When I learned that the Bible speaks of a restored Garden of Eden and the restoration of mankind to the perfection and endless life that Adam forfeited, I was thrilled. Who doesn't want to keep living on this beautiful earth, with our loved ones, and being able to do all the things we love to do---endlessly?
If God said to you today, "When do you want to die?" would you say "now!!"? I don't think very many people would say that.
We CAN live forever here on Earth. The Bible tells us that we can.
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Re: Paradise on Earth
Post #3121It will be explained by lexicon by using the definition "country, nation, world.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 2:02 pmCapbook wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 6:46 amLexicon also defined "earth" as land, field, ground, etc. Why you are just focused to other definition?JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 1:03 pmDoes that mean that sometimes the earth sings? What do you mean "not all the time" that implies that you are admitting that the earth does sing "some of the time", but HOW can a planet sing without a mouth ? The planet doesn't have vocal cords. Please explain.
GENESIS 11:9 King James Version
Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth:PSALMS 97:1 Douay-Rheims Bible
For the same David, when his land was restored again to him. The Lord hath reigned, let the earth rejoice: let many islands be glad.PSALM 66:4 King James Bible
All the earth shall worship thee, and shall sing unto thee; they shall sing to thy name. Selah.PSALM 76v8
The earth was afraid and was silent ...
Do land, ground, field, etc sings?
Use whatever definition you like but explain the scriptures. It says say the earth sings? Explain how that can be, does the earth have a mouth and vocal cords. We are all still waiting for you to explain the verses. Is it so complicated what I am asking EXPLAIN THE SCRIPTURES ABOVE tell us what they MEAN Why do you not just explain how they can be true?
The earth is afraid
The earth has language
The earth sings
How can these verses be true when the earth has no mouth? EXPLAIN
That is why I said not all earth sings. (Mat 5:5)
Can you support your stand that earth sings in the New Testament?
OT:776
'erets (eh'-rets); from an unused root probably meaning to be firm; the earth (at large, or partitively a land):
KJV - common, country, earth, field, ground, land, natins, way, wilderness, world.
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)
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Re: Paradise on Earth
Post #3122What do you mean? I don't see how what you posted explains how something without a mouth can SING. The word in the scriptures was EARTH, (not country, nation or world) EARTH, that's the word in the scripture (OT:776 'erets (eh'-rets) which means EARTH or LAND, but how can the earth SING? Does the LAND have a MOUTH, does EARTH have VOCAL CORDS to speak? How can those verses be true?
Please explain how you understand what you found in the definitions because so far you have not written an explanation when the world in the bible is EARTH and the scriptures say it can sing... HOW???
GENESIS 11:9 King James Version
Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth:
PSALMS 97:1 Douay-Rheims Bible
For the same David, when his land was restored again to him. The Lord hath reigned, let the earth rejoice: let many islands be glad.
PSALM 66:4 King James Bible
All the earth shall worship thee, and shall sing unto thee; they shall sing to thy name. Selah.
PSALM 76v8
The earth was afraid and was silent ...
What do these verses mean if the EARTH erets has no vocal cords?
JW
PS What could be said about the teachers that teach their students to read but neglected to teach them to reason on the meaning of the words they read and how those words relate to the world the student will live in. This handicap will impede them for their whole lives. Perhaps this is a legacy from when the working classes were not taught poetry or literature because they just needed to learn enough to understand the instructions given them in the factory but now we have the internet, a universe of knowledge which is still blocked to those that have access to the words but not to the knowledge they contain. A pox on those that abuse the gift of teaching to enslaves the innocent.
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Re: Paradise on Earth
Post #3123Read post #3122 please.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2024 1:55 amIt will be explained by lexicon by using the definition "country, nation, world.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 2:02 pmCapbook wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 6:46 amLexicon also defined "earth" as land, field, ground, etc. Why you are just focused to other definition?JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 1:03 pmDoes that mean that sometimes the earth sings? What do you mean "not all the time" that implies that you are admitting that the earth does sing "some of the time", but HOW can a planet sing without a mouth ? The planet doesn't have vocal cords. Please explain.
GENESIS 11:9 King James Version
Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth:PSALMS 97:1 Douay-Rheims Bible
For the same David, when his land was restored again to him. The Lord hath reigned, let the earth rejoice: let many islands be glad.PSALM 66:4 King James Bible
All the earth shall worship thee, and shall sing unto thee; they shall sing to thy name. Selah.PSALM 76v8
The earth was afraid and was silent ...
Do land, ground, field, etc sings?
Use whatever definition you like but explain the scriptures. It says say the earth sings? Explain how that can be, does the earth have a mouth and vocal cords. We are all still waiting for you to explain the verses. Is it so complicated what I am asking EXPLAIN THE SCRIPTURES ABOVE tell us what they MEAN Why do you not just explain how they can be true?
The earth is afraid
The earth has language
The earth sings
How can these verses be true when the earth has no mouth? EXPLAIN
That is why I said not all earth sings. (Mat 5:5)
Can you support your stand that earth sings in the New Testament?
OT:776
'erets (eh'-rets); from an unused root probably meaning to be firm; the earth (at large, or partitively a land):
KJV - common, country, earth, field, ground, land, natins, way, wilderness, world.
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)
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Re: Paradise on Earth
Post #3124Read #3122 and comment on what point it is getting across. Thank you.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2024 7:24 pmRead post #3122 please.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2024 1:55 amIt will be explained by lexicon by using the definition "country, nation, world.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 2:02 pmCapbook wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 6:46 amLexicon also defined "earth" as land, field, ground, etc. Why you are just focused to other definition?JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 1:03 pmDoes that mean that sometimes the earth sings? What do you mean "not all the time" that implies that you are admitting that the earth does sing "some of the time", but HOW can a planet sing without a mouth ? The planet doesn't have vocal cords. Please explain.
GENESIS 11:9 King James Version
Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth:PSALMS 97:1 Douay-Rheims Bible
For the same David, when his land was restored again to him. The Lord hath reigned, let the earth rejoice: let many islands be glad.PSALM 66:4 King James Bible
All the earth shall worship thee, and shall sing unto thee; they shall sing to thy name. Selah.PSALM 76v8
The earth was afraid and was silent ...
Do land, ground, field, etc sings?
Use whatever definition you like but explain the scriptures. It says say the earth sings? Explain how that can be, does the earth have a mouth and vocal cords. We are all still waiting for you to explain the verses. Is it so complicated what I am asking EXPLAIN THE SCRIPTURES ABOVE tell us what they MEAN Why do you not just explain how they can be true?
The earth is afraid
The earth has language
The earth sings
How can these verses be true when the earth has no mouth? EXPLAIN
That is why I said not all earth sings. (Mat 5:5)
Can you support your stand that earth sings in the New Testament?
OT:776
'erets (eh'-rets); from an unused root probably meaning to be firm; the earth (at large, or partitively a land):
KJV - common, country, earth, field, ground, land, natins, way, wilderness, world.
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)
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Re: Paradise on Earth
Post #3125One lexicon definition of "earth" is world.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2024 7:24 pmRead post #3122 please.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2024 1:55 amIt will be explained by lexicon by using the definition "country, nation, world.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 2:02 pmCapbook wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 6:46 amLexicon also defined "earth" as land, field, ground, etc. Why you are just focused to other definition?JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 1:03 pmDoes that mean that sometimes the earth sings? What do you mean "not all the time" that implies that you are admitting that the earth does sing "some of the time", but HOW can a planet sing without a mouth ? The planet doesn't have vocal cords. Please explain.
GENESIS 11:9 King James Version
Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth:PSALMS 97:1 Douay-Rheims Bible
For the same David, when his land was restored again to him. The Lord hath reigned, let the earth rejoice: let many islands be glad.PSALM 66:4 King James Bible
All the earth shall worship thee, and shall sing unto thee; they shall sing to thy name. Selah.PSALM 76v8
The earth was afraid and was silent ...
Do land, ground, field, etc sings?
Use whatever definition you like but explain the scriptures. It says say the earth sings? Explain how that can be, does the earth have a mouth and vocal cords. We are all still waiting for you to explain the verses. Is it so complicated what I am asking EXPLAIN THE SCRIPTURES ABOVE tell us what they MEAN Why do you not just explain how they can be true?
The earth is afraid
The earth has language
The earth sings
How can these verses be true when the earth has no mouth? EXPLAIN
That is why I said not all earth sings. (Mat 5:5)
Can you support your stand that earth sings in the New Testament?
OT:776
'erets (eh'-rets); from an unused root probably meaning to be firm; the earth (at large, or partitively a land):
KJV - common, country, earth, field, ground, land, natins, way, wilderness, world.
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)
And lexicon defined "world", as seen below but nowhere your definition as "human society" is there.
To answer your question who has the mouth to sing? See the number 5 definition? Still not human society.
I just wonder, where you find that definition. Any lexicon to support it?
NT:2889 kosmos, kosmou, ho;
1. apt and harmonious arrangement or constitution, order
2. ornament, decoration, adornment: 1 Peter 3:3.
3. the world, i. e. the universe Acts 17:24; Rom 4:13.
4. the circle of the earth, the earth Mark 16:15.
5. the inhabitants of the world: 1 Cor 4:9.
6. the ungodly multitude; the whole mass of men alienated from God, and therefore hostile to the cause of Christ John 7:7
7. worldly affairs; the aggregate of things earthly; the whole circle of earthly goods, endowments, riches, advantages, pleasures, etc., which, although hollow and frail and fleeting, stir desire, seduce from God and are obstacles to the cause of Christ: Gal 6:14
8. any aggregate or general collection of particulars of any sort James 3:6
(from Thayer's Greek Lexicon, Electronic Database. Copyright © 2000, 2003, 2006 by Biblesoft, Inc. All rights reserved.)
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Re: Paradise on Earth
Post #3126Do you think that #5's "inhabitants of the world" might mean people (humans)?
Are you saying that when we see the word EARTH (erets) in the bible , it can sometimes not be talking about the literal planet but be referring to people ? Is that what you are suggesting?
Please confirm,
JW
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Post #3127There you have it--human society-- in #5 of your list.Capbook wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2024 3:56 amOne lexicon definition of "earth" is world.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2024 7:24 pmRead post #3122 please.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2024 1:55 amIt will be explained by lexicon by using the definition "country, nation, world.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 2:02 pmCapbook wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 6:46 amLexicon also defined "earth" as land, field, ground, etc. Why you are just focused to other definition?JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 1:03 pmDoes that mean that sometimes the earth sings? What do you mean "not all the time" that implies that you are admitting that the earth does sing "some of the time", but HOW can a planet sing without a mouth ? The planet doesn't have vocal cords. Please explain.
GENESIS 11:9 King James Version
Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth:PSALMS 97:1 Douay-Rheims Bible
For the same David, when his land was restored again to him. The Lord hath reigned, let the earth rejoice: let many islands be glad.PSALM 66:4 King James Bible
All the earth shall worship thee, and shall sing unto thee; they shall sing to thy name. Selah.PSALM 76v8
The earth was afraid and was silent ...
Do land, ground, field, etc sings?
Use whatever definition you like but explain the scriptures. It says say the earth sings? Explain how that can be, does the earth have a mouth and vocal cords. We are all still waiting for you to explain the verses. Is it so complicated what I am asking EXPLAIN THE SCRIPTURES ABOVE tell us what they MEAN Why do you not just explain how they can be true?
The earth is afraid
The earth has language
The earth sings
How can these verses be true when the earth has no mouth? EXPLAIN
That is why I said not all earth sings. (Mat 5:5)
Can you support your stand that earth sings in the New Testament?
OT:776
'erets (eh'-rets); from an unused root probably meaning to be firm; the earth (at large, or partitively a land):
KJV - common, country, earth, field, ground, land, natins, way, wilderness, world.
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)
And lexicon defined "world", as seen below but nowhere your definition as "human society" is there.
To answer your question who has the mouth to sing? See the number 5 definition? Still not human society.
I just wonder, where you find that definition. Any lexicon to support it?
NT:2889 kosmos, kosmou, ho;
1. apt and harmonious arrangement or constitution, order
2. ornament, decoration, adornment: 1 Peter 3:3.
3. the world, i. e. the universe Acts 17:24; Rom 4:13.
4. the circle of the earth, the earth Mark 16:15.
5. the inhabitants of the world: 1 Cor 4:9.
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Post #3128Yes, that's what #5 definition, "inhabitants of the world" but not "human society" as you defined earth in Revelation. A human society is a group of people who share a common lifestyle and organization, while inhabitants of the world could refer to all the people and etc.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2024 12:11 pmDo you think that #5's "inhabitants of the world" might mean people (humans)?
Are you saying that when we see the word EARTH (erets) in the bible , it can sometimes not be talking about the literal planet but be referring to people ? Is that what you are suggesting?
Please confirm,
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Post #3129A human society is a group of people who share a common lifestyle and organization, while inhabitants of the world could refer to all the people and etc.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2024 6:50 pmThere you have it--human society-- in #5 of your list.Capbook wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2024 3:56 amOne lexicon definition of "earth" is world.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2024 7:24 pmRead post #3122 please.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2024 1:55 amIt will be explained by lexicon by using the definition "country, nation, world.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 2:02 pmCapbook wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2024 6:46 amLexicon also defined "earth" as land, field, ground, etc. Why you are just focused to other definition?JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 1:03 pmDoes that mean that sometimes the earth sings? What do you mean "not all the time" that implies that you are admitting that the earth does sing "some of the time", but HOW can a planet sing without a mouth ? The planet doesn't have vocal cords. Please explain.
GENESIS 11:9 King James Version
Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth:PSALMS 97:1 Douay-Rheims Bible
For the same David, when his land was restored again to him. The Lord hath reigned, let the earth rejoice: let many islands be glad.PSALM 66:4 King James Bible
All the earth shall worship thee, and shall sing unto thee; they shall sing to thy name. Selah.PSALM 76v8
The earth was afraid and was silent ...
Do land, ground, field, etc sings?
Use whatever definition you like but explain the scriptures. It says say the earth sings? Explain how that can be, does the earth have a mouth and vocal cords. We are all still waiting for you to explain the verses. Is it so complicated what I am asking EXPLAIN THE SCRIPTURES ABOVE tell us what they MEAN Why do you not just explain how they can be true?
The earth is afraid
The earth has language
The earth sings
How can these verses be true when the earth has no mouth? EXPLAIN
That is why I said not all earth sings. (Mat 5:5)
Can you support your stand that earth sings in the New Testament?
OT:776
'erets (eh'-rets); from an unused root probably meaning to be firm; the earth (at large, or partitively a land):
KJV - common, country, earth, field, ground, land, natins, way, wilderness, world.
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)
And lexicon defined "world", as seen below but nowhere your definition as "human society" is there.
To answer your question who has the mouth to sing? See the number 5 definition? Still not human society.
I just wonder, where you find that definition. Any lexicon to support it?
NT:2889 kosmos, kosmou, ho;
1. apt and harmonious arrangement or constitution, order
2. ornament, decoration, adornment: 1 Peter 3:3.
3. the world, i. e. the universe Acts 17:24; Rom 4:13.
4. the circle of the earth, the earth Mark 16:15.
5. the inhabitants of the world: 1 Cor 4:9.
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Re: Paradise on Earth
Post #3130So are you saying that the bible verses in question said earth (erets) but it MEANT people? How can that be? the earth / ground is a completely different thing to people. Please explain how ERETS ca be understood to be people.
Remember when you posted this ....
Capbook wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 8:59 am
OT:776
<END HEBREW> 'erets (eh'-rets); from an unused root probably meaning to be firm; the earth (at large, or partitively a land):
KJV - common, country, earth, field, ground, land, natins, way, wilderness, world.
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)
I dont see the word PEOPLE there. Why are you now saying erets EARTH /LAND can mean people ? How ? Please explain.
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