Proving God by proving the Bible

[RBD]

Since the God of the Bible says He cannot be proven nor found apart from His words, such as by physical sight, signs, philosophy, science, etc... then it is not possible to given any proof of the true God in heaven, apart from His words. Indeed, He says such seeking of proof is unbeliefe, vain, and decietful.

1Co 1:20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

Luk 16:31And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.


Therefore, the only way to prove God is, and He is the God of the Bible, is to prove the Bible is true in all things. So, without sounding 'preachy' by only using God's words to prove Himself, then we can prove the Bible must be His proof by proving there is no contradiction between any of His words.

Proof that there is a God in heaven, and He is the Lord God of the Bible, is by the inerrancy of His words written by so many men, so many generations apart.

I propose to prove the God of the Bible is true, but proving there is no contradiction of His words of doctrine, and prophecy. If anyone believes there is a contradction, then let's see it. Otherwise, the Bible is perfectly true as written: The Creator of heaven and earth, and all creatures in heaven and on earth, is the Lord God of the Bible.

[RBD]

I'm basing my response upon <your> response(s). Again, are you:

1) Arguing that we will find evidence someday? Or...
2) Arguing that we should never expect to find any evidence?

Quote me, or move on.

[POI]

I'm basing my response upon <your> response(s). Again, are you:

1) Arguing that we will find evidence someday? Or...
2) Arguing that we should never expect to find any evidence?

Quote me, or move on.

Answer my question, or, instead remain silent to the only two possible answers for your position. Which would then demonstrate to all readers, who follow along, that you have now been proverbially pinned.

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to RBD in post #272]

Sex may have to do with being an unclean soldier in camp. It has nothing to do with being an unclean spouse in divorce.

The uncleanness in Dt. 23:14 is about using the latrine, not about sex in camp. There's nothing sexual specified in the uncleanness of Dt. 23:14 or Dt. 24:1.

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to RBD in post #273]

Try a word by word comparison, and you'll see the difference between making a vow to keep, and swearing by a vow that does nothing to help keep it.

Does Moses say, "Do not swear an oath at all"?

Taking an oath by yea, or nay, is not swearing with an oath of many words from heaven above, hell beneath, and on my dear mother's grave...

Saying "yea" or "nay" isn't swearing an oath. Swearing an oath is invoking a higher authority or principle.

Did Moses say, "Do not swear an oath at all"?

The different words alone tell the difference between taking an oath, and swearing a liturgy. And I'll no longer try to instruct you on why Missouri is the Show Me state.

Then instruct me on where Moses said, "Do not swear an oath at all".

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to RBD in post #274]

Nothing needs be said to make an oath within oneself, especially with LORD.

Irrelevant, since neither Jesus nor Moses is referring to taking an oath "within oneself".


"do not swear an oath at all"
---Jesus

Falsely quoting Jesus' words ends your fabricated argument of contradicting Moses.

Mat 5:34 But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:

I quote Jesus accurately since he ends with, "say either yea or nay; anything more than this is of evil." So two questions:

1. Did Moses say, "Do not swear an oath at all"?

2. If not, was Jehovah commanding Moses to allow the people to speak evil?

Jesus never commanded anyone not to ever swear an oath

"Do not swear at all.....Say either yea or nay, anything more than this is of evil."
(Matthew 5:34, 37)

Thou shalt fear the Lord thy God, and serve him, and shalt swear by his name.
(Deut. 6:13)

Thou shalt fear the Lord thy God; him shalt thou serve, and to him shalt thou cleave, and swear by his name.
(Deut 10:20)

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to RBD in post #279]

"Uncleanness" in Dt. 23:14 and "uncleanness" in Dt. 24:1 are the same word (עֶרְוַת). The uncleanness in 24:1 isn't specified as sexual, as it would be if the word there were "fornication" (וַיֶּזֶן). Thus, uncleanness doesn't have to be sexual even in marriage.

So said the adulterous Jews of Jesus' day

There's the "adulterous Jews" accusation again. It seems to be your main fallback.

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to RBD in post #263]

like Mohammed lying about the God of Abraham

How can you say with certainty that Mohammed was lying about the God of Abraham when he says that the God of Abraham has no son in a book and you believe that the God of Abraham does have a son because it's written in a book?

It's a matter of certain grammar, not of faith.

Mohammed not believing the God of Abraham is just simple unbelief shared by many in the world. The lie is Mohammed saying he speaks for the God of Abraham, and then says He does not beget a Son.

He makes the God of Abraham a liar, when He says He does beget a Son. He also shows that Allah, who does not beget a Son, is not the God of Abraham.

You make this claim, I ask you if you can back the claim up and you merely repeat it.

[RBD]

[Replying to RBD in post #272]

Sex may have to do with being an unclean soldier in camp. It has nothing to do with being an unclean spouse in divorce.

The uncleanness in Dt. 23:14 is about using the latrine, not about sex in camp. There's nothing sexual specified in the uncleanness of Dt. 23:14 or Dt. 24:1.

Dead horse.

Making the same point ends at some point.

[RBD]

[Replying to RBD in post #273]

Try a word by word comparison, and you'll see the difference between making a vow to keep, and swearing by a vow that does nothing to help keep it.

Does Moses say, "Do not swear an oath at all"?

Taking an oath by yea, or nay, is not swearing with an oath of many words from heaven above, hell beneath, and on my dear mother's grave...

Saying "yea" or "nay" isn't swearing an oath. Swearing an oath is invoking a higher authority or principle.

Did Moses say, "Do not swear an oath at all"?

The different words alone tell the difference between taking an oath, and swearing a liturgy. And I'll no longer try to instruct you on why Missouri is the Show Me state.

Then instruct me on where Moses said, "Do not swear an oath at all".

Neither Moses nor Jesus says so.

I'll not continue so long as you keep lying about what Jesus says.

[RBD]

"Do not swear at all.....Say either yea or nay, anything more than this is of evil."
(Matthew 5:34, 37)

Thou shalt fear the Lord thy God, and serve him, and shalt swear by his name.
(Deut. 6:13)

Thou shalt fear the Lord thy God; him shalt thou serve, and to him shalt thou cleave, and swear by his name.
(Deut 10:20)

Deu 6:13 Thou shalt fear the LORD thy God, and serve him, and shalt swear by his name.

Mat 5:33 Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths:
But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne: Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King. Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.

But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.

Deut 6 establishes that every oath we take, is owed to God, because it is heard by God who judges every person's word and work.

Jesus is rebuking the dishonest practice of swearing by other things than God's name, so as not to foreswear ourselves with God Himself. He points out that no matter what we swear by, God is still the Judge. Hence, swearing by heaven includes God on His throne, by earth includes God on His footstool, by Jerusalem includes God the King, by our own head includes God the Creator...

Once again, the spirit of the law is being confirmed with the letter: Any oath we swear is unto God, and swearing by other things does not escape God's judgment, nor does it make our oaths any more or less important.

Your effort to find fault in letters, continues to show your blindness to the spirit of the law. The legal Jews rejected their own promised Messiah, because they trusted in the letter of His law alone, while denying His Spirit, especially in the matter of circumcision:

Rom 2:28For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.


I've asked you enough times if you are either an anti-NT Jew, or Gentile proselyte, because you continue to display their same old errors with the letter, while remaining blind to the Spirit. That's why I've also asked enough times if you agree that Jesus profaned the Sabbath, by healing the sick and delivering the possessed.

In any case, like the natural man, the legal man misses the spirit of the law, by clinging to the letter alone.