Does intelligence need to be redefined?

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Does intelligence need to be redefined?

[The Barbarian]

Democrats minimize the flaws of corrupt democrats and maximize the flaws or level false accusations against republicans.

My goodness. And you're telling us that republicans don't? Seriously? C'mon.

Along with a long history of voting fraud, that is the common democrat way.

There have been a pack of people indicted for election fraud. Want to make a guess as to the proportion of democrats to republicans? If you don't know or want to hazard a guess, I'll post some evidence for you. What do you have?

Voting fraud is rarely prosecuted and then usually only for the lesser infractions that crooks fail to successfully keep hidden.

There was a lot of crooked stuff going on, but as usual, election fraud tends to be caught:

PHOENIX (AP) — An Arizona grand jury has indicted former President Donald Trump ‘s chief of staff Mark Meadows, lawyer Rudy Giuliani and 16 others for their roles in an attempt to overturn Trump’s loss to Joe Biden in the 2020 election. The identities of seven other defendants, including Giuliani and Meadows, were not immediately released because they had not yet been served with the documents. They were readily identifiable based on descriptions of the defendants, however.

Trump himself was not charged but was referred to as an unindicted co-conspirator.

The indictment released Wednesday names 11 Republicans who submitted a document to Congress falsely declaring that Trump won Arizona in 2020. They include the former state party chair, a 2022 U.S. Senate candidate and two sitting state lawmakers, who are charged with nine counts each of conspiracy, fraud and forgery.
https://apnews.com/article/arizona-fake ... a55401af85

At least three of the 16 fake electors in Georgia have been indicted and face prosecution, while eight have agreed to immunity deals. Lieutenant Governor Burt Jones, who was a state senator at the time he allegedly falsified electoral certificates, is facing a special investigation by a state prosecutor.

A Michigan trial court is receiving ongoing witness testimony including from James Renner, a fake elector who entered a deal with the government. The remaining 15 fake electors may or may not be charged—notably, prosecutors must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the fake electors knew they were breaking the law when they signed the fraudulent certificates, and Renner has testified that he and the other defendants were unaware that what they were doing was illegal.

The case against Nevada’s six fake electors was dismissed on June 21, 2024 with the judge explaining that the cases needed to refiled in Douglas County, Nevada where the false electoral certificates were originally signed. The judge who dismissed the case without prejudice called the scheme “a crime that has occurred in another jurisdiction.”

In three other states, New Mexico, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, charges against the fake electors have not been filed. In both New Mexico and Pennsylvania the fake electors added a clause to their false electoral certificates saying that their votes should be counted only if a court found them to be valid electors. In Pennsylvania, that conditional clause makes it unlikely the fake electors will be criminally prosecuted, while the attorney general in New Mexico has explained that its state’s laws criminalizing forgery do not cover signing false electoral certificates. In Wisconsin, the individuals who delivered the fake electoral certificates to Congress have been indicted, but charges have not been filed against the fake electors themselves. Because the fake electors themselves have yet to face criminal accountability, Wisconsin is therefore noted not to have filed charges against its fake electors in this tracker.
https://www.citizensforethics.org/repor ... and/#table

Although erroneous claims questioning the Biden win persist, multiple reports by Newsweek and other outlets show that most of those charged with voter fraud were, in fact, Republican voters.

These included three Florida residents alleged to have cast multiple ballots and a Pennsylvania man who admitted he had registered his dead mother.

In October 2021, a Republican supporter from Nevada who claimed that someone else voted using his dead wife's name was himself charged with voter fraud, after prosecutors said he had submitted the fraudulent ballot.

These well-publicized cases have drawn plenty of attention, but Dash Dobrofsky is wrong to claim Democratic party supporters are entirely fault-free when it comes to voter fraud.

Admittedly, the numbers here are very low. Newsweek has found one known case of a Biden voter charged with voter fraud; Kelvin Bolton, a prisoner in North Florida, said he voted for the U.S. president following a series of prisoner outreach efforts of the Alachua County Supervisor of Elections.

https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-wer ... ud-1730592

Large, organized voter fraud schemes were exclusively by Trump supporters, but not all illegal voters were Trump supporters. Just most of them.

[marke]

Democrats minimize the flaws of corrupt democrats and maximize the flaws or level false accusations against republicans.

My goodness. And you're telling us that republicans don't? Seriously? C'mon.

Along with a long history of voting fraud, that is the common democrat way.

There have been a pack of people indicted for election fraud. Want to make a guess as to the proportion of democrats to republicans? If you don't know or want to hazard a guess, I'll post some evidence for you. What do you have?

Voting fraud is rarely prosecuted and then usually only for the lesser infractions that crooks fail to successfully keep hidden.

There was a lot of crooked stuff going on, but as usual, election fraud tends to be caught:

PHOENIX (AP) — An Arizona grand jury has indicted former President Donald Trump ‘s chief of staff Mark Meadows, lawyer Rudy Giuliani and 16 others for their roles in an attempt to overturn Trump’s loss to Joe Biden in the 2020 election. The identities of seven other defendants, including Giuliani and Meadows, were not immediately released because they had not yet been served with the documents. They were readily identifiable based on descriptions of the defendants, however.

Trump himself was not charged but was referred to as an unindicted co-conspirator.

The indictment released Wednesday names 11 Republicans who submitted a document to Congress falsely declaring that Trump won Arizona in 2020. They include the former state party chair, a 2022 U.S. Senate candidate and two sitting state lawmakers, who are charged with nine counts each of conspiracy, fraud and forgery.
https://apnews.com/article/arizona-fake ... a55401af85

At least three of the 16 fake electors in Georgia have been indicted and face prosecution, while eight have agreed to immunity deals. Lieutenant Governor Burt Jones, who was a state senator at the time he allegedly falsified electoral certificates, is facing a special investigation by a state prosecutor.

A Michigan trial court is receiving ongoing witness testimony including from James Renner, a fake elector who entered a deal with the government. The remaining 15 fake electors may or may not be charged—notably, prosecutors must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the fake electors knew they were breaking the law when they signed the fraudulent certificates, and Renner has testified that he and the other defendants were unaware that what they were doing was illegal.

The case against Nevada’s six fake electors was dismissed on June 21, 2024 with the judge explaining that the cases needed to refiled in Douglas County, Nevada where the false electoral certificates were originally signed. The judge who dismissed the case without prejudice called the scheme “a crime that has occurred in another jurisdiction.”

In three other states, New Mexico, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, charges against the fake electors have not been filed. In both New Mexico and Pennsylvania the fake electors added a clause to their false electoral certificates saying that their votes should be counted only if a court found them to be valid electors. In Pennsylvania, that conditional clause makes it unlikely the fake electors will be criminally prosecuted, while the attorney general in New Mexico has explained that its state’s laws criminalizing forgery do not cover signing false electoral certificates. In Wisconsin, the individuals who delivered the fake electoral certificates to Congress have been indicted, but charges have not been filed against the fake electors themselves. Because the fake electors themselves have yet to face criminal accountability, Wisconsin is therefore noted not to have filed charges against its fake electors in this tracker.
https://www.citizensforethics.org/repor ... and/#table

Although erroneous claims questioning the Biden win persist, multiple reports by Newsweek and other outlets show that most of those charged with voter fraud were, in fact, Republican voters.

These included three Florida residents alleged to have cast multiple ballots and a Pennsylvania man who admitted he had registered his dead mother.

In October 2021, a Republican supporter from Nevada who claimed that someone else voted using his dead wife's name was himself charged with voter fraud, after prosecutors said he had submitted the fraudulent ballot.

These well-publicized cases have drawn plenty of attention, but Dash Dobrofsky is wrong to claim Democratic party supporters are entirely fault-free when it comes to voter fraud.

Admittedly, the numbers here are very low. Newsweek has found one known case of a Biden voter charged with voter fraud; Kelvin Bolton, a prisoner in North Florida, said he voted for the U.S. president following a series of prisoner outreach efforts of the Alachua County Supervisor of Elections.

https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-wer ... ud-1730592

Large, organized voter fraud schemes were exclusively by Trump supporters, but not all illegal voters were Trump supporters. Just most of them.

There are charges like fake electors, wrong addresses, voting in violation of suspended rights and so forth. But the unrefuted evidence of massive democrat voting machine fraud, double voting, illegal voting, ballot harvesting, ballot box stuffing, and more still taint elections democrats won by suspicious, questionable, and unrefuted means.

[The Barbarian]

There was a lot of crooked stuff going on, but as usual, election fraud tends to be caught:

PHOENIX (AP) — An Arizona grand jury has indicted former President Donald Trump ‘s chief of staff Mark Meadows, lawyer Rudy Giuliani and 16 others for their roles in an attempt to overturn Trump’s loss to Joe Biden in the 2020 election. The identities of seven other defendants, including Giuliani and Meadows, were not immediately released because they had not yet been served with the documents. They were readily identifiable based on descriptions of the defendants, however.

Trump himself was not charged but was referred to as an unindicted co-conspirator.

The indictment released Wednesday names 11 Republicans who submitted a document to Congress falsely declaring that Trump won Arizona in 2020. They include the former state party chair, a 2022 U.S. Senate candidate and two sitting state lawmakers, who are charged with nine counts each of conspiracy, fraud and forgery.
https://apnews.com/article/arizona-fake ... a55401af85

At least three of the 16 fake electors in Georgia have been indicted and face prosecution, while eight have agreed to immunity deals. Lieutenant Governor Burt Jones, who was a state senator at the time he allegedly falsified electoral certificates, is facing a special investigation by a state prosecutor.

A Michigan trial court is receiving ongoing witness testimony including from James Renner, a fake elector who entered a deal with the government. The remaining 15 fake electors may or may not be charged—notably, prosecutors must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the fake electors knew they were breaking the law when they signed the fraudulent certificates, and Renner has testified that he and the other defendants were unaware that what they were doing was illegal.

The case against Nevada’s six fake electors was dismissed on June 21, 2024 with the judge explaining that the cases needed to refiled in Douglas County, Nevada where the false electoral certificates were originally signed. The judge who dismissed the case without prejudice called the scheme “a crime that has occurred in another jurisdiction.”

In three other states, New Mexico, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, charges against the fake electors have not been filed. In both New Mexico and Pennsylvania the fake electors added a clause to their false electoral certificates saying that their votes should be counted only if a court found them to be valid electors. In Pennsylvania, that conditional clause makes it unlikely the fake electors will be criminally prosecuted, while the attorney general in New Mexico has explained that its state’s laws criminalizing forgery do not cover signing false electoral certificates. In Wisconsin, the individuals who delivered the fake electoral certificates to Congress have been indicted, but charges have not been filed against the fake electors themselves. Because the fake electors themselves have yet to face criminal accountability, Wisconsin is therefore noted not to have filed charges against its fake electors in this tracker.
https://www.citizensforethics.org/repor ... and/#table

Although erroneous claims questioning the Biden win persist, multiple reports by Newsweek and other outlets show that most of those charged with voter fraud were, in fact, Republican voters.

These included three Florida residents alleged to have cast multiple ballots and a Pennsylvania man who admitted he had registered his dead mother.

In October 2021, a Republican supporter from Nevada who claimed that someone else voted using his dead wife's name was himself charged with voter fraud, after prosecutors said he had submitted the fraudulent ballot.

These well-publicized cases have drawn plenty of attention, but Dash Dobrofsky is wrong to claim Democratic party supporters are entirely fault-free when it comes to voter fraud.

Admittedly, the numbers here are very low. Newsweek has found one known case of a Biden voter charged with voter fraud; Kelvin Bolton, a prisoner in North Florida, said he voted for the U.S. president following a series of prisoner outreach efforts of the Alachua County Supervisor of Elections.

https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-wer ... ud-1730592

Large, organized voter fraud schemes were exclusively by Trump supporters, but not all illegal voters were Trump supporters. Just most of them.

There are charges like fake electors, wrong addresses, voting in violation of suspended rights and so forth. But the unrefuted evidence of massive democrat voting machine fraud, double voting, illegal voting, ballot harvesting, ballot box stuffing, and more still taint elections democrats won by suspicious, questionable, and unrefuted means.

Your problem is, no one can come up with the evidence for your beliefs. On the other hand, all those indicted republicans caught up in voting fraud, are facing undeniable evidence. You need more then just wishes to make your story believable. Some of Trump's underlings are paying the legal price for lying about supposed democrat fraud. That should be a wake-up for you.

[marke]

There was a lot of crooked stuff going on, but as usual, election fraud tends to be caught:

PHOENIX (AP) — An Arizona grand jury has indicted former President Donald Trump ‘s chief of staff Mark Meadows, lawyer Rudy Giuliani and 16 others for their roles in an attempt to overturn Trump’s loss to Joe Biden in the 2020 election. The identities of seven other defendants, including Giuliani and Meadows, were not immediately released because they had not yet been served with the documents. They were readily identifiable based on descriptions of the defendants, however.

Trump himself was not charged but was referred to as an unindicted co-conspirator.

The indictment released Wednesday names 11 Republicans who submitted a document to Congress falsely declaring that Trump won Arizona in 2020. They include the former state party chair, a 2022 U.S. Senate candidate and two sitting state lawmakers, who are charged with nine counts each of conspiracy, fraud and forgery.
https://apnews.com/article/arizona-fake ... a55401af85

At least three of the 16 fake electors in Georgia have been indicted and face prosecution, while eight have agreed to immunity deals. Lieutenant Governor Burt Jones, who was a state senator at the time he allegedly falsified electoral certificates, is facing a special investigation by a state prosecutor.

A Michigan trial court is receiving ongoing witness testimony including from James Renner, a fake elector who entered a deal with the government. The remaining 15 fake electors may or may not be charged—notably, prosecutors must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the fake electors knew they were breaking the law when they signed the fraudulent certificates, and Renner has testified that he and the other defendants were unaware that what they were doing was illegal.

The case against Nevada’s six fake electors was dismissed on June 21, 2024 with the judge explaining that the cases needed to refiled in Douglas County, Nevada where the false electoral certificates were originally signed. The judge who dismissed the case without prejudice called the scheme “a crime that has occurred in another jurisdiction.”

In three other states, New Mexico, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, charges against the fake electors have not been filed. In both New Mexico and Pennsylvania the fake electors added a clause to their false electoral certificates saying that their votes should be counted only if a court found them to be valid electors. In Pennsylvania, that conditional clause makes it unlikely the fake electors will be criminally prosecuted, while the attorney general in New Mexico has explained that its state’s laws criminalizing forgery do not cover signing false electoral certificates. In Wisconsin, the individuals who delivered the fake electoral certificates to Congress have been indicted, but charges have not been filed against the fake electors themselves. Because the fake electors themselves have yet to face criminal accountability, Wisconsin is therefore noted not to have filed charges against its fake electors in this tracker.
https://www.citizensforethics.org/repor ... and/#table

Although erroneous claims questioning the Biden win persist, multiple reports by Newsweek and other outlets show that most of those charged with voter fraud were, in fact, Republican voters.

These included three Florida residents alleged to have cast multiple ballots and a Pennsylvania man who admitted he had registered his dead mother.

In October 2021, a Republican supporter from Nevada who claimed that someone else voted using his dead wife's name was himself charged with voter fraud, after prosecutors said he had submitted the fraudulent ballot.

These well-publicized cases have drawn plenty of attention, but Dash Dobrofsky is wrong to claim Democratic party supporters are entirely fault-free when it comes to voter fraud.

Admittedly, the numbers here are very low. Newsweek has found one known case of a Biden voter charged with voter fraud; Kelvin Bolton, a prisoner in North Florida, said he voted for the U.S. president following a series of prisoner outreach efforts of the Alachua County Supervisor of Elections.

https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-wer ... ud-1730592

Large, organized voter fraud schemes were exclusively by Trump supporters, but not all illegal voters were Trump supporters. Just most of them.

There are charges like fake electors, wrong addresses, voting in violation of suspended rights and so forth. But the unrefuted evidence of massive democrat voting machine fraud, double voting, illegal voting, ballot harvesting, ballot box stuffing, and more still taint elections democrats won by suspicious, questionable, and unrefuted means.

Your problem is, no one can come up with the evidence for your beliefs. On the other hand, all those indicted republicans caught up in voting fraud, are facing undeniable evidence. You need more then just wishes to make your story believable. Some of Trump's underlings are paying the legal price for lying about supposed democrat fraud. That should be a wake-up for you.

Democrats have obstructed investigations into their voting fraud, they have covered up evidence, lied about the evidence and their involvement and turned the cameras away from their massive fraud and onto much lesser instances of fraud by others. Of course democrats make a show of taking their enemies to court in efforts to hide their own fraud, but they cannot refute the massive evidence of their fraud, particularly in 2020.

[The Barbarian]

Democrats have obstructed investigations into their voting fraud, they have covered up evidence, lied about the evidence and their involvement and turned the cameras away from their massive fraud and onto much lesser instances of fraud by others. Of course democrats make a show of taking their enemies to court in efforts to hide their own fraud, but they cannot refute the massive evidence of their fraud, particularly in 2020.

Your problem is, no one can come up with the evidence for your beliefs. On the other hand, all those indicted republicans caught up in voting fraud, are facing undeniable evidence. You need more then just wishes to make your story believable. Some of Trump's underlings are paying the legal price for lying about supposed democrat fraud. That should be a wake-up for you.

[marke]

Democrats have obstructed investigations into their voting fraud, they have covered up evidence, lied about the evidence and their involvement and turned the cameras away from their massive fraud and onto much lesser instances of fraud by others. Of course democrats make a show of taking their enemies to court in efforts to hide their own fraud, but they cannot refute the massive evidence of their fraud, particularly in 2020.

Your problem is, no one can come up with the evidence for your beliefs. On the other hand, all those indicted republicans caught up in voting fraud, are facing undeniable evidence. You need more then just wishes to make your story believable. Some of Trump's underlings are paying the legal price for lying about supposed democrat fraud. That should be a wake-up for you.

Crooks getting away with all sorts of crimes, including massive 2020 voting fraud, and innocent victims of leftist persecution being hauled into leftist courts by leftist prosecutors before a leftist judge and leftist jury do not prove the crooks are good and the innocent victims of leftists are bad.

[The Barbarian]

Democrats have obstructed investigations into their voting fraud, they have covered up evidence, lied about the evidence and their involvement and turned the cameras away from their massive fraud and onto much lesser instances of fraud by others. Of course democrats make a show of taking their enemies to court in efforts to hide their own fraud, but they cannot refute the massive evidence of their fraud, particularly in 2020.

Your problem is, no one can come up with the evidence for your beliefs. On the other hand, all those indicted republicans caught up in voting fraud, are facing undeniable evidence. You need more then just wishes to make your story believable. Some of Trump's underlings are paying the legal price for lying about supposed democrat fraud. That should be a wake-up for you.

Crooks getting away with all sorts of crimes, including massive 2020 voting fraud, and innocent victims of leftist persecution being hauled into leftist courts by leftist prosecutors before a leftist judge and leftist jury do not prove the crooks are good and the innocent victims of leftists are bad.

And when all the other excuses are debunked, we hear "They are all LYING!!! ALL OF THEM ARE LYING!!!"

Sure... Find some evidence to support your story and you'll have something to tell us.