Is this Pro-Life?

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US Southern Baptists condemn IVF procedure

June 12 (Reuters) - The Southern Baptist Convention, the largest Protestant denomination in the U.S., on Wednesday voted to condemn the use of in vitro fertilization, signaling the campaign by evangelicals against abortion is widening to include the popular fertility treatment.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-sou ... 024-06-12/

Why would the creation of life be condemned by a group that is primarily "pro-life?"


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[Purple Knight]

I don't know what "be fruitful and multiply" is supposed to mean if you worked yourself to the bone until you were 35 just to be able to afford a baby, and then needed the procedure in order to have one.

I do try to defend the other side but this time I can't find much worthy of defence. God gets mad at people for spilling their seed on the ground precisely because it won't make a baby. Male-to-female sex, without pulling out, is promoted because it is what makes a baby. Other things are denounced because they don't make a baby. If IVF is what makes a baby then they at least shouldn't have anything against it.

Wasn't there that one guy who got tricked into a wife he didn't want, then had to toil longer for the one he did want, ended up with two, the one he favoured didn't get pregnant, but then God intervened and let her get pregnant?

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Why would the creation of life be condemned by a group that is primarily "pro-life?"

Because the procedure produces more embryos than are implanted. Since the narrative is that any fertilized ovum has a "right to life," flushing an unimplanted zygote is murder even if it's part of the procedure to help another be born.

[Tcg]

I don't know what "be fruitful and multiply" is supposed to mean if you worked yourself to the bone until you were 35 just to be able to afford a baby, and then needed the procedure in order to have one.

I do try to defend the other side but this time I can't find much worthy of defence. God gets mad at people for spilling their seed on the ground precisely because it won't make a baby. Male-to-female sex, without pulling out, is promoted because it is what makes a baby. Other things are denounced because they don't make a baby. If IVF is what makes a baby then they at least shouldn't have anything against it.

Wasn't there that one guy who got tricked into a wife he didn't want, then had to toil longer for the one he did want, ended up with two, the one he favoured didn't get pregnant, but then God intervened and let her get pregnant?

That would be Jacob whose name was later changed to Israel. The patriarch of the Israelites. He fell in love with Rachel the younger of two sisters. Her dad Laban tricked Jacob into marrying the older sister Leah first. The story is in Genesis 29.


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Why would the creation of life be condemned by a group that is primarily "pro-life?"

Because the procedure produces more embryos than are implanted. Since the narrative is that any fertilized ovum has a "right to life," flushing an unimplanted zygote is murder even if it's part of the procedure to help another be born.

Yep. I've read recently that some Southern Baptists are "adopting" embryos. Seems that would solve the problem.


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[Purple Knight]

That would be Jacob whose name was later changed to Israel. The patriarch of the Israelites. He fell in love with Rachel the younger of two sisters. Her dad Laban tricked Jacob into marrying the older sister Leah first. The story is in Genesis 29.

That story read to me as, "Yes, you can have help, especially if you already worked extra hard to get that baby."

God tells people what to do, and what not to do. They also think the Bible is divine and perfect. It'd tell you not to have IVF if you weren't supposed to have IVF.

Now, what was mentioned a few posts above is interesting, that more embryos are made than are used, but since that's true of the natural process too, and a lot of natural fertilisations do not result in an implantation let alone a baby, I still don't see the problem, though I would if they selected the embryo to survive in a way other than randomly.