Is there a parallel?

[Athetotheist]

In the 19th century, a movement started among Native Americans which was believed by some to be a way to bring back their former way of life. One of its names was the Ghost Dance, and its participants hoped that performing it widely enough would bring about the disappearance of their white oppressors, the return of the buffalo herds and the restoration of peace and prosperity.

Fast forward to modern times, when "Dominion Theology" has become a significant movement. There are various approaches to it, but one facet is:

Dominion Theology defines the churchs hope to be the establishment of an earthly kingdom instead of the second coming of Christ. Under this view, Christ cannot come back until the church first establishes the millennial kingdom. This kingdom is not simply the rule of God in the hearts of people, but it is to be political, social, and visible. The great commission is redefined: instead of the primary goal being personal evangelism, the churchs mission is to gain control of the world, institution by institution and nation by nation.

https://www.apostolic.edu/is-dominion-t ... criptural/

Is Dominion Theology a fundamentalist Christian version of the Ghost Dance?

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to Tcg in post #10

In America we have a both of these wrapped into one deadly package deal from Donald the orange.

He's just along for the ride. He shows no sign of being any more religious than a golden toilet. Preachers have made him out to be a messiah in the minds of their flocks, so they've accepted his word as infallible gospel. Fortunately, even they're starting to realize that in praising their new Cyrus they're really just crying out for Barabbas.

[TRANSPONDER]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #8

It will come about when Jesus returns as a mighty spirit king and kills off everyone who opposes his rulership.

That's a pretty harsh way to shut down meaningful debate, isn't it?

It's the JW doorstoop method. When they lose the argument, they march off with a threat of divine retribution when Jesus comes. It is an admission of defeat, really.

[1213]

...and that his disciples would not go over the cities of Israel before the Son of Man came (Matthew 10:23)....

.....and that the generation he was addressing would not pass away until the Son of Man was seen coming in the clouds of heaven (Matthew 24:34)

Son of man came after 3 days in death?

I think in the case of Matthew 24, it is good to understand, it is about when will the temple be destroyed, and when the end comes. There are two or three questions Jesus answers. About the end of the world Jesus says:

But no one knows of that day and hour, not even the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
Matt. 24:36

[tam]

Peace to you,

In the 19th century, a movement started among Native Americans which was believed by some to be a way to bring back their former way of life. One of its names was the Ghost Dance, and its participants hoped that performing it widely enough would bring about the disappearance of their white oppressors, the return of the buffalo herds and the restoration of peace and prosperity.

Fast forward to modern times, when "Dominion Theology" has become a significant movement. There are various approaches to it, but one facet is:

Dominion Theology defines the churchs hope to be the establishment of an earthly kingdom instead of the second coming of Christ. Under this view, Christ cannot come back until the church first establishes the millennial kingdom. This kingdom is not simply the rule of God in the hearts of people, but it is to be political, social, and visible. The great commission is redefined: instead of the primary goal being personal evangelism, the churchs mission is to gain control of the world, institution by institution and nation by nation.

https://www.apostolic.edu/is-dominion-t ... criptural/

Is Dominion Theology a fundamentalist Christian version of the Ghost Dance?

I can understand how you could draw that parallel.

One big difference is that a dance is possible to do (even if it didn't bring about what they hoped); whereas, establishing a world-wide "Christian" Kingdom established by men does not seem at all possible. Although the ideal of 'dominion theology' might be a good way to gain money, some power, and followers. Not followers of Christ, mind you, but rather followers of itself.

I would be surprised if the leaders of that religion ever expect Christ to return. The followers might.

But if you are trying to suggest that these people have come up with (or bought into) a reason to explain why Christ has not yet returned, then maybe. I cannot speak to their motivations. As 1213 said earlier, that would be a question for you to ask the people who adhere to that theology. If true, it sounds like it might be a lack of faith. Christ said He would return. He will. It will happen at the time the Father has already determined.

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Christ does not come back and kill people though.

He is the LIFE.

When He returns:

- He gathers up first His own, to be changed 'in a twinkling', for the marriage of the Bride and Bridegroom 1 Thes 4:15-17, 1Corinth 15:31-52
- He sits on His throne and reigns upon the earth (along with His bride reigning with Him as king-priests) Rev 20:6, 5:10,
- He separates the sheep from the goats, so that the sheep are invited into the Kingdom; the goats are cast out into the darkness (outside the Kingdom, where the Light IS.) Matt 25:31-46

At the end of the thousand years (when Satan is released from his thousand year imprisonment), the people living OUTSIDE the Kingdom are misled into coming AGAINST the Kingdom to attack the people God loves. (remember that Satan's tends to tempt people with something they already want.) THEN fire comes down from heaven and devours them. Rev 20:7-10

That doesn't occur until a thousand years AFTER Christ returns. Christ's return and "Armageddon" (the great battle of God) are not the same event.



Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to 1213 in post #13

Son of man came after 3 days in death?

Were those who believed in him caught up in the clouds three days after his death (1 Thessalonians 4:17)?

[1213]

[Replying to 1213 in post #13

Son of man came after 3 days in death?

Were those who believed in him caught up in the clouds three days after his death (1 Thessalonians 4:17)?

Bible tells many people were raised when Jesus rose.

Behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from the top to the bottom. The earth quaked and the rocks were split. The tombs were opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised;
Mat 27:51-52

But, I think 1 Thessalonians 4:17 is about when Jesus comes from heaven, which I don't think has yet happened.

[TRANSPONDER]

[Replying to 1213 in post #13

Son of man came after 3 days in death?

Were those who believed in him caught up in the clouds three days after his death (1 Thessalonians 4:17)?

Bible tells many people were raised when Jesus rose.

Behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from the top to the bottom. The earth quaked and the rocks were split. The tombs were opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised;
Mat 27:51-52

But, I think 1 Thessalonians 4:17 is about when Jesus comes from heaven, which I don't think has yet happened.

I don't know. I am sure that Matthew had some idea that the graves should open and the 'Saints' be raised and some odd idea it should happen when Jesus died rather than when he was raised. But Matthew was never the cleverest of the writers. I agree this addition of his (in no other gospel) is nothing to do with the raising of the dead when Jesus supposedly comes again which is too long overdue to be taken seriously anymore.

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to 1213 in post #16

But, I think 1 Thessalonians 4:17 is about when Jesus comes from heaven, which I don't think has yet happened.

"Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

"Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it is near, right at the door. Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away."(Matthew 24:30-35)

For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17)

Doesn't it look like 1 Thessalonians and Matthew are referring to the same event?

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to 1213 in post #13]

Re: Matthew 10:23, the context indicates Jesus was using the occassion to speak prophetically of a future preaching campaign many thousand of years future of the first century .

Does Matthew 10:23 (COMPLETE CIRCUIT) not indicate Jesus was announcing his return in the first century ?
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[Athetotheist]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #19

Jesus was using the occassion of his disciple's immediate preaching campaign to illustrate what the situaton would be for future disciples preaching just before the end of the world system.

MATTHEW 10:23

When they persecute you in one city, flee to another; for truly I say to you, you will by no means complete the circuit of the cities of Israel until the Son of man arrives.

If he's referring to preaching to be done millenia in the future, why does he "truly" tell them that they will "by no means" finish going over the cities of Israel before he comes?