It is not as simple minded as you make it sound.

[nobspeople]

A poster has made this statement multiple times and it made me wonder: why not?
While the details on each utterance may need context, overall, it's made about belief, faith and christianity as a whole.

For discussion:
If it's 'not as simple minded as you make it sound', this must mean it's, in some fashion, complex. Why? Isn't christianity, faith and belief for all people? Even though with lackluster mental fortitude, to say? Why does faith, belief and, seemingly, christianity, have to be complex and not simple?
Or, does 'simple minded' mean something other than simply 'simple'?
Or is it an insult, suggesting the understand of the person shows they're 'simple minded'?

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[TRANSPONDER]

Belied and indeed faith is quite simple. One does or does not. But what one believes and why can be complicated. O( it may not. Like being brought up to believe - or not. What I call tabula rasa (which is not a Brazilian percussion instrument but latin for clean table) atheists are the ones who are unprepared for the well - packaged Theist sell and can be convinced. An informed atheist is unlikely to be persuaded.

But open mind comes up here. We are not naturally open - minded. I'm not. And it wasn't until I began on atheist apologetics and the rules of logic that I learned to set bias aside and put the getting at facts as of more value than just winning the argument. Because when two people arrive at the truth together, they both win, not just one of them.

[theophile]

A poster has made this statement multiple times and it made me wonder: why not?
While the details on each utterance may need context, overall, it's made about belief, faith and christianity as a whole.

For discussion:
If it's 'not as simple minded as you make it sound', this must mean it's, in some fashion, complex. Why? Isn't christianity, faith and belief for all people? Even though with lackluster mental fortitude, to say? Why does faith, belief and, seemingly, christianity, have to be complex and not simple?
Or, does 'simple minded' mean something other than simply 'simple'?
Or is it an insult, suggesting the understand of the person shows they're 'simple minded'?

I think you're dealing with, for lack of better term, a complete philosophical system here. In fact, multiple, since there is no one, definitive, Christian belief system. So yah, there is complexity and complication at play.

Does that mean the ideas conveyed aren't in themselves simple and intuitive once distilled? Of course not. But making it all work together and understanding how it all coheres without getting lost and confused by the countless pathways one could wander is the challenge...

Just look at the concept of 'faith' and some of the complexity lurking there. Is faith belief that a certain proposition is true? i.e., that God exists? Is it more the kind of faith that one shows a partner? i.e., being faithful, in the sense of non-adulterous? That is arguably what God goes on about in the bible, yet most don't think 'faith' along that line. It's a simple concept we can all relate to (both concepts are), but the ambiguity and different ways of thinking complicates it.

[TRANSPONDER]

A poster has made this statement multiple times and it made me wonder: why not?
While the details on each utterance may need context, overall, it's made about belief, faith and christianity as a whole.

For discussion:
If it's 'not as simple minded as you make it sound', this must mean it's, in some fashion, complex. Why? Isn't christianity, faith and belief for all people? Even though with lackluster mental fortitude, to say? Why does faith, belief and, seemingly, christianity, have to be complex and not simple?
Or, does 'simple minded' mean something other than simply 'simple'?
Or is it an insult, suggesting the understand of the person shows they're 'simple minded'?

I think you're dealing with, for lack of better term, a complete philosophical system here. In fact, multiple, since there is no one, definitive, Christian belief system. So yah, there is complexity and complication at play.

Does that mean the ideas conveyed aren't in themselves simple and intuitive once distilled? Of course not. But making it all work together and understanding how it all coheres without getting lost and confused by the countless pathways one could wander is the challenge...

Just look at the concept of 'faith' and some of the complexity lurking there. Is faith belief that a certain proposition is true? i.e., that God exists? Is it more the kind of faith that one shows a partner? i.e., being faithful, in the sense of non-adulterous? That is arguably what God goes on about in the bible, yet most don't think 'faith' along that line. It's a simple concept we can all relate to (both concepts are), but the ambiguity and different ways of thinking complicates it.

Yes. complication os what is simple is always a thing. Let' 's say gravity. Or color. So simple, we may take it for granted. Understanding it can be very complicated.

So Christianity - or any other religion - can be simple (Faith in the cult - object) but the doctrines and dogma can be very complex indeed.

Like Faith. We have it or have not.

But why we have it or should have it (in any proposition or claim) and the various meanings (basically belief with good evidence vs belief without good evidence) as well as the biological or psychological working of it is complex.

But academic, if Reasons to believe or not are quite apart from what the biological purpose of mechanism of Faith is.

[Gareth345678]

hey i believe Christian faith is simple at its core - love for God and neighbor.however understaning and practicng it can be complex due to our human nature.each believr has a diferent story and experiencs that shape their faith journey.

[TRANSPONDER]

hey i believe Christian faith is simple at its core - love for God and neighbor.however understaning and practicng it can be complex due to our human nature.each believr has a diferent story and experiencs that shape their faith journey.

Therein lies the key. Different experiences and story, which makes it personal. One person's story may not apply to another. So the simple is a human experience and too complicated is various religions. Over simplification is only seeing it as 'Christianity' and ignoring all the other stories.

Making it simple is seeing it as humans and their best aspirations - love for god and neighbour. But over complicating it with religious Dogma or over simplifying it by ignoring all that.

Essentially, if you want to call that .Christianity' we can let it pass - what you believe is our own affair, but tell it not to us, who may see it as foisting a cultural tradition on others (through lack of thought). To others (if not their own religious Thing) it is human nature and what we make of it.

You are excused and forgiven for trying to splosh religious illusions over it. But do not persist, or this goes beyond unnecessary complication of something simple but comes close to the religious 'Bullying' which was the subject of another thread.

cue "Well what about forcing evolution on everyone hey?" Ah but that is not religious illusion, but scientific learning. And whether that is Fact or lies is a whole other discussion.