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Replying to POI in post #30]
Please note what I stated in the OP:
"But being that apologetics is fun, I too have the right to pivot and move the goalposts, as needed, to retain my position:
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I do note that, while also noting that to do so is a debate fallacy. BY all means continue to move the goalposts - even off the field if you will. If that is the best you can do to maintain the illusion of success re you position, then you also have the right to ignore that dynamic and be in your world of pretend. DOing so does not change the strength of my position against your own.
Why, you can even give me the silent treatment (ignore me) as the Jehovah's Witnesses did in
this thread because of
this post.
Giving yourself the right to move goalposts is a fallacy because it does not correctly define what apologetics is - rather it over-extends based on the behaviour of many Christians who use such tatic on a debating forum. So if you are saying you have the right to do so because they do this, then you (along with them) do not understand true apologetics and you have a strange definition of fun too.
Why not just admit that my apologetics is stronger than yours?
1. Since you acknowledge P2, how do you know Jesus and Satan are not the same individual? The appearance of Jesus being tempted by Satan, is in reality, another ruse. It's all the devil. And being that you state "there is no biblical evidence that Satan did not seek permission before tempting Jesus," there is also no evidence that he did. If your position holds that God had to grant the devil all permission(s), then this also means God grants permission for all sorts of 'detestable' acts, according to human moral standards. Impersonation definitely logically applies here. Maybe the Jews are right, in that Jesus is not the Mesiah after all, just maybe for differing reasons.
POI, your redefinition of apologetics to include moving goalposts and relying on non-biblical assertions misrepresents what apologetics truly is. Apologetics is about reasoned arguments grounded in scripture, logic, and evidence—not rhetorical tricks or evasive maneuvers.
Your claim that Jesus might be the devil in disguise lacks any scriptural foundation. The Bible consistently portrays Jesus as the embodiment of truth and Satan as the father of lies. There is no evidence supporting the idea of impersonation, and relying on unfalsifiable assertions shifts the burden of proof inappropriately. By using tactics you critique in others, you normalize fallacies and distract from meaningful dialogue.
True apologetics seeks to clarify truth and foster understanding. It’s not about “winning” through sophistry but about engaging with intellectual and spiritual integrity. Adopting the same fallacious methods you accuse others of undermines your position and misses the deeper purpose of apologetics itself. A discussion rooted in substance rather than speculative gamesmanship is a truthful way in which to proceed with apologetics.
2. Maybe the Orthodox Jews are right, and we are to reject Jesus as the asserted gateway to Heaven?
3. YWHW's divine plan was the ultimate test. And all the ones who reject Jesus as the gateway are correct.
Re my apologetics the Christian-Judaism schism is better understood not as a division requiring us to choose sides, but as two branches of the same tree, each unfolding aspects of the same divined reality. Both traditions share roots in the Abrahamic covenant and foundational values, offering complementary perspectives on humanity’s relationship with the divined.
Judaism emphasizes covenantal law and earthly responsibilities, while Christianity focuses on grace and spiritual redemption. Together, they reflect different dimensions of a unified divined plan, guiding humanity through mirrored beliefs that steer us toward self-realization and a deeper understanding of the divined.
Rather than competing truth claims, these traditions reveal a diversity that enriches the larger narrative of existence. Recognizing their shared roots and distinct roles fosters mutual respect and a holistic appreciation of how divined purpose unfolds across history and humanity.
P1: The devil exists
P2: The devil has superhuman abilities
My apologetics shows that while superhuman devils and gods may exist, they are not equal in their abilities but contribute uniquely to the co-creation of Steerage Events. These events, reflected in humanity’s belief systems, are part of a greater divined framework. The gods and devils of human imagination serve as intermediaries—puppets created for the purpose of establishing contact between humans and the overarching GOD-Mind.
The GOD-Mind consents to human imagination in shaping these roles but ensures they do not interfere with the larger purpose or "jam the rudder" of divined guidance. YHVH, Jesus, and Satan are real beings created to play their respective roles within this framework. However, their reality transcends human imagination, which often anthropomorphizes them into competing entities vying for human attention.
Behind the puppetry lies the ultimate reality—the unified GOD-Mind—that orchestrates and integrates these roles into a cohesive, divined narrative for humanity’s spiritual growth and evolution.
It is worth noting that I have not moved any goalposts in my apologetics. My interpretations preserve the biblical storyline while offering a perspective that integrates the narrative into a cohesive framework. The supposed schism between these elements is not real but a construct of differing human interpretations.
If one chooses to move the goalposts so far as to step entirely off the playing field, one moves beyond the realm of Biblical Apologetics and into a debate with a strawman of ones own creation. In doing so, one shifts sufficiently to render ones argument detached from the very framework one claims to engage with.
