least, I should be. Without morality, I would be.The Tanager wrote: ↑Fri Mar 28, 2025 6:47 amBut why should someone else care about your goal of 'better for everyone' versus better for me?Purple Knight wrote: ↑Thu Mar 27, 2025 4:58 pmI think we should turn the earth now: Make things better for everyone. We can. But with the understanding that every one is part of everyone, even you and me.
They get to say what's best for them. I get to say what's best for me. And we can either work together to find what best harmonises both of these ideals, or not. Not is bad for both.The Tanager wrote: ↑Fri Mar 28, 2025 6:47 amOr, even if they do agree with that, agree with you on what is truly better for everyone?
Whoever it is okay to dehumanise.William wrote: ↑Fri Mar 28, 2025 1:53 am [Replying to Purple Knight in post #130]
Who is the “bad guy”?
All of the above.
Because those who we are free to hurt without social or moral consequences are the ones who get hurt the most. You avoid enabling harm by avoiding enabling harm. It's a separate issue than whether people who believe the wrong things are subhumans who do not deserve rights.
Who is the “bad guy”?
So the "bad guy" is the one which is "okay" to dehumanize? What about the one doing the dehumanizing? Is that also the "bad guy" or is that the "good guy"?Whoever it is okay to dehumanise.
What reasonably obtainable evidence would falsify the claim that Jesus was supernaturally resurrected or is it not possible to discover if it is false?AquinasForGod wrote: ↑Tue Jun 10, 2025 10:30 am [Replying to POI in post #1]
Eyewitness accounts: The New Testament documents claim many people saw him alive after his death, including over 500 at once.
Empty tomb: His tomb was found empty, and his enemies couldn't produce the body.
Disciples' transformation: His followers went from terrified and scattered to boldly proclaiming his resurrection, even facing persecution and death. This radical change is often attributed to a real encounter with the risen Jesus.
This will not be enough, though. It wasn't for me. God instead made himself known to me, and then shortly after made known to me the resurrection.
How do you know this? Can you explain?AquinasForGod wrote: ↑Tue Jun 10, 2025 10:30 am This will not be enough, though. It wasn't for me. God instead made himself known to me, and then shortly after made known to me the resurrection.
There is a specific religion that requires you to believe that such an event happened in order for your eternals soul to live on in paradise. Otherwise eternal suffering awaits you.POI wrote: ↑Mon Mar 03, 2025 12:52 pm Taken from an exchange here (posting.php?mode=quote&f=8&p=1166484).
In essence, I'd like to focus here...
For Debate: Why believe that a man laid dead in a tomb for 1 1/2 to 3 days, and then rose again?
Yes, I believe the Christian handbook attests to this specific strategy: