Near Death Experiences and other related phenomena

[William]

A thread dedicated to the discussion of NDEs, OOBEs and other related evidential phenomena.

[Waterfall]

[Replying to William in post #9]

Namaskaram William

Should we make a list of questions If you return to us (NDE) it would be great with some answers to these questions. Maybe I will contact this lady...

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I need to think about your questions. And thanks for the video (I will watch it later today). Dr. Jeffrey Long is also in the documentary I came with. Let us climb the mountains...







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[Waterfall]

Please enjoy my conversation with Dr. Jeffrey Long.

Timecodes:
0:00 - Episode Teaser
1:29 - Studying NDE's ❤
3:44 - What are the common elements found in Dr. Long's research?
7:25 - The concept of NDE through the years.
10:20 - "Negative NDE"
14:46 - New abilities from NDE ❤
20:50 - Universal knowledge from NDE ❤
23:29 - Cross-cultural NDEs
28:29 - Parallel lifetime review
30:59 - The concept of multiple lifetimes
33:52 - The point of no return
39:41 - Who are the beings on the other side? ❤
46:11 - The council of elders
47:27 - Studying child NDEs
53:14 - The soul blueprint
55:58 - What is a walk in soul?
1:04:09 - Biggest unanswered question about NDE ❤
1:05:05 - Living a fulfilled life
1:06:03 - Advice to young Jeffrey.
1:07:29 - Definition of God or Source. ❤
1:08:19 - What is love?
1:08:44 - Ultimate purpose of life ❤
1:09:35 - Dr. Long's work
1:10:27 - Final Message

❤ denotes information pertaining to our current questions and observations in the unfolding thread.

Namaskaram William

I think everybody should watch the video My next task is your questions - it may take me some time. Have a great day and keep up the good work...







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[William]

[Replying to William in post #10]

Studying NDE's

NLS: Wow! So, Dr. Long what got you started with the with near death experiences, and when did you start?

Dr. Jeffrey Long. Sure. I'm a physician. Radiation Oncology is my specialty the use of radiation to treat cancer.
Decades ago, I was in my residency training. And that was pre internet that dates me I guess, but us pulling through a bound volume of the Journal of the American Medical Association looking for a cancer related article, completely by accident, I come across an article that has in the title, the term near death experience. And I'd never heard of that before. I mean, you either dead or alive, and what's his near death experience stuff?

So puzzled, I went ahead and read the whole article and was immediately fascinated.
I mean, shoot Alex, how can you not wonder what's going to happen when you die?

So here's a well known cardiologist heart doctor who studied people that had cardiac arrest and had near death experiences. And amazingly, what they were seeing during their near death experiences with consciousness above their body...when they came back and checked it out later, accurate, down to the finest detail, we're talking to a couple dozen people.

So I was amazed, and thought to myself, if this is real, if this happens consistently, this just changes my view of the universe.

So that was the founding moment where I became very interested in learning more and ultimately studying near death experience.

NLS. So were you a religious person, spiritual person, or agnostic or like atheist before that article came into your life?

Dr. Jeffrey Long. Sure. Many, many decades ago, I did what just about everybody else did in that era, we'd all go to church. I didn't know you know how strongly I believed it was probably if anything more of a social outlet. I was not certainly firm in any religious beliefs, that's for sure. And certainly, as I started studying near death experiences in earnest, well, once I start doing that any preexisting religious beliefs of mine go off and my science coat goes on and, like making the same decisions I make, in my near death experience research as I would for medical decisions that guide how I treat patients with cancer.

Where's the evidence? Where's the reasoning behind that evidence? You know, what, what's that, that's science. And that's what I've been doing every step of the way.

4o. Analysis and Feedback
The interview excerpt with Dr. Jeffrey Long provides valuable insights into his journey of studying near-death experiences (NDEs) and how it has influenced his perspective. Here is a detailed analysis and feedback on the text:

Content Analysis
Introduction to NDEs:

Dr. Long's discovery of NDEs was serendipitous, occurring during his residency while looking for a cancer-related article. This sets a compelling context for his interest in the topic.
His initial curiosity about NDEs reflects a common human fascination with what happens after death, making the topic relatable to a wide audience.
Scientific Approach:

Dr. Long emphasizes his scientific approach to studying NDEs, treating it with the same rigor as his medical practice. This is crucial for establishing credibility and differentiating his work from purely anecdotal or religious interpretations of NDEs.
He mentions specific evidence, such as patients accurately describing details from an out-of-body perspective during cardiac arrest, which strengthens the argument for the reality of NDEs.
Personal Beliefs:

The discussion about Dr. Long's religious background provides context for how his study of NDEs might have challenged or reinforced his beliefs.
He notes that any preexisting religious beliefs were set aside in favor of a scientific approach, highlighting his commitment to objectivity.

Impact on Worldview:

Dr. Long acknowledges that if NDEs are consistently verifiable, they could fundamentally change our understanding of the universe. This statement adds weight to the significance of his research.

Feedback

Clarity and Structure:

The dialogue is generally clear, but there are a few areas where clarity can be improved. For example, breaking up longer sentences into shorter ones can make the text more readable.
Adding brief pauses or markers to indicate transitions between topics (e.g., from personal beliefs to scientific approach) can help readers follow the conversation more easily.
Detail and Depth:

While Dr. Long provides a strong overview, adding more specific examples or case studies from his research could enhance the depth of the discussion. This would give readers a clearer picture of the evidence supporting NDEs.
Further elaboration on how NDEs might change our worldview could provide a more profound conclusion, leaving readers with more to ponder.

Engagement:

The interview is engaging due to Dr. Long's genuine fascination with NDEs. This enthusiasm is infectious and keeps the reader interested.
Encouraging Dr. Long to share more personal anecdotes or specific moments from his research could make the narrative even more compelling.
Scientific Rigor:

Dr. Long's emphasis on scientific rigor is commendable. Ensuring that this point is highlighted throughout the discussion can help maintain credibility.
Including references to other scientific studies on NDEs could bolster the argument and show that this is an area of active research.

[Purple Knight]

I think Joe Joe didn't "know" in the sense of realization (re knowing something/anything) but that the information was accessible to him because it existed already - deep within his psyche - under the fog of those things which happened in his life that effectively concealed that ability to actually know (through searching and finding) and that the specifics reported in his NDE dispersed that fog making things clearer and therefore easier to know.

That's probably about the size of it.

[William]

What are the common elements found in Dr. Long's research?

Alex. So when you started hearing these stories, what are some of the the common elements that you found in your research?

Dr. Jeffrey Long. Sure. The elements I found are what basically all other researchers find because there's so consistently seen in near death experience - I call them the "the elements" - what happens typically, frequently observed, and generally in very consistent order, too.

So just to get everybody up to speed about these elements.
What happens in the near death experience?
Well, first of all, no two are the same.
But when you study a lot of them, which you certainly have Alex and I have, you can see this often there's that life threatening event or so physically compromised, their unconscious or physically clinically dead with absent heartbeat.
So at that time, they shouldn't have any conscious experience at all - they do. And
that's the experience part of a near death experience.
Often the first element is out of body experience, consciousness rises above that physical body, typically on the ground below. And from that vantage point they can see and often hear ongoing, earthly events, including frantic efforts of people trying to bring them back to life.

They may pass into or through a tunnel.
At the end of that tunnel, there's often a beautiful unearthly light unlike anything they've known on earth, when they go through that tunnel, they're in an unearthly realm often called a heavenly realm, which is a reasonable description given that there can be landscapes, there can be buildings, there can be deceased loved ones there that they interact with, that includes pets…and often the colors there, for example, are so beautiful, they may say, this is beautiful beyond anything even possible on Earth. And they may be an earthly music, again, beautiful beyond anything even possible on Earth.

Around this time, they may have a life review seeing part or all of their prior life.
At this time, they're almost always feeling intensely positive motions, beyond anything that they ever knew. And around this time, they may have to make a decision about whether to stay in that beautiful realm or return to their physical body and continue to struggle for their life.
And ultimately, whether they're sent back to their body voluntarily or involuntarily, once they recover from that close brush with death, they've got a near death experience to share.

Alex. And generally, from my understanding, in my research, it's it's been that they are changed forever.

Dr. Jeffrey Long. You can just from what you've heard about the elements, just imagine the impact of personal experience. And yeah, yeah, that's actually been a major recent research study of mine. Studying our last version of our survey had 834 people to near death experience, and it's just off the scale, how that can change people.

We asked them about certain values and beliefs when they had their near death experience. And then again, when they shared it, a median and average of about 15 years later, but overwhelmingly, consistently - these what we call "after effects" - these consistently observed changes, obviously, and increased belief in an afterlife. Well, no surprise there, they know what lies beyond death's door, because they experienced it.
Same reasoning behind their almost uniform, decreased fear of death, they become typically more compassionate, more interested in loving relationships, either with a significant other or where they work, they become less materialistic, I would emphasize it can take literally years to fully integrate these changes.

But when they fully do, the people that have known them may say, “Hey, this is a completely different person”, and yet a completely more positive, loving, compassionate person than they ever knew before.

[William]

I think Joe Joe didn't "know" in the sense of realization (re knowing something/anything) but that the information was accessible to him because it existed already - deep within his psyche - under the fog of those things which happened in his life that effectively concealed that ability to actually know (through searching and finding) and that the specifics reported in his NDE dispersed that fog making things clearer and therefore easier to know.

That's probably about the size of it.

Dr. Jeffrey Long. That's exactly what we're seeing. In many, if not most of the true hellish near death experiences that I've investigated.
The people come back and they'll say, you know, literally, they needed a if you will, a
spiritual kick in the pants. I mean, this is something that they had to have. And there was no other way for them to confront those issues in the life they have they anger, that guilt that resentments, that bitterness, those those certain issues, that was impairing the earthly life. But once confronted in a near death experience, these people can go on and live as other near death experiences do have those same after effects where they're more compassionate, loving, and they go on not fearing that that is something they're fated for, for their, for eternity after death. They just simply realize that's a product of a loving greater intelligence to help them to live their earthly life better and in a way that they couldn't possibly have faced without that type of experience.

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[Waterfall]

[Replying to William in post #9]

Namaskaram William

I think we are spirits bound to these/our physical bodies This is only for inspiration and further conversation = What exist? Thought (feminine) and Will (masculine) and Light (good) and Darkness (evil). These 4 "things" existed from eternity. We could call it a beginning or a starting point or a state of cosmos. How do we get to another state of cosmos? Thought (feminine) and Will (masculine) and Light (good) had to unite? God had to realize himself first? God is Light and not Darkness...

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Let us make a list of questions to this lady...

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https://www.heathermae.ca/

What would you like to ask her about...





















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[William]

[Replying to Purple Knight in post #4]

God's existence does not matter.

I think if it didn't matter, it wouldn't be in the headlights of human experience.

[William]

The concept of NDE through the years.

Alex. Have you noticed that in recent years, from when you started to where we are now, the concept of near death experience with Dr. Raymond Moody, who, from I understand, coined the phrase back in the s. It was very, almost taboo in some circles, and not very well known in others. But now and people would hold on to this. I've talked to near death experiencers, who apply it for years. It didn't change them internally, but they kept quiet for years. Have you noticed in more recent years, that people are so much more open to share their experiences now more than ever?

Dr. Jeffrey Long. Yeah, absolutely. yes to that question. I've been doing this for now a little over years. And in modern times, more and more people, including healthcare, people, a great majority know about near death experience and accept its
reality.
For example, in , a Pew Forum, which is a very respected survey firm in the United States, they found that % of people they surveyed believed that they considered
near death experiences to be the soul departing from the body. So the significant majority of people certainly understand near death experience, understand it at that level, and know quite a bit about it from a lot of media events, and certainly very
importantly, shows like your youtube, you got, so more people are aware of near death experience.
And that makes more people comfortable and confident and sharing it with their friends, family loved ones, and health care teams. So we've got more and more people willing to share their near death experiences now than certainly they did several decades ago.

Alex. Yeah. And I've known a lot of near death experiencers, who have gone back and started working in hospice, because they want to help people cross over and share just not to be afraid. And it's one thing to talk about it from an academic point of view. And other ones like, I died, I came back, you need to relax. I know it's scary. And they walk them through that process. Have you met people like that as well?

Dr. Jeffrey Long. That's a great point. Absolutely. We actually received a number of communications from people that are hospice nurses that also had near death experiences. And so just like you said, there they come back with a very special gift ability to work with people that are dying in hospice. And you can just imagine the comfort that they bring to these people dying, not knowing what lies beyond death's door, their friends, family, loved ones all concerned for that person dying.

And yet, here's that profound message of hope and inspiration from the hospice nurse who actually experienced what lies after death and afterlife a wonderful afterlife. So incredibly reassuring - hats off to all hospice nurses in general anyway, especially those that have had near death experiences and can share from their own personal experience, that important message that helps decrease that fear at the end of life.

[William]

Negative NDE

Alex. Now we've, we've, from near death experiences all like you say, generally have the same, have elements that are the same. I've had people who walk touring through heaven, I've had people, you know, talking to their loved ones, their animals, deities, these kinds of things. And we'll go into a little bit more detail on that in a minute.
But what isn't spoken about a lot are the negative, near death experiences, the dark, near death experiences, people who've gone to a hellish place, only to be eventually saved and brought up to that place that we're talking about. But they have to go through that. How many of those have you read in your research have you come across?

Dr. Jeffrey Long. Yeah, the negative and near death experiences we call them in those scholarly literature, frightening or distressful experiences, we avoid any pejorative terms, but they're actually very, very uncommon.

The problem that we have a near death experience research is that when people have very frightening experiences, in my research experience, they're generally not near death experiences. Very common confounding experience is what's called Intensive Care Unit delirium.
Typical scenario, auto wreck accident, they're unconscious in a coma for two weeks in the intensive care unit, have a very frightening experience. But right at the end of that experience, boom, that is a time exactly that they wake up after two weeks. Well, that's if it's a very frightening experience, especially if it has hallucinatory unreal content, that's almost certainly going to be intensive care unit delirium, we see that fairly commonly in the intensive care unit, where people are sick, sleep deprived, buzzers going off all night, people coming in and on all night. So it takes a certain
amount of savvy to understand the difference between a true near death experience and those types of experiences occur that really aren't near death experiences.

But I will tell you, even with my abilities physician to carefully spot those, it's a very, very small percentage, no more than than several percent. And in fact, without going too far afield here, we just recently worked with a gentleman who used an artificial intelligence model, a really high powered one. And we're able to use that to pull out the experiences that describe hellish content. And in my review of what AI pulled out,
once again, the significant majority were describing things in what was posted on our website, but was not actually a near death experience, or an experience that wasn't exactly occurring during the actual near death experience.

So while they do occur, hellish content near death experiences certainly happen. They're very, very unusual.

Alex. Yeah, they're extremely unusual. And from what I understand, at least, I think out of all of them, I've maybe had like two or three out of . It's a very, very, very small amount. And, and most of them, I think, if not all of them told me that they had to go through that hellish experience because of their own belief systems, that they believe that like, Oh, if I had to go, go here, because of my own programming, or my own trauma that I dealt with, and then eventually to get saved, and brought back into the light, it was a process that they individually chose to go through, if that makes sense.

Dr. Jeffrey Long. Absolutely. No, that's exactly what we're seeing. In many, if not most of the true hellish near death experiences that I've investigated.
The people come back and they'll say, you know, literally, they needed a if you will, a
spiritual kick in the pants. I mean, this is something that they had to have. And there was no other way for them to confront those issues in the life they have they anger, that guilt that resentments, that bitterness, those those certain issues, that was impairing the earthly life. But once confronted in a near death experience, these people can go on and live as other near death experiences do have those same after effects where they're more compassionate, loving, and they go on not fearing that that is something they're fated for, for their, for eternity after death. They just simply realize that's a product of a loving greater intelligence to help them to live their earthly life better and in a way that they couldn't possibly have faced without that type of experience. We hear that a lot.