Slavery

[Malleus]

Hi there, Malleus here, long time reader, first time complainer. I am wondering, is the so called moral high ground that various religious groups seem to take warranted, having just read a section of the ten commandments, I came upon a passage thus:

(1) Then God spoke all these words: (2) I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery; (3) you shall have no other gods before me. (4) You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. (5) You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and the fourth generation of those who reject me, (6) but showing steadfast love to the thousandth generation of those who love me and keep my commandments. (7) You shall not make wrongful use of the name of the Lord your God, for the Lord will not acquit anyone who misuses his name. (8) Remember the sabbath day, and keep it holy. (9) Six days you shall labor and do all your work. (10) But the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God; you shall not do any work—you, your son or your daughter, your male or female slave, your livestock, or the alien resident in your towns. (11) For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but rested the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day and consecrated it. (12) Honor your father and your mother, so that your days may be long in the land that the Lord your God is giving you. (13) You shall not murder. (14) You shall not commit adultery. (15) You shall not steal. (16) You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. (17) You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or male or female slave, or ox, or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.
Exodus 20:1-17

As you can see, it first talks of how god has removed the followers from the house of slavery, yet seems to make it clear in the bolded sections that it is fine and dandy to own slaves. Opinions???

Question: Is the Bible a piece of Hate literature proposing double standards and endorsing slavery?

[Greatest I Am]

Good morning Greatest,

I understand you very well I believe. You're presenting another perspective of "slavery" with a scope that is expanded beyond the meaning, I believe Righteous intended.

Where as you are not dealing with the issues Righteous is raising directly, if I understand you correctly in the perspective you've presented here, you're implying that if we deal with the expanded view of the problem of "slavery" that is all of us being slaves to a system in which we are oppressed regardless of the position we are in, in solving the problem of slavery as expressed in you're perspective we will be solving the issues raised by Righteous at the same. As it is contained within the expanded scenario you have presented to us.

Is that not correct Greatest?

Correct or not in the teachings of Jesus we find a solution. He preached a gospel in which all humans are free, slave as well as slave owner. I believe He could see your perspective Greatest as well as others that we do not yet grasp. So He could see that both Slave and Slave owner needed Salvation from the system you describe. So He told them both and us all that "My kingdom, the kingdom of God, is within you." It is not of this world. So he taught of another system, a system of God in which slave and slave owner and all of us would be freed. So we see that the change that we implement in ourselves by finding and discovering this kingdom that Jesus spoke of and then living in accordance to its WAY we are saved by an internal adjustment of perspective and realization of the REAL US from God's perspective and freed from the outward appearance of oppression to live a joyful and fulfilling Spirit led life. Where "slavery" is recognized and understood and the value of replacing the manifestation of "the concepts of slavery" in the world with "concepts of the brotherhood and sisterhood of human kind with the sole God ordained purpose of uplifting and providing service to one another in the advancement of humankind, becomes a reality.
I thank God Greatest, for your open and perceiving mind and heart. I thank righteous for his moral values and his willingness to commit to action in support of those values.

I pray that those who would argue with these precepts taught by Christ and many great religious and moral leaders for the sake of argument or for any purpose at all, consider the value of adopting this life saving and world improving perspective.

To the God believers I pray that they listen to this Gospel. To the non-God believers I ask that they listen to and see the value of these ideas and concepts of self improvement by the adoption of a problem solving and life healing perspective of the human condition as it pertains to the individual and through that individual to the rest of the world. For Jesus taught that this message is for believers and non-believers alike, regardless of faith, creed, race, gender, economic position, nationality, age or any other of the discrimination's that we might try to present to impede the absorption into humanity of the value of these ideas.

To my fellow believers I say, Amen! To my fellow non-believers I say Cheers my brothers and sisters!

Live Long and Free and Prosper!

Glad I'm not just speaking without being understood.

Regards
DL

[ilovepikachuandjesus]

To my understanding on the books of the law, God came wrote a way in which slaves were permitted for paying off debts. For example if I couldn't owe someone the money I owed, I would work for them till my debt was payed off. Quite often this would lead to work for those who were unemployed. Also after so many years debts were written off and slaves were returned. Under this system legal justice was done in a manner pleasing to God.

However, with all of God's laws, the slave laws to became distorted when people took advantage of them. They stopped giving slaves back when the debt was cleared and the period of cancelling debts and returning slaves was forgotten. This was not pleasing to the LORD.

Therefore, Christians should not condome slavery as it is known today.

[Greatest I Am]

To my understanding on the books of the law, God came wrote a way in which slaves were permitted for paying off debts. For example if I couldn't owe someone the money I owed, I would work for them till my debt was payed off. Quite often this would lead to work for those who were unemployed. Also after so many years debts were written off and slaves were returned. Under this system legal justice was done in a manner pleasing to God.

However, with all of God's laws, the slave laws to became distorted when people took advantage of them. They stopped giving slaves back when the debt was cleared and the period of cancelling debts and returning slaves was forgotten. This was not pleasing to the LORD.

GIA wrote
This would not have happened too often. Too easy in those days to revenge.

Therefore, Christians should not condone slavery as it is known today.

Today wealth is backed up by gold.
In the times of the writing of the Bible humans were the sign of wealth.
We were a commodity then, we should not be today.

Regards
DL