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Apologetics: reasoned arguments or writings in justification of something, typically a theory or religious doctrine.

For Debate: Please prove Jesus was not the devil in disguise. I say Jesus was actually the devil. I'll state my case below...

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This topic is created to demonstrate how any believer, in virtually any applied supernaturalness, can assert many things which cannot be falsified.

Below is my case. But being that apologetics is fun, I too have the right to pivot and move the goalposts, as needed, to retain my position: :approve:

P1: The devil exists
P2: The devil has superhuman abilities
P3: The devil's aim is to deceive humans. What better way to do this than to get millions/billions of humans to worship a false God, which breaks the 1st Commandment.
P4: God is not currently suppressing the devil

Okay, this should be enough to get us started. So please prove that Jesus was not the devil all along...
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1213 wrote: Thu Jan 23, 2025 1:06 am
POI wrote: Wed Jan 22, 2025 6:52 am ...Following Jesus would be to follow a false prophet.
Sorry to interrupt, but please explain why do you think so?
Already explained in the OP.
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POI wrote: Thu Jan 23, 2025 10:45 am
1213 wrote: Thu Jan 23, 2025 1:06 am
POI wrote: Wed Jan 22, 2025 6:52 am ...Following Jesus would be to follow a false prophet.
Sorry to interrupt, but please explain why do you think so?
Already explained in the OP.
Hmmm... I don't think it shows in any way Jesus being false prophet. Can you explain why do you think he is?

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1213 wrote: Fri Jan 24, 2025 5:22 am Hmmm... I don't think it shows in any way Jesus being false prophet.
Then please challenge one or some of the given premises in the original post. Otherwise, you are issuing nothing more than a nu-huh response.
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POI wrote: Fri Jan 24, 2025 5:44 am
1213 wrote: Fri Jan 24, 2025 5:22 am Hmmm... I don't think it shows in any way Jesus being false prophet.
Then please challenge one or some of the given premises in the original post. Otherwise, you are issuing nothing more than a nu-huh response.
I don't think you give any point in the original post against Jesus. You say:

P1: The devil exists
P2: The devil has superhuman abilities
P3: The devil's aim is to deceive humans. What better way to do this than to get millions/billions of humans to worship a false God, which breaks the 1st Commandment.
P4: God is not currently suppressing the devil

I believe P1 is true and it is what is said in the Bible. I think devil also has powers that most people don't have. And I agree that devil tries to deceive people.

I have no reason to believe God is not suppressing devil, for example because I am here writing.

Jesus is not deceiving anyone, therefore he is not acting like the devil.

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1213 wrote: Sun Jan 26, 2025 4:25 am
POI wrote: Fri Jan 24, 2025 5:44 am
1213 wrote: Fri Jan 24, 2025 5:22 am Hmmm... I don't think it shows in any way Jesus being false prophet.
Then please challenge one or some of the given premises in the original post. Otherwise, you are issuing nothing more than a nu-huh response.
I don't think you give any point in the original post against Jesus. You say:

P1: The devil exists
P2: The devil has superhuman abilities
P3: The devil's aim is to deceive humans. What better way to do this than to get millions/billions of humans to worship a false God, which breaks the 1st Commandment.
P4: God is not currently suppressing the devil

I believe P1 is true and it is what is said in the Bible. I think devil also has powers that most people don't have. And I agree that devil tries to deceive people.

I have no reason to believe God is not suppressing devil, for example because I am here writing.

Jesus is not deceiving anyone, therefore he is not acting like the devil.
You just gave another nu-huh response.
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POI wrote: Sun Jan 26, 2025 2:18 pm You just gave another nu-huh response.
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So, you don't claim Jesus deceives anyone?

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1213 wrote: Mon Jan 27, 2025 1:06 am
POI wrote: Sun Jan 26, 2025 2:18 pm You just gave another nu-huh response.
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So, you don't claim Jesus deceives anyone?
My claim is that the devil is tricking you. Can you disprove it?
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POI wrote: Mon Jan 27, 2025 5:56 am
1213 wrote: Mon Jan 27, 2025 1:06 am
POI wrote: Sun Jan 26, 2025 2:18 pm You just gave another nu-huh response.
:D

So, you don't claim Jesus deceives anyone?
My claim is that the devil is tricking you. Can you disprove it?
You would first have to say, how is he tricking me?

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1213 wrote: Tue Jan 28, 2025 1:34 am
POI wrote: Mon Jan 27, 2025 5:56 am
1213 wrote: Mon Jan 27, 2025 1:06 am
POI wrote: Sun Jan 26, 2025 2:18 pm You just gave another nu-huh response.
:D

So, you don't claim Jesus deceives anyone?
My claim is that the devil is tricking you. Can you disprove it?
You would first have to say, how is he tricking me?
Already explained in the premises you already acknowledged.
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POI wrote: Tue Jan 28, 2025 3:48 am
1213 wrote: Tue Jan 28, 2025 1:34 am You would first have to say, how is he tricking me?
Already explained in the premises you already acknowledged.
I don't think you have said anything that shows Jesus tricked someone. If you disagree, please explain how he tricked and in what.

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