The Great Global Warming Swindle

[Bart007]

Is Global warming occuring because humans iin the 20th century are filling our atmosphere with enormous amounts of CO2? Or is it politicians manipulating the voting public using fear?

Yes, we are experiencing global warming. It is caused by changes in radiaition output in the sun. It is not caused by humans emmiting CO2 in the Atmosphere.

Al Gore is completely wrong, over 18,000 scientists have signed the Oregon Petition rejecting Al Gore's claims that humans are the cause of Global warming.

Most probable cause of the recent global warming is changes in radiation from the sun.

We are currently undergoing global warming, this has been ongoing since 1900 AD. We just came out of the mini ice age that occurred from 1370 AD until 1900 AD. We have a ways to go before we reach the global temperatures that we had 1,000 years ago. Greenland was actually green back then. Perhaps it was the more violent storms on the Atlantic that delayed the discovery of America by Europeans until 1492 (aside from the viking explorers and settlers that came to Greenland and North America).

In the medieval global warming, England was wine country, the Vikings and Sweden had population explosions and they necame world powers. Greenland was green and the vikings had settlements on the coast of Northern Greenland. There was a mini ice age before and after the Medieval warm period. Prior to the dark ages ice age, there was a Roman warm period that was much warmer than the temperatures today.

Some politicians and their allies tend to replace science with scare tactics in an effort to rally people behind them and thereby influence election outcomes.

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[katiej49]

i dont know. i do know this. i live in Texas which is hotter than hell in the summer. We are having the coldest spring i've ever seen in my life. It snowed on April 4th (never in my life have i seen it snow in april...heck i've hardly seen snow at all).....God once sent me a lovely snowfall on Valentines Day as a love gift....the snow saturday was also a love gift, as He knows I love snow, and saturday was a low point in my life due to some issues...i praise Him for it.........................buts its very cold here now for this time of year.

[MagusYanam]

Snow in April? In Texas? Lucky for you.

In Beijing we only got one real good snow, which melted off the very next day, this February's been so warm. I know that in Vermont they almost didn't have a sugaring season because the climate has been warming so much - maples require a daytime temperature above freezing and a nighttime temperature below for the sap to be good for sugaring. If it keeps up like this, my grandparents will have to rely solely on their dairy farming to keep themselves in the black.

Regardless of what Bart says, global warming is a real issue with roots in human activity (not in 'sunspots' - let him prove his case with a history of sunspot activity, if he can. I - and my lungs - think the sources much closer to home and much more tangible.) and farmers like my grandparents will be just a handful of those who will end up paying the price.

[Goat]

i dont know. i do know this. i live in Texas which is hotter than hell in the summer. We are having the coldest spring i've ever seen in my life. It snowed on April 4th (never in my life have i seen it snow in april...heck i've hardly seen snow at all).....God once sent me a lovely snowfall on Valentines Day as a love gift....the snow saturday was also a love gift, as He knows I love snow, and saturday was a low point in my life due to some issues...i praise Him for it.........................buts its very cold here now for this time of year.

There is a difference between local varation, and the average. Up in the north east, we didn't get our first snowfall till late Janurary, with all of december being in the upper 40's and 50's. That is unheard of.

[Fisherking]

IF we come up with an argument something like this:

1. The earth is warming

a. the earth is warming do to natural phenomena

b. the earth is warming do to anthropomorphic activities

c. the earth is warming do to a combination of both

2. Since the earth is warming it will:

a. destroy the planet

b. improve the planet:

c. basically stay the same

3. So, mankind should ----------------.

I think it is 90% political. They are trying to jump from 1 to 3.

[Goat]

IF we come up with an argument something like this:

1. The earth is warming

a. the earth is warming do to natural phenomena

b. the earth is warming do to anthropomorphic activities

c. the earth is warming do to a combination of both

2. Since the earth is warming it will:

a. destroy the planet

b. improve the planet:

c. basically stay the same

3. So, mankind should ----------------.

I think it is 90% political. They are trying to jump from 1 to 3.

I think it is a conclusion, since the warming of the planet closely aligns itself with the amount of co2 pumped into the air with the industrialization. I don't think they are trying to jump from 1 to 3. We have , for example, evidence that the methene frozen in the ocean floor can be released at a certain tempature, and this cause an even higher surge in tempature. This has been linked to a mass exstinction event in the past.

[Bart007]

IF we come up with an argument something like this:

1. The earth is warming

a. the earth is warming do to natural phenomena

b. the earth is warming do to anthropomorphic activities

c. the earth is warming do to a combination of both

2. Since the earth is warming it will:

a. destroy the planet

b. improve the planet:

c. basically stay the same

3. So, mankind should ----------------.

I think it is 90% political. They are trying to jump from 1 to 3.

I think it is a conclusion, since the warming of the planet closely aligns itself with the amount of co2 pumped into the air with the industrialization. I don't think they are trying to jump from 1 to 3. We have , for example, evidence that the methene frozen in the ocean floor can be released at a certain tempature, and this cause an even higher surge in tempature. This has been linked to a mass exstinction event in the past.

And this is why it is a waste of time posting here on debating Christianity, many replies by the same people, saying the same unsubstantiated claims over and over again, having no root in reality.

I gave several detailed post explaining and detailing precisely the science that shows CO2 does not align up with 'the warming of the planet' at all. Yet I get this type of response, a meaningless statement because it is merely a declarative statement with no science to support it.

As for Methane in the atmosphere, it is many times more powerful than CO2 as a greenhouse gas (and for that matter so is water vapor), but what they don't tell you in those propaganda science programs that depend on Federal funding, methane (CH4) can not accumulate in our atmosphere because rain does an extremely effective job of removing methane from out atmosphere.

And whoever put this thread in 'Random Ramblings' should have his head examined. It is a fine example of how in the modern culture, stupidity is winning out over rational thinking and truth is losing out to some very bad science fiction and to political manipulations.

[QED]

And this is why it is a waste of time posting here on debating Christianity, many replies by the same people, saying the same unsubstantiated claims over and over again, having no root in reality.

I gave several detailed post explaining and detailing precisely the science that shows CO2 does not align up with 'the warming of the planet' at all. Yet I get this type of response, a meaningless statement because it is merely a declarative statement with no science to support it.

As for Methane in the atmosphere, it is many times more powerful than CO2 as a greenhouse gas (and for that matter so is water vapor), but what they don't tell you in those propaganda science programs that depend on Federal funding, methane (CH4) can not accumulate in our atmosphere because rain does an extremely effective job of removing methane from out atmosphere.

And whoever put this thread in 'Random Ramblings' should have his head examined. It is a fine example of how in the modern culture, stupidity is winning out over rational thinking and truth is losing out to some very bad science fiction and to political manipulations.

The owner of these forums set them up specifically to debate Christianity and Religion. Although I can personally see many parallels between your topic and the way Global Warming seems to have become a religion for some, I cannot fault the decision to move your topic from the DC&R debating sub-forums. We could raise a suggestion that otseng includes a debating forum for matters unconnected with Religion proper.

As for unsubstantiated claims being repeated time after time elsewhere -- ultimately it seems, I'm afraid to say, to be an unavoidable consequence of our limited access to fundamental knowledge about our world. Of course may debates don't always get down to this bedrock layer, but it always seem to be waiting there in the background to thwart our conclusions.

[otseng]

And whoever put this thread in 'Random Ramblings' should have his head examined. It is a fine example of how in the modern culture, stupidity is winning out over rational thinking and truth is losing out to some very bad science fiction and to political manipulations.

I was the one who moved it to RR. Though I probably should have my head examined for other things, I don't think moving this thread warrants it.

The reason I moved it is that I see no reference in your OP to Christianity or religion. If there is, it is not obviously stated. This forum is to debate Christianity and religion, not a forum to debate anything on anyone's mind.

If you can modify your OP and simply have some reference to religion, I'd be glad to move it into one of the debate subforums.

[Osiris]

Is Global warming occuring because humans iin the 20th century are filling our atmosphere with enormous amounts of CO2? Or is it politicians manipulating the voting public using fear?

Yes, we are experiencing global warming. It is caused by changes in radiaition output in the sun. It is not caused by humans emmiting CO2 in the Atmosphere.

Al Gore is completely wrong, over 18,000 scientists have signed the Oregon Petition rejecting Al Gore's claims that humans are the cause of Global warming.

Most probable cause of the recent global warming is changes in radiation from the sun.

We are currently undergoing global warming, this has been ongoing since 1900 AD. We just came out of the mini ice age that occurred from 1370 AD until 1900 AD. We have a ways to go before we reach the global temperatures that we had 1,000 years ago. Greenland was actually green back then. Perhaps it was the more violent storms on the Atlantic that delayed the discovery of America by Europeans until 1492 (aside from the viking explorers and settlers that came to Greenland and North America).

In the medieval global warming, England was wine country, the Vikings and Sweden had population explosions and they necame world powers. Greenland was green and the vikings had settlements on the coast of Northern Greenland. There was a mini ice age before and after the Medieval warm period. Prior to the dark ages ice age, there was a Roman warm period that was much warmer than the temperatures today.

Some politicians and their allies tend to replace science with scare tactics in an effort to rally people behind them and thereby influence election outcomes.

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The sun is not producing more radiation and radiation would not cause global warming anyway. Do your research. Have you heard of the greenhouse effect? This is not a political issue. You are only harming yourself.

[The Persnickety Platypus]

One question. Exactly what do scientists have to gain politically?

There was a scientific consensus on this issue LONG before the likes of Al Gore jumped in.



Time constraints and laziness is preventing me from summoning the motivation needed to read through any of the previous pages. I am just going to throw this out there, just in case everyone has thusfar neglected to point out the glaringly obvious:



What do you know. There seems to be some sort of positive correlation therer. When Co2 increases, temperature increases. That's simple science. You will not find a single reputable scientist that says otherwise.

("reputable", in this case, meaning a scientist who is not getting money from ExxonMobil)