Most Christians are "Christian" Because they were Indoctrinated as Children

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Most Christians are "Christian" Because they were Indoctrinated as Children

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In the post "Christians: aren't you embarrassed and angry?" posting.php?mode=quote&f=8&p=1073778
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When they finally "get it" and realize most of them are Christians mainly because of childhood indoctrination and step out of the bondage of fantasy they were taught at an early age, then they are embarrassed or angry or both. ... and it has little to do with the reasons stated in post #1.
This suggests the current topic, 'Most Christians are "Christian" Because they were Indoctrinated as Children.'

In support of this proposition I quote from the Southern Nazarene University website,
http://home.snu.edu/~hculbert/ages.htm where they claim 85% of Christians have their conversion experience ("are saved") at ages 4 to 14 and only 4% after the age of 30.

Parenthetically I note the human brain does not fully develop until about age 25.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3621648/
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marke wrote: Thu Mar 06, 2025 4:01 am
Marke: I was brought up in a Southern Baptist home to believe the Bible but I did not get saved until I was 18 years old and what I came to believe and understand after I got saved was quite different than what I believed as a child.
If you do truly believe the bible, why is it that you have not acknowledged so much about what Jesus said and did?
For examples, the many warnings that he gave about riches?

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oldbadger wrote: Thu Mar 06, 2025 10:07 am
marke wrote: Thu Mar 06, 2025 4:01 am
Marke: I was brought up in a Southern Baptist home to believe the Bible but I did not get saved until I was 18 years old and what I came to believe and understand after I got saved was quite different than what I believed as a child.
If you do truly believe the bible, why is it that you have not acknowledged so much about what Jesus said and did?
For examples, the many warnings that he gave about riches?
Marke: I no longer think like I did before I got saved and I no longer stumble over scriptures that unbelievers have all sorts of problems with.

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marke wrote: Thu Mar 06, 2025 10:47 am I no longer think like I did before I got saved and I no longer stumble over scriptures that unbelievers have all sorts of problems with.
That's great to hear! I stumble over Matthew 27:52-53 a bit. Since you no longer stumble, because you are a believer and that makes you not stumble presumably, please clarify.

Matthew 27:52-53
New King James Version
52 and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; 53 and coming out of the graves after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many.

and

Psalm 137:9
New King James Version
9 Happy the one who takes and dashes
Your little ones against the rock!
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marke wrote: Thu Mar 06, 2025 10:47 am
Marke: I no longer think like I did before I got saved and I no longer stumble over scriptures that unbelievers have all sorts of problems with.
Do you stumble over what Jesus says about gathering mammon and riches to self whilst ignoring the needs of the poor?

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Clownboat wrote: Thu Mar 06, 2025 4:33 pm
marke wrote: Thu Mar 06, 2025 10:47 am I no longer think like I did before I got saved and I no longer stumble over scriptures that unbelievers have all sorts of problems with.
That's great to hear! I stumble over Matthew 27:52-53 a bit. Since you no longer stumble, because you are a believer and that makes you not stumble presumably, please clarify.

Matthew 27:52-53
New King James Version
52 and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; 53 and coming out of the graves after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many.

and

Psalm 137:9
New King James Version
9 Happy the one who takes and dashes
Your little ones against the rock!
Marke: As an appropriate application of Psalm 137:9 in our modern world where Palestinians burned Jewish babies alive in microwaves and beheaded them a similar message to the bloody murdering Palestinians could be: "Not happy shall he be who murders all the Jews in the world but happy shall he be who murders your babies instead for your depraved insanity."

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oldbadger wrote: Fri Mar 07, 2025 1:25 am
marke wrote: Thu Mar 06, 2025 10:47 am
Marke: I no longer think like I did before I got saved and I no longer stumble over scriptures that unbelievers have all sorts of problems with.
Do you stumble over what Jesus says about gathering mammon and riches to self whilst ignoring the needs of the poor?
Marke: I believe all scriptures apply to me. I give a good percentage of my meager income to the poor but I do not support the Marxist idea of confiscating the billions of hoarded wealth of American politicians and others to give to the poor so I do not have to give of my own earnings.

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marke wrote: Fri Mar 07, 2025 3:54 am
Marke: I believe all scriptures apply to me. I give a good percentage of my meager income to the poor but I do not support the Marxist idea of confiscating the billions of hoarded wealth of American politicians and others to give to the poor so I do not have to give of my own earnings.
Mark 10:21
Jesus told the young man ,'Sell your riches and give to the poor'.

I wonder what all those rich billionaires do with their thousands of millions of dollars........ Worship them?

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oldbadger wrote: Fri Mar 07, 2025 4:36 am
marke wrote: Fri Mar 07, 2025 3:54 am
Marke: I believe all scriptures apply to me. I give a good percentage of my meager income to the poor but I do not support the Marxist idea of confiscating the billions of hoarded wealth of American politicians and others to give to the poor so I do not have to give of my own earnings.
Mark 10:21
Jesus told the young man ,'Sell your riches and give to the poor'.

I wonder what all those rich billionaires do with their thousands of millions of dollars........ Worship them?
Marke: I am satisfied that God approves of my giving.

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[Replying to Diogenes in post #1]

Unchurched
"Knew God" at 4
Joined church at 30
Chose to believe scriptures.
Lived the Christian life
Don't believe scripture
Nothing is different. God didn't change.

There is one difference. I know the scriptures. Intimately. I have the playbook.

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marke wrote: Fri Mar 07, 2025 5:14 pm
Marke: I am satisfied that God approves of my giving.
Your God might be, but if he exists I wonder what he would think about your opinions in connection with community help for the sick, homeless, unemployed and more?

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