Christians: Does this embarrass you?

[Avoice]

Christians: Do you ever feel like you have been left 'holding the bag' having to defend the Christian Testament? Forced to come up with all sorts of torturous explanations to defend the writings of your religion? Respond to the following:
EXAMPLE:

BELOW IS QUOTE FROM GALATIONS AND THE PASSAGE IN GENESIS THAT GALATIANS REFERS TO.

"But the promises were spoken to Abraham and his seed. He does not say, And unto seeds, as of many; but as of one; And thy seed, which is Christ."

"Sojourn in this land, and I will be with thee, and will bless thee; for unto thee, and unto thy seed, I will give all these countries, and I will perform the oath which I sware unto Abraham thy father. And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed"

THE CLAIM: Galatians claims that it says seed not seeds. Therefore it means one seed meaning Jesus.
THE PROBLEM: In Hebrew, the word seed is written the same in the singular and the plural: ZERA. The same way the word sheep in English is the same for singular and plural.

THE QUESTION FOR CHRISTIANS: How do you defend Galations that claims if it meant more than one seed it would have said it. As if the word ZERA would say ZERAS if it meant plural. NO IT WOULDNT.
How does it feel having to conjuring up some explanation to save the ignorant writer of Galatians who didn't know that the word seed in Hebrew is the same in singular and in the plural

CHRISTIANS: YOU HAVE BEEN DECEIVED. ARE YOU ANGRY WITH ME FOR SHOWING YOU OR ANGRY THAT THE WRITER OF GALATIANS USED DECEPTION TO MAKE YOU BELIEVE?

[servant1]

[Replying to Clownboat in post #130]


What are you a joker?

[Clownboat]

[Replying to Clownboat in post #130]
What are you a joker?

You tell me!

Post 128 = Servant1 - "Your lack of understanding truth is the problem."
Post 130 = Clownboat - "Sorry, but your lack of understanding of truth is the problem."

There is a reason for why I followed up my post with this: "Your way of debate is super easy!"

[RBD]

[Replying to RBD in post #123]

No, any prophecy that cannot possibly be physically nor spiritually true, is myth. Such as the myths of Mesopotamia, Greece, Rome, Babylon, etc... along with Aesop's fables.

Who are you to judge whose myths are or aren't spiritually true?

I am me to judge no myth is true. Others can judge any myth to be true.

As for not being physically true, Genesis 1 arguably falls into that catagory.

And so you judge it. I judge it to be true.

Inerrancy of the Bible allows for intellgient belief in all the Author says, especially that He is the true Creator of all things. Also, that anything contrary to His words of truth are only lies, myth, and vain imaginations of men and women on earth.

1Ti 1:4Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.

2Pe 1:16For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.

Rom 1:21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

We know that Prophet had not come to the children of Israel before Jesus.

Jhn 1:25 And they asked him, and said unto him, Why baptizest thou then, if thou be not that Christ, nor Elias, neither that prophet?

Again, you go to a Christian source to try to justify Christian sources.

I go to the Bible to teach what the Bible says, when the question is about what the Bible says. I don't read anywhere in the Bible before Jesus coming, that Jews had even questioned if Messiah had come, much less believed Messiah had come.

The only person in the Bible, that is ever questioned to be, believed to be, or declared to be Messiah, is Jesus Christ. (Other than John the Baptist, who denied he was Messiah several times...)

We also know many Jews believed He was that prophet.

Jhn 6:14 Then those men, when they had seen the miracle that Jesus did, said, This is of a truth that prophet that should come into the world.

Many Jews believed that Simon bar Kochba was the Messiah.

I don't read in the Bible of any Messiah called Simon bar Kobcha, nor of anyone in the Bible believing on him. I only believe and teach the Bible, not failed Jewish rebellions or myths.

I do know that any other Messiah spoken of in the Bible, other than Jesus Christ, is a false Messiah warned by Him, that should come after Him in his own name:

Jhn 5:43I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

Such as this Simon person gathering zealots to rebel against Rome, and temporarily carving out his own little Jeiwsh state for himself. (Which is typical of fanatical religious people with fale messiah-complex). Since then, there have been other messiahs believed and proclaimed by anti-NT Jews, who were not so militarily and politically motivated.

And finally the witnesses of Jesus' resurrection declared Him to be that Prophet

.....you assume, because the Christian Bible declares that he was resurrected.

No, I don't assume anything. I reasonably judge by the inerrancy of the Bible, that the Book can be true. And since it is inerrant, then it must either all be true, or all be false. Therefore, I first believed Jesus Christ is risen from the dead by the Book, but now I know He is true by doing as the Book commands to know Him.

Acts{3:19} Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:

Jhn 17:3And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

1Jo 5:20And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

[servant1]

[Replying to Clownboat in post #132]

You best learn what Jesus taught and believe him over false dogmas.

[Clownboat]

[Replying to Clownboat in post #132]

You best learn what Jesus taught and believe him over false dogmas.

Jesus didn't write anything down, therefore it is impossible to know what he might have taught.
More importantly, everyone knows that Muhammed can beat up Jesus, so learn what he taught and quit believing false dogma. Don't even get me started on what Buddha did to Jesus, that is just embarrassing!

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to RBD in post #133]

I go to the Bible to teach what the Bible says

You go to the Christian Bible to try to teach what the Jewish Bible says.

I don't read anywhere in the Bible before Jesus coming, that Jews had even questioned if Messiah had come, much less believed Messiah had come.

That's irrelevant. Even if Jesus of Nazareth was the first person in history to be accepted by anyone as the Jewish Messiah, that doesn't mean that he was.

The only person in the Bible, that is ever questioned to be, believed to be, or declared to be Messiah, is Jesus Christ. (Other than John the Baptist, who denied he was Messiah several times...)

John also denies that he is Elijah.
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I reasonably judge by the inerrancy of the Bible, that the Book can be true.

But, again, you have to begin with the assumption that it's inerrant.

[servant1]

[Replying to Clownboat in post #135]


Clown is a good handle for you.

[Clownboat]

[Replying to Clownboat in post #135]


Clown is a good handle for you.

What I'm doing is emulating the way you reply to posts.

Here is one example I have shown you twice now:
Post 128 = Servant1 - "Your lack of understanding truth is the problem."
Post 130 = Clownboat - "Sorry, but your lack of understanding of truth is the problem."

I'm trying to discourage you from continuing with your one liners that are against the rules and I'm hoping that you will at some point begin to ask debate questions and respond to things that are actually said here.

An inability to self-reflect can be a symptom of a number of conditions, including psychiatric disorders, autism, and fear of vulnerability. People who lack self-awareness may have difficulty recognizing their own role in problems, and may have trouble learning from their mistakes.

Be well!

[servant1]

[Replying to Clownboat in post #138]


You have yet to say a bible truth. The light will not penetrate your darkness because you use altered translations altered by satans will.

[Clownboat]

[Replying to Clownboat in post #138]


You have yet to say a bible truth. The light will not penetrate your darkness because you use altered translations altered by satans will.

I had no idea that my darkness was so much more powerful than this light you speak of. Even an almost dead flashlight can brighten darkness and your light cannot even penetrate my darkness! This is a weakness of your light don't you think or am I really as powerful as you suggest?

Perhaps you are right and I should I change my name to 'Super Clownboat'. Or perhaps 'Clownboat that makes the light his (B word)'. Nah, that is too wordy. I know, 'Supreme Light Defeating Clownboat the Destroyer of Creators Light'! You may now call me such.

Thanks for opening my eyes to the true power I have. Creator Gods cannot even compete with my darkness! Whimps, all of them, according to you!