Three Resurrection Questions

[Perspectivo]

1 Why did people believe John the Baptist rose from the dead?

2 If they were wrong about John's resurrection were they wrong about Jesus's?

3 If they were right about Jesus's resurrection were they right about John's?


1 When Paul and Barnabas performed miracles in a non-Jewish setting, the people interpreted the miracles with their cultural beliefs: Barnabas is Jupiter and Paul Mercurius, Acts 14:12-22.
When Jesus performs miracles in a Jewish setting,Herod as well as others said, "John the Baptist must be resurrected to have such powers", Matthew 14:2, Luke 9:7. There is nothing in 1st century Jewish cultural beliefs to support this conclusion. Their cultural beliefs would have assumed a miracle maker was a prophet.

2 If John didn't rise from the dead, even though people were saying he did, why should Jesus' resurrection be accepted just because people were saying he did? Maybe the original rumor inspired the latter.

3 If people were correct about Jesus' resurrection since it had multiple attestation, were they correct about John's resurrection since it had multiple attestation? The Bible doesn't say John didn't rise from the dead.

[Perspectivo]

[Replying to Perspectivo in post #8]

Why believe anyone ever actually rose from the actual dead at all?

Rumors were widely circulating that John rose from the dead. The rumors had multiple attestation: people were saying it, the government was saying it, and people thought Jesus was John. There's no reported case of people arguing against John's resurrection.

When rumors of Jesus's resurrection started circulating, people doubted it Matthew 28:17, the government didn't believe it Acts 26:19 , and people argued argued against it, Matthew 28:15.

I haven't been vouching for a resurrection.


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[POI]

[Replying to Perspectivo in post #11]

My follow up question is either directed to you, or anyone who believes anyone ever rose from the dead. Based upon your response(s), I'm assuming you too do not believe anyone ever rose from the dead?

Allow me to clarify. If we were engaging politics, I'd first like to know if you planted your flag upon a side. For example, in the U.S., I'd ask you if you were "right" or "left" or in the middle somewhere? Knowing your position alleviates possible misunderstanding with some responses.

[Perspectivo]

1 Why did people believe John the Baptist rose from the dead?

Jesus’ ministry began right as John’s ended, and there were clear similarities between the two of them. They were both wandering Jewish preachers who focused on repentance, faith, and the kingdom of God. They were also biologically related.

As John’s death became publicized, people who had never met either of the men could easily start a rumor that Jesus was John; that John had risen from the dead or not really died in the first place. Like things of this nature, this rumor seems to have died out rather quickly. We could compare it to the claim that Jesus rose from the dead. Unlike the rumor that John rose from the dead, the claim of Jesus’ resurrection has lasted for centuries.

2 If they were wrong about John's resurrection were they wrong about Jesus's?

There is no logical way to support that connection. It would be like saying, “Since Houston, Texas has an NBA team, does that mean Fort Worth does as well?” In logic, this is called a non-sequitur.

3 If they were right about Jesus's resurrection were they right about John's?

Again, this is a non-sequitur. Both claims could be true or false. Neither claim affects the other.

Ok, you said Jesus and John were related and similar, ergo people thought John rose from the dead. I'm unaware of such a custum in Judaism. Seems like they could distinguish between related and similar, versus resurrection of the dead.

Then you call it a non-sequitur. So I've been defeated. Well done

[Perspectivo]

[Replying to Perspectivo in post #11]

My follow up question is either directed to you, or anyone who believes anyone ever rose from the dead. Based upon your response(s), I'm assuming you too do not believe anyone ever rose from the dead?

Allow me to clarify. If we were engaging politics, I'd first like to know if you planted your flag upon a side. For example, in the U.S., I'd ask you if you were "right" or "left" or in the middle somewhere?

Apparently, I haven't articulated myself clearly. My apologies, I'll try to be more precise.


Yep, I'm a Christian. I believe and vigorously affirm the resurrection.

[POI]

Yep, I'm a Christian. I believe and vigorously affirm the resurrection.

Great. Thank you. Then here is my precise position regarding this topic. It matters not whether there was confusion or other... The larger question remains....

Why believe anyone ever actually rose from the actual dead at all?

[Perspectivo]

Yep, I'm a Christian. I believe and vigorously affirm the resurrection.

Great. Thank you. Then here is my precise position regarding this topic. It matters not whether there was confusion or other... The larger question remains....

Why believe anyone ever actually rose from the actual dead at all?

For religious reasons. That's why I believe Jesus rose from the dead. Were it not for religious reasons I wouldn't believe in it at all. If I weren't religious, what material gain would I receive for believing in the resurrection? Does Walmart have Christian coupons that I'm unaware of?

[bjs1]

Ok, you said Jesus and John were related and similar, ergo people thought John rose from the dead. I'm unaware of such a custum in Judaism. Seems like they could distinguish between related and similar, versus resurrection of the dead.

I didn’t claim there was a Jewish custom. This just seems to be the way rumors work. People with limited knowledge make stuff up. If it is interesting, it will stick for a while. Eventually the truth catches up and the rumor dies off. We can all think of many examples of rumors that worked this way, both in our personal lives and on a larger scale.

Then you call it a non-sequitur. So I've been defeated. Well done

Ok. You could try to show the logical steps between one claim and the other, but you do you.

[POI]

[Replying to Perspectivo in post #16]

Please explain what you mean by 'religious reasons' here viewtopic.php?t=42302

[Perspectivo]

[Replying to bjs1 in post #17]

People were saying John the Baptist rose from the dead, Luke 9:7. A tetrarch was also saying it, Matthew 14:2. The disciples told Jesus people thought he was John, Matthew 16:14. People were saying John rose from the dead. The government was saying John rose from the dead. People thought Jesus, who they could see and ask, was John.

There is no reported case of people arguing against John's resurrection.

When rumors of Jesus's resurrection started circulating, people doubted it, Matthew 28:17, the government didn't believe it, Acts 26:19, and people argued against it, Matthew 28:15.

You can dismiss this as a non-sequitur. You can call it a preposterous coincidence if you want.

[Perspectivo]

[Replying to Perspectivo in post #16]

Please explain what you mean by 'religious reasons' here viewtopic.php?t=42302

Please can we stop.
You've been sarcastic with me, and I returned the sarcasm. Its not amusing anymore.
Please and thank you