every tear

[Athetotheist]

"He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”
(Rev. 21:4)

Imagine yourself in heaven after the end of this world, where the throngs of the saved have been gathered to sing praises to Jesus for eternity.....

.....but someone you loved very deeply and dearly in this life is not there. That someone was loving, kind, humble and generous, but was just never convinced of the Jesus story......

.....so now you're in heaven forever and your dear one is not, and sometimes you stand alone at the edge of heaven looking out into the abyss and remembering.

As long as you remember, can every tear be wiped from your eyes? How? Must an act of divine amnesia be worked upon you to remove the sorrow from your heart by removing the loved one from your mind? Are you to simply put your memory and your love away in the eternal rejoicing? If so, is the eternal bliss still genuine?

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to 1213 in post #57]

I think it has been established, because everyone who receives gets what is promised. But it does not mean that everyone will accept it. And that explains the conflict.

“This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel after that time,” declares the Lord.
“I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people.
No longer will they teach their neighbor, or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’ because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest,” declares the Lord. “For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more.”

The new covenant is being prophesied, and the prophecy is that they will all know Jehovah because they will all have the law written on their hearts. The action is on his part, not on theirs, which means that it isn't about some limited segment who "receive" it or "accept" it. It's about all of them. That hasn't happened.

It will not be like the old covenant that I made with their ancestors when I delivered them from Egypt. For they violated that covenant, even though I was like a faithful husband to them," says the LORD.
Jer. 31:32

I think that is correct.

Right. "I was like a husband" in Jeremiah 31 is correct. "I disregarded them" in Hebrews 8 is not.

[1213]

...the prophecy is that they will all know Jehovah because they will all have the law written on their hearts. The action is on his part, not on theirs, which means that it isn't about some limited segment who "receive" it or "accept" it. It's about all of them. That hasn't happened.

I don't think it necessary means all will accept it. But, I believe the law written into persons hart happens according to this:

Jesus answered him, “Most certainly, I tell you, unless one is born anew, he can’t see God’s Kingdom.” Nicodemus said to him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb, and be born?” Jesus an-swered, “Most certainly I tell you, unless one is born of water and spirit, he can’t enter into God’s Kingdom. That which is born of the flesh is flesh. That which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Don’t marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born anew.’
John 3:3-7
But as many as received him, to them he gave the right to be-come God’s children, to those who believe in his name: who were born not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
John 1:12-13
It is the spirit who gives life. The flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and are life.
John 6:63
He who does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. To this end the Son of God was revealed: that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whoever is born of God doesn’t commit sin, because his seed remains in him, and he can’t sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are revealed, and the children of the devil. Whoever doesn’t do righteousness is not of God, neither is he who doesn’t love his brother.
1 John 3:7-10

The words Jesus declared can cause the change of heart so that person becomes righteous.

Right. "I was like a husband" in Jeremiah 31 is correct. "I disregarded them" in Hebrews 8 is not.

It is interesting, if it is missing, because I think it is also what the context shows and without it, it looks like something is missing.

[1213]

... This happiness could not be genuine if you truly loved the ones in which your God decided to burn.

When you understand that the situation is really not bad, then you can be happy.

If your child was sent to burn/other, for eternity, you would immediately be filled with eternal bliss, once in Heaven?

I don't think Bible says "eternal bliss". And I rather speak with the words that are in the Bible, because I think then the meaning is clearer. Bible tells for example that tears will be wiped out. To me that means it is possible that at the moment of separation there is sadness. But the sadness will go away. And I believe the reason for that is that person understands that the situation is good and things are well. It is sad, if some people don't get into the heaven, but I think sadder would be, if they would be forced to be there.

And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes. And death shall be no longer, nor mourning, nor outcry, nor pain will be any longer; for the first things passed away.
Rev. 21:4

[1213]

You're going back to your "everyone-who-doesn't-believe-must-want-to-be-evil" argument which has already been refuted.

If person doesn't believe it is right to love others, how is he then not evil?

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to 1213 in post #62]

I don't think it necessary means all will accept it.

That's what it has to mean according to what's written. Jeremiah 31:34 doesn't say, "No longer will they teach their neighbor, or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’ because there will be some who just won't accept it."

It says:

No longer will they teach their neighbor, or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’ because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest,” declares the Lord.

That hasn't happened.

[Athetotheist]

You're going back to your "everyone-who-doesn't-believe-must-want-to-be-evil" argument which has already been refuted.

If person doesn't believe it is right to love others, how is he then not evil?

You're going back to your "everyone-who-doesn't-believe-what-I-believe-must-not-love-others" argument which has already been refuted.

[POI]

I don't think Bible says "eternal bliss". And I rather speak with the words that are in the Bible, because I think then the meaning is clearer.

Then your entire argument for the 'slavery' thread can be ignored. We can certainly use synonyms and/or parallel words/phrases, as long as they remain in context. If you instead wish to remain this hyperbole, then I will hold you to it in all exchanges. But I think you instead only wish to do so when convenient, like with the term "slavery" to also mean "tax payers"

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I trust you would agree there exists absolutely no kind or type of sadness in Heaven at all, ever, right?

Bible tells for example that tears will be wiped out. To me that means it is possible that at the moment of separation there is sadness. But the sadness will go away.

There can be no sadness at all, in Heaven, regardless of how temporary. Otherwise, it would not logically be called Heaven. And after you find a way to get around this portion, you still need to contend with the question posted by the OP-er, in that your happiness would not be genuine anyways, as you would otherwise likely mourn the loss of your closest loved ones for a long time, or longer, and not instead only experience pure joy/bliss/happiness alone. Sure, you might eventually not feel quite as bad, after a while, but you would still have your moments. Thus, when he wipes away your tears, is God:

a) making you anew? or...
b) wiping away your prior memory?

And I believe the reason for that is that person understands that the situation is good and things are well. It is sad, if some people don't get into the heaven, but I think sadder would be, if they would be forced to be there.

Answered above.