JESUS IS NOT GOD

[onewithhim]

I would very much like to get opinions on this subject. I'll provide several verses from the King James Version of the Bible, and I ask you to give me feed-back.


Jesus' words:

1) "Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise." (John 5:19)

2) "My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me." (John 7:16)

3) "Neither came I of myself, but he sent me." (John 8:42)

He replied, after the Pharisees accused him of making himself God:
4) "Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the SON of God?" (John 10:36)

5) "For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say....Whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak." (John 12:49,50)

6) To his Father in prayer: "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God , and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." (John 17:3)

7) "I ascend unto my Father, and your Father, and to my God, and your God." (John 20:17)

To John in the Revelation:
8) "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God..." (Revelation 3:12)



Do these quotations show that Jesus was NOT God?

Do YOU believe that he claimed to be God?

[JacksonDeville]

Jesus isn't the only son. Revelation 21:7 says I am the son of God and Matthew 12:40 says I am the son of man since I experienced the overcoming/victory.

[onewithhim]

Jesus isn't the only son. Revelation 21:7 says I am the son of God and Matthew 12:40 says I am the son of man since I experienced the overcoming/victory.

Jesus is the same one. He said he was the Son of God and also Son of man.

[Capbook]

Jesus isn't the only son. Revelation 21:7 says I am the son of God and Matthew 12:40 says I am the son of man since I experienced the overcoming/victory.

Jesus is the same one. He said he was the Son of God and also Son of man.

Yes, Jesus is man. (in human nature)
Yes, there's only one God.
But Jesus is also God even called real God.

1Jn 5:20 We know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding so that we know the real God. We are in the one who is real, his Son Jesus Christ. This Jesus Christ is the real God and eternal life. (GOD's WORD Translation)

[JehovahsWitness]

1Jn 5:20 We know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding so that we know the real God. We are in the one who is real, his Son Jesus Christ. This Jesus Christ is the real God and eternal life. (GOD's WORD Translation)

The translators above have taken undue liberties. The name Jesus Christ is mentioned only once in the verse and not twice. The expression "Jesus Christ is the real God" is an addition by the translator (see below)

1 JOHN 5:20 - KING JAMES BIBLE

And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

"Him that is true" = The Father JEHOVAH (Yhwh), not Jesus.

JOHN 17:3

This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.

[Capbook]

1Jn 5:20 We know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding so that we know the real God. We are in the one who is real, his Son Jesus Christ. This Jesus Christ is the real God and eternal life. (GOD's WORD Translation)

The translators above have taken undue liberties. The name Jesus Christ is mentioned only once in the verse and not twice. The expression "Jesus Christ is the real God" is an addition by the translator (see below)

1 JOHN 5:20 - KING JAMES BIBLE

And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

"Him that is true" = The Father JEHOVAH (Yhwh), not Jesus.

JOHN 17:3

This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.

GOD's WORD is a thought for thought translation and that is what the translators understand 1John 5:20.
John 17:3 does end in period but of comma, and followed by "and the one whom you sent Jesus Christ."
Why there is and?

[JehovahsWitness]

GOD's WORD is a thought for thought translation and that is what the translators understand 1John 5:20.

When an imperfect translator injects his own thoughts in opposition to those of the writer's then it is a corruption and should be rejected.

I do not agree with their understanding and their translation takes unsupported liberties by repreating Jesus name where the writer did not!

[Capbook]

GOD's WORD is a thought for thought translation and that is what the translators understand 1John 5:20.

When an imperfect translator injects his own thoughts in opposition to those of the writer's then it is a corruption and should be rejected.

I do not agree with their understanding and their translation takes unsupported liberties by repreating Jesus name where the writer did not!

I believe you are familiar with this translator which the writer found to be inadequately trained to perform the task of Bible translation.
https://www.neverthirsty.org/bible-qa/q ... anslation/

It should be noted that Frederick Franz was Raymond Franz’s uncle and one of the WTBTS’ presidents. It is reported that Frederick Franz, the primary translator of the NWT, had only twenty-one hours of formal classical Greek training at the University of Cincinnati[7] and only two hours of Biblical Greek or Koine Greek.[8] This information was provided in Frederick Franz’s 1911 autobiography in which he published his own college transcript.[9] It is important to note that Koine Greek is the language taught in theological seminaries for Biblical studies. The normal study course lasts for two years or four semesters. This means that the primary translator of the NWT was inadequately trained to perform the task of Bible translation. (quoted online)

[JehovahsWitness]

GOD's WORD is a thought for thought translation and that is what the translators understand 1John 5:20.

When an imperfect translator injects his own thoughts in opposition to those of the writer's then it is a corruption and should be rejected.

I do not agree with their understanding and their translation takes unsupported liberties by repreating Jesus name where the writer did not!

I believe ...

What has your beliefngit to do with the fact that the name Jesus Christ not was only mentioned once (not twice) in the Greek manuscript?

[Capbook]

GOD's WORD is a thought for thought translation and that is what the translators understand 1John 5:20.

When an imperfect translator injects his own thoughts in opposition to those of the writer's then it is a corruption and should be rejected.

I do not agree with their understanding and their translation takes unsupported liberties by repreating Jesus name where the writer did not!

I believe ...

What has your beliefngit to do with the fact that the name Jesus Christ not was only mentioned once (not twice) in the Greek manuscript?

Though you did not address about as you say "imperfect translator", could Frederick Franz also be one?
Jesus Christ is mentioned in Greek in 1John 5:20.

1Jn 5:20 οιδαμεν δε οτι ο υιος του θεου ηκει και δεδωκεν ημιν διανοιαν ινα γινωσκωμεν τον αληθινον και εσμεν εν τω αληθινω εν τω υιω αυτου ιησου χριστω ουτος εστιν ο αληθινος θεος και η ζωη αιωνιος

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[JehovahsWitness]

Though you did not address ...

I addressed everything that was relevant to the point being made.


Be blessed,

JEHOVAH'S WITNESS