Christians: Does this embarrass you?

[Avoice]

Christians: Do you ever feel like you have been left 'holding the bag' having to defend the Christian Testament? Forced to come up with all sorts of torturous explanations to defend the writings of your religion? Respond to the following:
EXAMPLE:

BELOW IS QUOTE FROM GALATIONS AND THE PASSAGE IN GENESIS THAT GALATIANS REFERS TO.

"But the promises were spoken to Abraham and his seed. He does not say, And unto seeds, as of many; but as of one; And thy seed, which is Christ."

"Sojourn in this land, and I will be with thee, and will bless thee; for unto thee, and unto thy seed, I will give all these countries, and I will perform the oath which I sware unto Abraham thy father. And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed"

THE CLAIM: Galatians claims that it says seed not seeds. Therefore it means one seed meaning Jesus.
THE PROBLEM: In Hebrew, the word seed is written the same in the singular and the plural: ZERA. The same way the word sheep in English is the same for singular and plural.

THE QUESTION FOR CHRISTIANS: How do you defend Galations that claims if it meant more than one seed it would have said it. As if the word ZERA would say ZERAS if it meant plural. NO IT WOULDNT.
How does it feel having to conjuring up some explanation to save the ignorant writer of Galatians who didn't know that the word seed in Hebrew is the same in singular and in the plural

CHRISTIANS: YOU HAVE BEEN DECEIVED. ARE YOU ANGRY WITH ME FOR SHOWING YOU OR ANGRY THAT THE WRITER OF GALATIANS USED DECEPTION TO MAKE YOU BELIEVE?

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to Athetotheist in post #36]

Show the exact passage in Gal please, there was no deception, its you twisting it to unreality.

"But the promises were spoken to Abraham and his seed. He does not say, And unto seeds, as of many; but as of one; And thy seed, which is Christ."
(Gal. 3:16)

[servant1]

[Replying to Clownboat in post #40]


There is nothing unpeaceable in my post. I state facts that i have studied for many years.

[servant1]

[Replying to Athetotheist in post #41]

There is nothing wrong in what is said there. Jesus came through that seed.( Abraham)

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to Athetotheist in post #41]

There is nothing wrong in what is said there. Jesus came through that seed.( Abraham)

Paul claims that Jehovah says seed meaning "one" and not seeds meaning "many".

In the text of Genesis, Jehovah says seed meaning "many".

What Paul writes is incorrect.

[Clownboat]

[Replying to Clownboat in post #40]
There is nothing unpeaceable in my post. I state facts that i have studied for many years.

You only believe you are stating facts though, such a thing has yet to be confirmed. Now it is true you are making statements, but what you are not doing is participating in debating. You know, the site you signed up for and agreed to abide by the rules. If atheists, agnostics and ignostics can do it, you should also be able I would think.

So, once again...
For example, a person might say:
"It is illogical for an all powerful God to create a message meant for every human, only to then require pastors, priests and theologians to interpret the said message".

If you take issue with such a statement, this is a place to voice your issue and explain why you feel that your position is valid. Shouting Allahu Akbar (or just claiming you are stating facts) in reply would be an example of not debating and is behavior reserved for street corners.

[servant1]

[Replying to Athetotheist in post #44]


You are just twisting what is said. Jesus appointed Paul, God chose Paul as a bible book writer, they are 100% in harmony always.

[servant1]

[Replying to Clownboat in post #45]


Its not up to mortals to interpret the bible on their own. Jesus promised to send holy spirit to guide his teachers into all truth. And he does, through these-Matt 24:45-found in 1 single religion, not hundreds of different ones. The other 99% are interpreting on their own and have caused the mass of confusion. It takes believing Jesus over dogmas to find his 1 religion.

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to Athetotheist in post #44]


You are just twisting what is said. Jesus appointed Paul, God chose Paul as a bible book writer, they are 100% in harmony always.

Read it for yourself. How am I misrepresenting----or "twisting"----what it plainly says?

You're assuming that Paul is correct because he was a Christian writer. That makes your argument circular. The same could be done to explain away any inconsistency in any text from any other organized religion.

[Clownboat]

[Replying to Athetotheist in post #44]
You are just twisting what is said. Jesus appointed Paul, God chose Paul as a bible book writer, they are 100% in harmony always.

You couldn't be more wrong. Jesus would be rolling in his grave if he had known what Paul was writing.

Now for the evidence to show the truth of my words:
Rom 13:12 Paul says: the night is far gone, the day is at hand.
Luke 21:8 Jesus Says: Take heed that you are not led astray, for many will come in my name saying, the time is at hand! Do not go after them.

Rom 14:9 Paul says: For to this end Christ died and lived again, that he might be Lord both of the dead and of the living.
Luke 20:38 Jesus says: Now he is not God of the dead, but of the living, for all live to him.

Rom 9:15-16 +18 Paul says: For he says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion." [16] So it depends not upon man's will or exertion, but upon God's mercy. [18] So then he has mercy upon whomever he wills, and he hardens the heart of whomever he wills.
Matt 5:7 Jesus says: Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy.

Eph 1:7 Paul says: In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace.
Matt 6:14-15 Jesus says: For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father also will forgive you, [15] but if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

Rom 5:9 Paul says: Since, therefore, we are now justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God.
Matt 12:37 Jesus says: for by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.

Rom 6:23 Paul says: For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal live in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Matt 19:29 Jesus says: And every one who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or lands, for my name's sake, will receive a hundredfold, and inherit eternal life.

1 Cor 4:15 Paul says: For though you have countless guides in Christ, you do not have many fathers. For I became your father in Christ Jesus through the gospel.
Matt 23:9 Jesus says: And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven.

I could go on and on, but like I said, Jesus would be rolling in his grave if he knew what Paul did to his message and you have been shown to be wrong that they are 100% in harmony.

[Clownboat]

[Replying to Clownboat in post #45]
Its not up to mortals to interpret the bible on their own.

And yet, that is how we got to where we are.
Again, it is illogical for an all powerful God to create a message meant for every human, only to require pastors, priests and theologians to then interpret the said message.

Some humans will try to justify that they understand things correctly by claiming a Holy Spirit gave them the correct understanding. I would like to note that I still have the ability from the Holy Spirit to speak in tongues. So readers, do with that as you will, but it has nothing to do with the logical statement I made above about an all powerful God and its message that is intended for all.