Transparency and credibility of factual facts

[somo]

For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

Matthew 5:18
The Prophet Jesus peace be upon him,
came to complete the law of the ancient prophets
Without decrease or increase
The remaining authentic verses in the Old Testament cannot be omitted

Why such variance in viewpoints? To begin with, different theological camps disagree on which books should be included in the Bible. One camp’s apocrypha is another’s scripture. Secondly, even among those books that have been canonized, the many variant source texts lack uniformity. This lack of uniformity is so ubiquitous that The Interpreter’s Dictionary of the Bible states, “It is safe to say that there is not one sentence in the NT in which the MS [manuscript] tradition is wholly uniform.”[2]

Not one sentence? We can’t trust a single sentence of the Bible? Hard to believe.
Maybe

The fact is that there are over 5700 Greek manuscripts of all or part of the New Testament.[3] Furthermore, “no two of these manuscripts are exactly alike in all their particulars…. And some of these differences are significant.”[4] Factor in roughly ten thousand manuscripts of the Latin Vulgate, add the many other ancient variants (i.e., Syriac, Coptic, Armenian, Georgian, Ethiopic, Nubian, Gothic, Slavonic), and what do we have?
A lot of manuscripts

A lot of manuscripts that fail to correspond in places and not infrequently contradict one another. Scholars estimate the number of manuscript variants in the hundreds of thousands, some estimating as high as 400,000.[5] In Bart D. Ehrman’s now famous words, “Possibly it is easiest to put the matter in comparative terms: there are more differences in our manuscripts than there are words in the New Testament.”[6]
How did this happen?

Poor record keeping. Dishonesty. Incompetence. Doctrinal prejudice. Take your pick.

None of the original manuscripts have survived from the early Christian period.[7]/[8] The most ancient complete manuscripts (Vatican MS. No. 1209 and the Sinaitic Syriac Codex) date from the fourth century, three hundred years after Jesus’ ministry. But the originals? Lost. And the copies of the originals? Also lost. Our most ancient manuscripts, in other words, are copies of the copies of the copies of nobody-knows-just-how-many copies of the originals.
No wonder they differ

In the best of hands, copying errors would be no surprise. However, New Testament manuscripts were not in the best of hands. During the period of Christian origins, scribes were untrained, unreliable, incompetent, and in some cases illiterate.[9] Those who were visually impaired could have made errors with look-alike letters and words, while those who were hearing-impaired may have erred in recording scripture as it was read aloud. Frequently scribes were overworked, and hence inclined to the errors that accompany fatigue.

In the words of Metzger and Ehrman, “Since most, if not all, of them [the scribes] would have been amateurs in the art of copying, a relatively large number of mistakes no doubt crept into their texts as they reproduced them.”[10] Worse yet, some scribes allowed doctrinal prejudice to influence their transmission of scripture.[11] As Ehrman states, “The scribes who copied the texts changed them.”[12] More specifically, “The number of deliberate alterations made in the interest of doctrine is difficult to assess.”[13] And even more specifically, “In the technical parlance of textual criticism—which I retain for its significant ironies—these scribes ‘corrupted’ their texts for theological reasons.”[14]

Errors were introduced in the form of additions, deletions, substitutions and modifications, most commonly of words or lines, but occasionally of entire verses.[15] [16] In fact, “numerous changes and accretions came into the text,”[17] with the result that “all known witnesses of the New Testament are to a greater or lesser extent mixed texts, and even several of the earliest manuscripts are not free from egregious errors.”[18]

In Misquoting Jesus, Ehrman presents persuasive evidence that the story of the woman taken in adultery (John 7:53-8:12) and the last twelve verses of Mark were not in the original gospels, but added by later scribes.[19] Furthermore, these examples “represent just two out of thousands of places in which the manuscripts of the New Testament came to be changed by scribes.”[20]

In fact, entire books of the Bible were forged.[21] This doesn’t mean their content is necessarily wrong, but it certainly doesn’t mean it’s right. So which books were forged? Ephesians, Colossians, 2 Thessalonians, 1 and 2 Timothy, Titus, 1 and 2 Peter, and Jude—a whopping nine of the twenty-seven New Testament books and epistles—are to one degree or another suspect.[22]
Forged books? In the Bible?

Why are we not surprised? After all, even the gospel authors are unknown. In fact, they’re anonymous.[23] Biblical scholars rarely, if ever, ascribe gospel authorship to Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John. As Ehrman tells us, “Most scholars today have abandoned these identifications, and recognize that the books were written by otherwise unknown but relatively well-educated Greek-speaking (and writing) Christians during the second half of the first century.”[24] Graham Stanton affirms, “The gospels, unlike most Graeco-Roman writings, are anonymous. The familiar headings which give the name of an author (‘The Gospel according to …’) were not part of the original manuscripts, for they were added only early in the second century.”[25]

So what, if anything, did Jesus’ disciples have to do with authoring the gospels? Little or nothing, so far as we know. But we have no reason to believe they authored any of the books of the Bible. To begin with, let us remember Mark was a secretary to Peter, and Luke a companion to Paul. The verses of Luke 6:14-16 and Matthew 10:2-4 catalogue the twelve disciples, and although these lists differ over two names, Mark and Luke don’t make either list. So only Matthew and John were true disciples. But all the same, modern scholars pretty much disqualify them as authors anyway.
Why?

Good question. John being the more famous of the two, why should we disqualify him from having authored the Gospel of “John”?
Umm … because he was dead?

Multiple sources acknowledge there is no evidence, other than questionable testimonies of second century authors, to suggest that the disciple John was the author of the Gospel of “John.”[26] [27] Perhaps the most convincing refutation is that the disciple John is believed to have died in or around 98 CE.[28] However, the Gospel of John was written circa 110 CE.[29] So whoever Luke (Paul’s companion), Mark (Peter’s secretary), and John (the unknown, but certainly not the long-dead one) were, we have no reason to believe any of the gospels were authored by Jesus’ disciples


How the Bible was corrupted by Dr. Bart Ehrman YouTube
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New Testament of the Bible regarding Jesus by Yusha ...



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[somo]

The important thing is what the ancient prophets, Christ and Islam said. It does not matter the various opinions in Christianity that contradict Christ and claim that he is God.

Muslims worship God (the Father) alone and the ancient prophets, just as the Prophet Christ worshiped the Father alone


Christ said

3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

John 17:3

He did not say you and I are gods, but he said you alone


Christ did not claim divinity and restricted divinity to God (the Father) alone
He did not say that he is a god or that the Holy Spirit is a god



On the Day of Resurrection, Christ will expel Christians who are considered God or equal to God

22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
Matthew 7:22-23
Islam is the final message to humanity
It was narrated from Abu Hurayrah, from the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him), that he said: “By the One in Whose hand is the soul of Muhammad, no one of this nation, Jew or Christian, hears of me then dies without having believed in that with which I was sent, but he will be one of the people of the Fire.” Narrated by Muslim (240).








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The problem in Christianity
you worship Christ and contradict his teachings


There are pictures and statues in the church violating the second commandment



You are a pagan

Christian theology, and idolatrous. You're the worst type of pagan idolater because you're trying to kill God for your sins.



Then there is a fact that many of those affiliated with Christ, peace be upon him, overlook, which is that the Christian beliefs inspired by the New Testament meet radically with the old pagan beliefs.

The Trinity, the Incarnation, eternal sin, atonement with salvation, crucifixion, and redemption, the Nicene Creed, the Lord’s Supper (Holy Supper) and baptisms, and ecclesiastical sacraments...

Christians agree with the pagan nations in the history of celebrating the birth of Christ, peace be upon him.

Dani Vera said: “The worship of the cross is of pagan origin, as they used the cross in magic before Christianity, and these ideas impressed the pagan emperors to support the worshipers of the Trinity.”


Torah, and the Gospel, according to Islam, are no longer in their original state. They have been added to, cannot be traced directly to their prophets, or were simply altered. Only the Quran has been preserved in its original state, exactly as it was revealed to Prophet Muhammad.


At the same time, it points out the modifications and reinforces the correct message. Hence, the Quran, the final revelation for all of humankind until Judgment Day, was sent to confirm, explain, and to an extent, correct the books that already existed.



Dr. Jerald Dirks: (1 of 8) Early Christians viewed Jesus as a human prophet, not as God.


Dr. Jerald Dirks (2 of 8) Early Christians viewed Jesus as a human prophet, not as God


زائر محترم يود التعرف أكثر على الإسلام - حوار حمزة مع زائر

[somo]

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A person may have hallucinations and psychic delusions as personal experiences

From a medical and scientific point of view, this can happen

Therefore, there is no evidence to prove the validity of your personal experiences that it is a fact from God

Be it good or bad experiences






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Only God can grant these prophets various miracles according to their era and time to prove the truthfulness of their message and prophethood.

All of this was before the eyes of the people of their time and they witnessed it.




But the eternal tangible material miracle is the Quran.

the Qur’an is something that no human being can write, modify or add to it

So far, no one has been able to produce anything close to the Qur'an in its beauty, style, meaning and prophecies.

The scientific evidence in the Qur’an makes it the most talked about book in the world of thought today.


The strongest evidence that the Quran is not (and will not be) distorted is that Allaah The Exalted challenged His creation to produce the likes of it; then He challenged them to produce ten chapters only and finally challenged them to produce even a single chapter. Today, this challenge remains open. If the Quran is fabricated, why can they not even produce a single chapter and defeat their enemy?




see here
Scientists' comments on Quran
https://www.islamicity.org/5437/scienti ... -on-quran/



A Christian asks which Part of the Bible is Authentic? - Dr Zakir Naik

[William]

[Replying to somo in post #152]

Hello Somo,

Thank you for your response. I see several areas where your arguments rely on logical fallacies or overlook key aspects of my original points, which limits a fair and clear engagement. I’ll address these directly.

1. Selective Use of Scripture on Jesus’s Divinity (Confirmation Bias)
You emphasize that Jesus never claimed divinity and only acknowledged “God (the Father)” as divine, citing passages like John 17:3. This approach selectively uses certain verses that align with an Islamic view while ignoring others that reflect Jesus’s unique role in Christian theology. For example, passages such as John 1:1 (“the Word was God”) and John 10:30 (“I and the Father are one”) point to a more complex understanding of Jesus’s identity within Christianity, where he is viewed as both human and divine. By ignoring these texts, you reinforce a confirmation bias that doesn’t engage with the full scope of Christian theology.

2. Genetic Fallacy and Hasty Generalizations About “Pagan” Elements
Your argument dismisses Christian beliefs as “pagan” based on their historical parallels with pre-Christian practices. This is a genetic fallacy: assuming that because certain practices or symbols have roots in pre-Christian traditions, they are inherently invalid. Many religious practices have historical overlaps due to cultural integration, but this doesn’t automatically negate their spiritual value for believers. Additionally, claiming Christianity is “the worst type of pagan idolatry” is a hasty generalization that disregards the complexity and sincerity of Christian belief.

3. Dismissal of Personal Spiritual Experiences as “Hallucinations”
You argue that personal experiences, such as lucid dreaming or Near-Death Experiences (NDEs), may be “hallucinations” or “psychic delusions” with no evidence of divine origin. This dismissal without evidence overlooks the significance these experiences hold for individuals as personal encounters with the divine. The Subjective GOD Model (SGM) I introduced values these personal experiences as legitimate ways to connect with GOD, and SGM views Christianity—and other organized religions—not as necessarily “of Jesus” but as culturally shaped traditions. The model emphasizes that individuals can connect with GOD directly, regardless of religious framework.

Furthermore, if all personal experiences are to be treated as potentially “hallucinatory,” this standard would need to be applied consistently across religious traditions, including Islam. This would entail a similar scrutiny of reported divine encounters, such as the Prophet Muhammad’s Isra and Mi’raj, which involves elements beyond the physical realm.

You raised a point about “form,” implying that such experiences require a physical body to be valid. However, in nearly all cases of reported divine or spiritual experiences, the experiencer perceives themselves as having “form” within the experience. While they may feel they are in their normal human body, this perception is often a misunderstanding on their part. Rather, they are in a form that exists within the experience itself, which may differ from physical reality. Thus, spiritual journeys can be “formful” without involving the physical body, and this distinction suggests that experiences involving form should not be dismissed on the grounds of physicality alone.

4. False Dilemma: Exclusivity of the Quran as the Sole Divine Text
You present the Quran as the only preserved, divinely authoritative text, dismissing other religious texts as distorted. This is a false dilemma: the assumption that either the Quran is preserved, and thus valid, or other texts are unreliable. Many people find spiritual insight in various sacred texts, whether or not they’ve been preserved in their original form. By framing the Quran’s preservation as proof of exclusivity, your argument overlooks the value that other texts have for billions of people who see them as genuine pathways to the divine.

5. Over-Reliance on Literal Interpretation (Begging the Question)
Your argument about miracles and the Quran’s material uniqueness assumes that only literal, tangible proofs can validate divine truth. This begs the question by presupposing that literal interpretation is the only valid approach. Many religious traditions, including mystical branches within Islam, find symbolic or metaphorical interpretations of sacred narratives to be equally valid. By insisting on a purely literal interpretation, your response dismisses interpretive flexibility and overlooks the possibility that divine encounters can carry profound meaning, even if not taken literally.

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Footnote on the Subjective GOD Model (SGM):

The Subjective GOD Model (SGM) suggests that GOD communicates with individuals through their subjective experiences—such as altered states, dreams, or what some scientists may label as “hallucinations.” Importantly, science itself does not label these experiences; it merely provides data on brain activity, consciousness, and perception. The labels are interpretations by scientists based on their understanding of the data.

According to SGM, these experiences do not need to occur within the physical framework of reality to be meaningful or divinely inspired. Rather, they are personal encounters crafted by GOD, engaging each individual within their inner consciousness to provide unique insight, guidance, or spiritual connection. This perspective values subjective experiences as intentional and valid forms of divine interaction, irrespective of religious tradition or physical-world constraints. SGM thus sees these inner experiences as significant, viewing GOD’s interactions through them as a way to reach each person uniquely, directly, and purposefully.

[somo]

1. Selective Use of Scripture on Jesus’s Divinity (Confirmation Bias)

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Christians ignore the definitive verses that are beyond doubt and prove that Christ is not God and never said I am God in the Bible
Christ said

3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

John 17:3


Christ did not claim divinity and restricted divinity to God (the Father) alone

He did not say that he is a god or that the Holy Spirit is a god Or the incarnate Son of God

Christ did not say: “You and I are gods,” but rather: “You alone.”




: Romans 1:25

25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.


[The most important one, answered Jesus, is this: Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one] (Mark 12:32)

[But in vain they do worship me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.] (Matthew 15:9)

[As it is, you are determined to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God.] (John 8:40)


[By myself I can do nothing: I judge only as I hear.] (John 5:30)









They turn to examples that do not prove the divinity of Christ, such as “





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I and the Father are one.”


God the Father is one with His Prophet Christ in the purpose and content of the message
Not in divinity


Christ said that he and the disciples are one

21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me.
◄ John 17:21 ►

Christ is also one with his disciples, are they all gods?

Jesus (Pbuh) Claiming Divinity in the Bible when he Says in John 10:30 “I and My Father are One”







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14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us.

(John 1:14)


Christ never said that He was the Word

With extensive study and knowledge, we will find that they are the words of a Jewish person named (Philo of Alexandria) (20 BC - 40 AD) who lived in the Hellenistic era in Alexandria. He was a philosopher and thinker who was influenced by Greek philosophy.

It is known that John wrote his Gospel after the death of Philo and borrowed the term from him.the Word

Then if the Word is God and the Word became flesh, this means God becoming flesh, and this is a change in God, and their book says 6 “I the Lord do not change. So you, the descendants of Jacob, are not destroyed. [Malachi 3:6]


Q & A ~ John 1:1~ In The Beginning Was The Word And The Word Was With God Dr.Zakir Naik #zakirnaik



what is john 1 1

[somo]

2. Genetic Fallacy and Hasty Generalizations About “Pagan” Elements

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One can’t just compare Jesus with current day Christians. One need to understand the dominant race in Christianity and their background, how they accepted this religion and how it impacted their daily lives.
Jesus was a Prophet, like Abraham, Moses and Muhammed peace be upon them.

The Christians of today's days are product of Roman Empire’s conveniently adoption of Jesus’ religion in 3rd century.
The Europeans had a mixed and scattered culture for thousands of years, with pagan beliefs and other fairy tales dominating the landscape.
With the advent of Christianity in Europe, the locals adopted the religion very quickly, as it did not confronted with their life styles and culture.

Under Constantine who imported (officially) the religion in Europe, Romans ensured that the new religion is in full compliance to their culture and rituals.
For example, during the counsel of Nicaea several aspects of belief systems were standardized before masses (of Europe, non-Semitics, Caucasians) can have a hold onto different version of Bible or common daily life practices of Orthodox Jews. The East Bazentine, new Roman Empire to the central Europe and pockets of other areas in North were mainly pagan at that time. So sculptures, divine figures, certain celebrations, festivities were part of their social life. Moral values were as good as any other region of that time (The middle-east that had Jewish population and influence on others were considered very conservatives, so you can imagine what was going on in Europe), drinking and pork eating was normal and commonly practiced.

So the importer of the new religion made sure that standards set by Bible for Isrealites must not collide with the relaxed (no restrictions) attitude of Europeans towards religion. They customized the religion to best suite the new tenants that eventually became the torch bearer of Christianity within few centuries. The original followers and preachers fell in the background and eventually forgotten. The religion totally changed and took new course where the founder died for the sins, giving followers clean chit to do whatever they do, keep His sculpture in Church, follow the re-branded customs of pagans with renewed stories linked to Jesus for every celebration and festivals, drink and eat pork as before and create excuses (from Jesus’ life) for everything that they do against the Ten Commandments.


Sins Are Not Forgiven in Christianity




Englishman Who Became a Muslim Journalist with Robert Carter



She Discovers SECRETS of the Church in the Quran!

[somo]

3. Dismissal of Personal Spiritual Experiences as “Hallucinations”


Spiritual experiences are specific to the person concerned, so it is his own experience. Why should I care about it and how can its truth be proven from its falsehood? Therefore, it is a personal experience that does not concern me.

Whether it's true for this person or not, I don't care.




The truth is clear: God (the Father) is God alone, as mentioned by Christ, the prophets, and the Qur’an. Even if Christians do not like this!








However, Isra and Mi’raj were mentioned in the Qur’an the preserved words of God, and there is historical evidence of their truthfulness




While this alignment between the Prophet's teachings and scientific findings can be seen as evidence that his guidance is true and beneficial, the main source of belief in his prophethood and message is based on faith, the miracles he performed, his character, the consistency of his message with the Quran, and the transformative impact of his teachings.

When Prophet MUHAMMAD PBUH came back, his enemies laughed at him that what is he talking about. The they gathered those people who had visited Jerusalem recently and they knew the surrounding. They started testing Prophet MUHAMMAD PBUH by asking questions. Prophet MUHAMMAD PBUH said that when pagans started questioning me about the building of Mosque Al Aqsa, ALLAH SWT brought the mosque right in front of me and I answered all of their questions. This was another miracle. Life of Prophet MUHAMMAD PBUH is full of miracles


The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "When the Quraish disbelieved me (concerning my night journey), I stood up in Al- Hijr (the unroofed portion of the Ka`ba) and Allah displayed Bait-ul-Maqdis before me, and I started to inform them (Quraish) about its signs while looking at it." (Bukhari)


He (ﷺ) also said Meccans about the traders, where they had camped last night and many more. Hence, when this traders returned back, the Meccans asked them that did they camped at so and so place at so and so time? The traders shockingly answered, “How did you know?”.


These are among many other witnesses of Prophet Muhammadﷺ)'s holy journey from Mecca to Al-Aqsa and than to the 7 heavens


The prophet Moses had several miracles, Moses' wand turned into a serpent
By order of God

By command of God Likewise, the Prophet Jesus even had the power Revive the Dead in order to establish his legitimacy before the Jews who would ultimately condemn him to death. Nevertheless, his miracles were undeniable by their nature, and it was only the stubbornness and arrogance of the people to whom he was sent


. He performed miracles (speaking as an infant, making a clay bird come alive, healing the blind and the lepers, etc.)

Why marvel at the miracles of the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him!

Miracles that he performed were all done with God's power. Moses did similar things, as did some of the apostles. We don't need to imitate that

allah, the Creator of the wonderful universe,
capable of all something, in earth and in heaven,
if he wants do something , be so!


- The miraculous creatures are filled with your book, so why object to what is stated in the books of others?

2 Kings 2:11 New International Version (NIV)

11 As they were walking along and talking together, suddenly a chariot of fire and horses of fire appeared and separated the two of them, and Elijah went up to heaven in a whirlwind.

Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad are the prophets of God, peace be upon them. God (the Father) granted them miracles. They cannot perform these miracles without God’s command.

Ana Asks Dr Zakir, “Are the Miracles of Jesus (pbuh) Greater than the Miracles of Muhammad (pbuh)?”


Al Quran the Miracle of Miracles - Dr Zakir Naik

[somo]

4. : the Quran as the only preserved



the Bible.


As I said, I ,do not care about the false arguments of people who care about false texts.


It was revealed to Jesus by God, in Jesus own language of Aramaic, which is a Semitic language, an eastern language similar to Hebrew and Arabic. The original extant copies of the gospels are in Greek, a western language. Now there are four gospels, supposed to have been written by four of the disciples of Jesus: Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. Was Jesus quoting, from these Greek books, written many years after his disappearance when he was addressing his people? Certainly not! He was quoting from the Book he received from God, which was the original Bible in the language of his own people. The argument that God revealed his Bible to Jesus in Greek is like saying that God revealed the Qur’an to Muhammad in English!

So the original Gospel was not in Greek, it was in the language Jesus and his people spoke and understood. We have no record or evidence to indicate that; this original Gospel was written down by scribes under Jesus’s own supervision. I repeat: We have no original Gospel existing now as a single volume, in the original language. Every educated Christian must know this fact!



Instead of the original Gospel, we have four books written by persons who are supposed to have been Jesus’s disciples. I say supposed, because modern scholars who have done research on the subject, question the claim that these were the disciples of Jesus, in the first place. These four books called the Gospels are placed at the beginning of some 27 books, bound together into one volume, called The New Testament. Out of these 27 books, thirteen were written by a man called St. Paul. This Paul was not a disciple of Jesus, nor has Jesus met him, as he himself testifies. Modern Christians are ardent followers of St. Paul, even in cases where Paul clearly contradicts Jesus!

The Islamic request to Christians is for them to please follow Jesus, and not to follow Paul, who preaches a different gospel!





see here
Scientists' comments on Quran
https://www.islamicity.org/5437/scienti ... -on-quran/


FULL - Dr. Zakir Naik The Quran and the Bible in the Light of Science vs Dr William Campbell

[somo]

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Your argument about miracles and the Quran’s material uniqueness assumes that only literal, tangible proofs can validate divine truth.

For non-Muslims, this is useful because they will not be convinced of Islam unless there is scientific evidence in some cases.

QUR'AN AND MODERN SCIENCE COMPATIBLE OR INCOMPATIBLE | LECTURE + Q & A | DR ZAKIR NAIK

[William]

Thank you for your detailed response. While I appreciate the effort you’ve taken to present your perspective, I find that my original critiques remain largely unaddressed. Let me elaborate on why this is the case:

1. Selective Use of Scripture on Jesus’s Divinity (Confirmation Bias)
Your response continues to selectively emphasize certain verses that align with your argument (e.g., John 17:3, John 8:40) while ignoring others that present a more nuanced understanding of Jesus's identity within Christian theology (e.g., John 1:1, John 10:30). While you counter John 10:30 by asserting unity of purpose rather than divinity, you omit engagement with John 1:1 and 1:14 entirely, dismissing the latter as influenced by Philo of Alexandria without substantively addressing its theological implications. This selective approach reinforces the confirmation bias I critiqued.

Additionally, your interpretation of unity between Jesus and the disciples (John 17:21) as equivalent to Jesus's unity with the Father lacks theological depth. Christian theology differentiates between ontological unity (divine essence) and relational unity (common purpose), and your response does not account for this distinction.

Key Unaddressed Point: A fair engagement would require acknowledging and addressing these other scriptural passages rather than dismissing them or omitting them entirely.

2. Genetic Fallacy and Hasty Generalizations About “Pagan” Elements
While you provide historical context about the Roman adoption of Christianity, your argument continues to hinge on the genetic fallacy—that Christianity’s cultural integration during its spread invalidates its spiritual claims. Claiming modern Christianity is a "product of the Roman Empire" oversimplifies its theological and historical development, and asserting that it retains "rebranded customs of pagans" generalizes the complex process of religious evolution.

Moreover, this argument does not address the spiritual authenticity that billions of Christians find in their faith. Dismissing Christian traditions as "pagan" without engaging with their theological substance perpetuates a hasty generalization.

Key Unaddressed Point: The integration of cultural elements into a religion does not inherently invalidate its spiritual claims or practices.

3. Dismissal of Personal Spiritual Experiences as “Hallucinations”
Your outright dismissal of subjective spiritual experiences as irrelevant avoids engaging with my argument that these experiences are significant within the Subjective GOD Model (SGM). By stating, "Why should I care about it?" you sidestep the philosophical premise of SGM: that divine encounters are tailored to individual consciousness and hold intrinsic value for the person experiencing them.

Further, while you defend the validity of Islamic miracles like Isra and Mi’raj, you do not explain why subjective experiences in other religious contexts should be dismissed outright. This creates an inconsistency, as your standard for accepting divine encounters appears to be selective rather than universally applied.

Key Unaddressed Point: A meaningful engagement would require addressing why subjective spiritual experiences in non-Islamic contexts are dismissed while those in Islamic contexts are affirmed.

4. False Dilemma: Exclusivity of the Quran as the Sole Divine Text
Your response reiterates the Quran’s preservation and contrasts it with the historical unreliability of the Bible. However, this does not engage with my critique that presenting the Quran as the only preserved, authoritative text creates a false dilemma. Spiritual insights and truths can emerge from texts considered sacred by other religious traditions, even if they have undergone historical transformations.

By framing this issue as an either/or argument—either the Quran is preserved, or other texts are invalid—you overlook the possibility that other scriptures retain spiritual value for their adherents.

Key Unaddressed Point: Acknowledge the spiritual validity that billions of people find in other sacred texts, even if their historical authenticity differs from that of the Quran.

5. Over-Reliance on Literal Interpretation (Begging the Question)
Your focus on literal proofs (e.g., scientific evidence and miracles) as validation for divine truth assumes that literal interpretations are the only valid approach to understanding sacred texts. This does not address my critique that interpretive flexibility, including symbolic and metaphorical readings, is an essential part of religious traditions, including Islam.

For example, mystical branches of Islam (e.g., Sufism) often interpret Quranic verses symbolically, finding profound spiritual meaning beyond the literal. By insisting on literalism, your argument begs the question by presupposing that only tangible proofs validate religious truth.

Key Unaddressed Point: Engage with the role of symbolic and metaphorical interpretations in understanding divine truths.

Summary
Your response, while detailed, often sidesteps my critiques or reaffirms the very fallacies I pointed out:

Confirmation Bias: Selective use of scripture without addressing key counterarguments.
Genetic Fallacy: Dismissing Christian traditions based on their historical development.
Dismissal of Subjective Experiences: Fails to engage with the philosophical premise of SGM.
False Dilemma: Reinforces Quranic exclusivity without acknowledging the spiritual value of other texts.
Begging the Question: Presumes the primacy of literal interpretations without addressing symbolic approaches.

A meaningful dialogue requires addressing these critiques directly and engaging with the full scope of the arguments presented.

[somo]

Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon himworshiped God (the Father) alone, like Christ and all the prophets before him

Therefore, the prophets lived spiritually with the true God.



The Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, had scientific miracles that scientists have proven to be true.

And non-scientific miracles that have historical proofs and witnesses.

Indeed, these scientific and non-scientific miracles have occurred in the past and present, as attested by scientists.

The Qur’an is a revelation and the word of God, infallible from error


There is no comparison between ordinary people and their experiences and the prophets and God’s true revelation to them.

Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him despised false worship to any man-made gods or images or anything in creation as a god. He hated all of the complexities and degradation to which it leads.

This is in direct obedience to the second commandment in the mentioned verses, "Thou shalt not make any graven images."

But we find pictures and statues in churches, and some Christians prostrate to the statue of Jesus and prostrate to the statue of Mary


Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, performed these same ceremonies in worship to what we find the prophets doing before him, bowing to toward the ground and prostrating (falling on the face) while praying and worshipping.

Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, never drank alcohol or strong drink, even though it was a very normal thing for people of his time and place.


"O you believers! Intoxicating drinks, gambling, fortune telling, etc. is the hated work of the devil. So stay away from all of that horrible stuff, that you will be successful."


Worshiping God is pride and victory in itself and in it there is equality between all people





Muslims worship God who created everything. Allah forbids us from worshiping anything else (e.g. statues, the sun, moon, Jinn , Angels ,saints, priests or even Prophets). He does not need any partners or intermediaries. Everyone can always worship God .directly.

Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) lived in the desert in Saudi Arabia

Prophet Jesus (peace be upon him) lived in Palestine

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the time of our Prophet (S), human beings were living under all kinds of oppressive systems. J.H. Denison aptly sums up the miserable human condition prevailing at that time:

“It seemed then the great civilization that it had taken four thousand years to construct was on the verge of disintegration, and that mankind was likely to return to that condition of barbarism where every tribe and sect was against the next, and law and order were unknown…. Civilization… rotted to the core, riven by the storms of war, and held together only by cords of ancient customs and laws, that might snap at any moment. Was there any emotional culture that could be brought in, to gather mankind once more into unity and to save civilization? ... That such a culture should have arisen from Arabia just at the time when it was most needed.” [J. H. Denison, Emotion as the Basis of Civilization, pp. 267-268]



The Prophet mohmmed(S) liberated human beings from these oppressions and opened the door of true freedom for humanity. The Prophet’s mission (and therefore his Sunnah) was to establish the unity of humankind (2:213). This was a necessary consequence of the belief in the unity of God (112:1). The Prophet (S) did not achieve this high goal by rituals and dogmas alone. Nor did he accomplish it by supernatural means. He (S) and his companions (R) persevered and struggled to create social and political change through Quranic education and training. They challenged the secular, tribal, and temporal forces of exploitation and corruption. They torched the path to freedom by removing the chains placed on human beings by these forces: “… lift[ed] from them their burdens and the shackles that were upon them...” (7:157). This struggle of our Prophet (S) and Sahaba (R) gave unimagined freedom to oppressed human beings. Thus the darkest period in human history (quotation from Denison) was turned into a most enlightened one.




God revealed the Qur'an to the Prophet Muhammad to correct the previous books

God forbids usury, adultery, alcohol, gambling, pork, incest,

However, we find in the Bible that these calamities are not prohibited in some parts of it

And Christians do it openly and attribute it to Christ and they are not ashamed



Christians are deceived by the devil


Because their book contains these taboos

But the Qur'an forbids that

The Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, who ordered the abandonment of usury, adultery, alcohol, gambling, pork, and incest.


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