Which American religion should I pick?
Seventh Day Adventist
Mormonism
Jehovahs Witness
Are there any more? Which one is correct?
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Post #1Proverbs 18:17 The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.
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Re: American religions
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An immaterial nothing creating a material something is as logically sound as square circles and married bachelors.
Unjustified Fact Claim(UFC) example - belief (of any sort) based on personal subjective experience. (Belief-based belief)
Justified Fact Claim(JFC) Example, The Earth is spherical in shape. (Knowledge-based belief)
Irrefutable Fact Claim (IFC) Example Humans in general experience some level of self-awareness. (Knowledge-based knowledge)
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Re: American religions
Post #12[Replying to Clownboat in post #10]
Well these seem knowabley false from their historical foundations in recent history.
Well these seem knowabley false from their historical foundations in recent history.
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Re: American religions
Post #13[Replying to 1213 in post #5]
The Jesus of the bible was Jewish and resticted his preaching to first century Palestine. That said, there are indicatons he wanted his message to spread beyond those borders to become a truly international, multiracial global religion.
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The Jesus of the bible was Jewish and resticted his preaching to first century Palestine. That said, there are indicatons he wanted his message to spread beyond those borders to become a truly international, multiracial global religion.
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Re: American religions
Post #14Are you contesting the claim that people arrive at a religion and then claim it to be correct? If so, please show how this is false as it seems self evident.Wootah wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2025 7:02 am [Replying to Clownboat in post #10]
Well these seem knowabley false from their historical foundations in recent history.
If you meant something else, it is unclear as to what you are referring to.
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Re: American religions
Post #15I think religions created in the 1800s are false literally on the basis of when they were created.Clownboat wrote: ↑Mon Jan 06, 2025 12:47 pmAre you contesting the claim that people arrive at a religion and then claim it to be correct? If so, please show how this is false as it seems self evident.Wootah wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2025 7:02 am [Replying to Clownboat in post #10]
Well these seem knowabley false from their historical foundations in recent history.
If you meant something else, it is unclear as to what you are referring to.
1863 Adventists
1870 JWs
1820s Mormonism
What happened at that time to create these new religions?
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Post #16I believe you are overthinking this. I say this because humans have been inventing gods and religions for all of known human history. That religions were still being created in the 1800's and beyond is just more evidence for the truth of this.
Some people that have picked one religion to call true are uncomfortable with this fact (that humans create gods and religions) because of what it suggest about their preferred religion.
If when a religion was invented had anything to do with the truth of said religion, we would all be Hindu.
Since we are not all Hindu, it would seem that when a religions was invented is meaningless.
Is there something that I'm missing?
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I blame man for codifying those rules into a book which allowed superstitious people to perpetuate a barbaric practice. Rules that must be followed or face an invisible beings wrath. - KenRU
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Post #17[Replying to Clownboat in post #16]
Well I think religions rise up in a context.
Why not examine the context.
Even Jesus appeared at a time when a Messiah was expected.
Well I think religions rise up in a context.
Why not examine the context.
Even Jesus appeared at a time when a Messiah was expected.
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Post #18[Replying to Wootah in post #17]
Jesus came along at a time when a messiah was fervently wanted because of the Roman occupation, but wouldn't----or at least shouldn't----have been expected because the Messiah is supposed to build a new temple (see Ezekiel) and at the time of Jesus the Jews had a temple.Even Jesus appeared at a time when a Messiah was expected.
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Post #19They had the temple they wanted but not the temple they needed. I like it.Athetotheist wrote: ↑Thu Jan 09, 2025 8:50 am [Replying to Wootah in post #17]
Jesus came along at a time when a messiah was fervently wanted because of the Roman occupation, but wouldn't----or at least shouldn't----have been expected because the Messiah is supposed to build a new temple (see Ezekiel) and at the time of Jesus the Jews had a temple.Even Jesus appeared at a time when a Messiah was expected.
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Re: American religions
Post #20God has promised to guide humble believers into all truth. Christians must pray to God for wisdom and not trust in human theologies.