"He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”
(Rev. 21:4)
Imagine yourself in heaven after the end of this world, where the throngs of the saved have been gathered to sing praises to Jesus for eternity.....
.....but someone you loved very deeply and dearly in this life is not there. That someone was loving, kind, humble and generous, but was just never convinced of the Jesus story......
.....so now you're in heaven forever and your dear one is not, and sometimes you stand alone at the edge of heaven looking out into the abyss and remembering.
As long as you remember, can every tear be wiped from your eyes? How? Must an act of divine amnesia be worked upon you to remove the sorrow from your heart by removing the loved one from your mind? Are you to simply put your memory and your love away in the eternal rejoicing? If so, is the eternal bliss still genuine?
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Post #1"There is more room for a god in science than there is for no god in religious faith."
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Post #31[Replying to marke in post #29]
Then the questions I raised still stand.Yes, the scriptures are totally and irrefutably accurate.
Revelation 21:4
And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
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Post #32Then just allow all into Heaven. If God is required to change you, then it makes little sense not to just allow all into Heaven.
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Post #33Marke: Are you questioning whether the scripture is accurate? If not, then what are you asking?Athetotheist wrote: ↑Sun Mar 23, 2025 2:06 pm [Replying to marke in post #29]
Then the questions I raised still stand.Yes, the scriptures are totally and irrefutably accurate.
Revelation 21:4
And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
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Post #34Marke: God saves sinners His way, not some other way.
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Post #35This response addresses nothing I said. If God forgives all sin, and God also has to change you, then it makes no sense not to accept all. And as the OP-er asked, is your lack of further sorrow really genuine if God has to "remove" your tears? The answer is NO!
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Post #36[Replying to marke in post #33]
I'm asking the questions at the end of my OP.Are you questioning whether the scripture is accurate? If not, then what are you asking?
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Post #37POI wrote: ↑Sun Mar 23, 2025 5:26 pmThis response addresses nothing I said. If God forgives all sin, and God also has to change you, then it makes no sense not to accept all. And as the OP-er asked, is your lack of further sorrow really genuine if God has to "remove" your tears? The answer is NO!
Marke: I do not believe your argument is valid or reasonable.
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Post #38'Nu-huh' is not an acceptable debate response tactic. You need to sight your reason(s) in which you believe my argument is not sound.marke wrote: ↑Sun Mar 23, 2025 7:59 pmPOI wrote: ↑Sun Mar 23, 2025 5:26 pmThis response addresses nothing I said. If God forgives all sin, and God also has to change you, then it makes no sense not to accept all. And as the OP-er asked, is your lack of further sorrow really genuine if God has to "remove" your tears? The answer is NO!
Marke: I do not believe your argument is valid or reasonable.
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Post #39I don't believe anyone goes to hell because they didn't believe God is real, or that Jesus is the way. If people go to hell, it is because they are not righteous. And the judgment goes by this:Athetotheist wrote: ↑Sun Mar 23, 2025 1:22 pm It isn't about someone wanting separation from God. It's about someone simply not being convinced that Jesus is the way to God, or not believing in God at all.
It's unfair and self-righteous to assume that others want to be evil just because they don't believe what you believe.
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These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.
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Post #40By the way, where do you get the idea of bliss?
I don't think memory needs to be wiped by God. It is possible that people who end up Heaven already understand why things are good the way they are and that there is no need to mourn.
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