JESUS IS NOT GOD

[onewithhim]

I would very much like to get opinions on this subject. I'll provide several verses from the King James Version of the Bible, and I ask you to give me feed-back.


Jesus' words:

1) "Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise." (John 5:19)

2) "My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me." (John 7:16)

3) "Neither came I of myself, but he sent me." (John 8:42)

He replied, after the Pharisees accused him of making himself God:
4) "Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the SON of God?" (John 10:36)

5) "For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say....Whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak." (John 12:49,50)

6) To his Father in prayer: "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God , and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." (John 17:3)

7) "I ascend unto my Father, and your Father, and to my God, and your God." (John 20:17)

To John in the Revelation:
8) "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God..." (Revelation 3:12)



Do these quotations show that Jesus was NOT God?

Do YOU believe that he claimed to be God?

[LittleNipper]

Christ made you (body and soul), and he will redeem you (body and soul). He will do it in this order; soul now, body later. All that God has made is good and all that God has made he will redeem.

Soul: the spiritual or immaterial part of a human being or animal, regarded as immortal.

It appears that you believe the immortal soul myth that man is born as an immortal soul living within a physical body. Here' is how evangelist Dr. Billy Graham put it:

"Your eternal soul is the most valuable thing you possess. You have a body, but living inside of you is your spirit or soul. And when a person dies, what happens? The soul goes on."

(Speaking on the value of the soul, he continued)

"First, it's valuable because it's eternal. It's going to live forever. A million years from now, our soul will be living. The body is the house, the soul is the tenant. But when the body dies, the soul lives on. The good news is that God offers eternal life to every soul."

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The scriptures form the most amazing book ever written. The answers to man's every question are placed into a book which is brilliantly sealed from his understanding! Satan immediately sets man off on the totally wrong path when he instills in man the concept that, "Ye shall not surely die." Thus, after the first few pages of Genesis, Satan has successfully sealed the Bible from man's understanding.

This initial false belief that man is born as an immortal soul living within a physical body seals the remainder of the Bible from man's understanding. The remainder of the Bible must be incorrectly "interpreted" to support this original error! Consequently, secondary myths are created to support this initial myth created in the first few pages of Genesis. With a little assistance from Satan, man seals the scriptures from his own understanding!

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In the Old Testament, the scriptures inspired by God used the Hebrew word "nephesh" when referring to both man and other animals.

In their effort to improve on the inspired words of God, most translators decided to translate this one word into multiple words, thus distinguishing between man and animals by assigning immortality to man. If God used one word, should not the translators use that same one word? Do they know more that God? They obviously believed this to be the case. They knew that man is born as an immortal spirit living within a physical body. How did they know this? Satan informed them and all men of this "fact" when he planted the seed that, "Ye shall not surely die."

Thus, animals become "living creatures" while man becomes a "soul" with its eternal life connotations, although in the original scriptures the same word was used by God to apply to both man and the other animals! The Bible goes on to state:

For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity. (Ecclesiastes 3:19)

The Word created man as a living being or "soul" a little lower than the angels. After man ate from the tree of knowledge, we became closer to God and the angels in that we know right from wrong. Now there is only one difference between God and the angels, and mankind. That one difference is longevity:

And the Lord God said, Behold, the man has become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever: Therefore, the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken. (Genesis 3:22-23)

The one unforgivable sin is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. Blasphemy is defined in the Bible as a man assuming to himself the the rights or qualities of God.

When we believe Satan's statement that we shall live forever, we assume the one characteristic which now separates us from being equal unto the angels -- we assume the godly characteristic of immortality.

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Are those preaching the myth of man's immortal soul committing the one unpardonable sin? Have they been fooled by Satan?

Give it some thought.

GOD knows EVERYTHING and created EVERYTHING and has always existed and will always continue to exist. Man can only exist forever from a starting point. The unpardonable sin is refusing the SALVATION that only CHRIST achieved and the HOLY SPIRIT presents with HIS still small voice. Ye must be born-again.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to LittleNipper in post #1431]

Yes, ye must be born again if you are chosen to go to heaven. What about those righteous people who will live on the earth forever?

"For evildoers will be cut off, but those that wait upon the LORD, they shall inherit the earth." (Psalm 37:9, Hebrew-Greek Study Bible)
"The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell therein forever." (Psalm 37:29)

[myth-one.com]

[Replying to LittleNipper in post #1431]

Yes, ye must be born again if you are chosen to go to heaven. What about those righteous people who will live on the earth forever?

"For evildoers will be cut off, but those that wait upon the LORD, they shall inherit the earth." (Psalm 37:9, Hebrew-Greek Study Bible)
"The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell therein forever." (Psalm 37:29)

Ye must be born again of the Spirit as a spirit to inherit the Kingdom of God:

Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. (John 3:5-7)

And the earth will once again become part of the Kingdom of God. In fact, we are instructed in the Lord's prayer to pray for the Earth to become part of the Kingdom of Heaven:

Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. (Matthew 6:10)

Every believer will be born again of the Spirit as spirits which live forever.

This includes those humans which were born again as spirits on the earth!

[myth-one.com]

The unpardonable sin is refusing the SALVATION that only CHRIST achieved and the HOLY SPIRIT presents with HIS still small voice. Ye must be born-again.

Sin is no longer relevant to our salvation:

For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. (Romans 6:14)

Salvation is guaranteed by simply choosing to accept Jesus as one's Savior from the wages of their sins.

Salvation is rejected by simply choosing not to accept Jesus as one's Savior from the wages of their sins.

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (John 3:16)

Believers will gain everlasting spiritual bodied life when born again of the Spirit (God) as a spirit at the Second Coming.

Nonbelievers will perish.

God will honor each person's individual choice, and neither choice is a sin.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to LittleNipper in post #1431]

Yes, ye must be born again if you are chosen to go to heaven. What about those righteous people who will live on the earth forever?

"For evildoers will be cut off, but those that wait upon the LORD, they shall inherit the earth." (Psalm 37:9, Hebrew-Greek Study Bible)
"The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell therein forever." (Psalm 37:29)

Ye must be born again of the Spirit as a spirit to inherit the Kingdom of God:

Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. (John 3:5-7)

And the earth will once again become part of the Kingdom of God. In fact, we are instructed in the Lord's prayer to pray for the Earth to become part of the Kingdom of Heaven:

Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. (Matthew 6:10)

Every believer will be born again of the Spirit as spirits which live forever.

This includes those humans which were born again as spirits on the earth!

Not all Christians will go to heaven, thus leaving millions to reside on the earth forever. The ones who go to heaven are the ones that must be "born again." Not all Christians. A "little flock" of Christians will reign with Christ in heaven, and the "other sheep" will live on a paradise earth. There are two distinct groups (one no more righteous than the other), as Jesus referred to. "To those who would be with him in heaven: "Have no fear, little flock, because your Father has approved of giving you the kingdom." (Luke 12:32) About those who will live on the earth: "I have other sheep, which are not of this fold..." (John 10:16) They will be on Earth but will still be part of the Christian flock.

So not every believer will be born of the spirit to live and reign with Jesus. "Evildoers will be cut off, but those hoping in Jehovah are the ones that will possess the earth....The meek ones will possess the earth and they will indeed find their exquisite delight in the abundance of peace....The righteous will possess the earth and they will reside forever upon it." (Psalm 37: 9,11,29)

And they will be in physical bodies, as is indicated by many scriptures: Isaiah 11:6-9; Micah 4:4; Isaiah 40:31; Job 33:25; Psalm 72:16; Isaiah 25:6; I could go on. (Spirits have no need to eat or drink anything, and the scriptures speak of plenty of grain to eat and wine to drink in the new system of things. Therefore there will be physical humans on the earth, who also interact with the animals which will not harm them.)

[myth-one.com]

Not all Christians will go to heaven, thus leaving millions to reside on the earth forever.

That's correct.

The ones who go to heaven are the ones that must be "born again." Not all Christians.

That's simply incorrect! That would mean that the Christians who reside forever on the earth are not God's children.

I disagree! They are children of God and members of the Kingdom of God.

[LittleNipper]

The unpardonable sin is refusing the SALVATION that only CHRIST achieved and the HOLY SPIRIT presents with HIS still small voice. Ye must be born-again.

Sin is no longer relevant to our salvation:

For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. (Romans 6:14)

Salvation is guaranteed by simply choosing to accept Jesus as one's Savior from the wages of their sins.

Salvation is rejected by simply choosing not to accept Jesus as one's Savior from the wages of their sins.

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (John 3:16)

Believers will gain everlasting spiritual bodied life when born again of the Spirit (God) as a spirit at the Second Coming.

Nonbelievers will perish.

God will honor each person's individual choice, and neither choice is a sin.

If there is no SIN as you say, then what exactly is meant by the unpardonable "SIN". SIN cannot be unpardonable if sin is irrelevant. What is one saved from if not the wages of sin.

[myth-one.com]

The unpardonable sin is refusing the SALVATION that only CHRIST achieved and the HOLY SPIRIT presents with HIS still small voice. Ye must be born-again.

Sin is no longer relevant to our salvation:

For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. (Romans 6:14)

Salvation is guaranteed by simply choosing to accept Jesus as one's Savior from the wages of their sins.

Salvation is rejected by simply choosing not to accept Jesus as one's Savior from the wages of their sins.

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (John 3:16)

Believers will gain everlasting spiritual bodied life when born again of the Spirit (God) as a spirit at the Second Coming.

Nonbelievers will perish.

God will honor each person's individual choice, and neither choice is a sin.

If there is no SIN as you say, then what exactly is meant by the unpardonable "SIN". SIN cannot be unpardonable if sin is irrelevant. What is one saved from if not the wages of sin.

There are two testaments or covenants between God and mankind in the Bible. Under the original covenant one had to be free from sin to become an heir to everlasting life. That is, the wages of sin is death, so those free from sin would gain everlasting life. One had to be forgiven for any sins which they had committed. But there was a fault in the original covenant in that no one had ever meet those standards. All had sinned.

Under the New Testament, one simply has to believe in Jesus as their Savior from the wages of their sins to gain everlasting life:

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him, should not perish, but have everlasting life. (John 3:16)

Thus, under the New Testament, sin no longer affects our salvation -- even the unpardonable sin.

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And I never said there is no sin. Sin abounds everywhere.

But I can say that there is no sin which affects our salvation -- even the unpardonable sin.

If one commits the unpardonable sin, then accepts Jesus as his or her Savior, they shall have everlasting life under terms of the New Testament Covenant.

Salvation is now a gift of God through Jesus Christ which any human can receive.

[onewithhim]

Not all Christians will go to heaven, thus leaving millions to reside on the earth forever.

That's correct.

The ones who go to heaven are the ones that must be "born again." Not all Christians.

That's simply incorrect! That would mean that the Christians who reside forever on the earth are not God's children.

I disagree! They are children of God and members of the Kingdom of God.

Technically, God's "children" are those that are anointed to rule with Christ. Whenever it says anything about God's "children," it is referring to Jehovah, the Father, and those anointed ones. The ones on Earth are part of the Kingdom, as if we were in the "courtyard" of the Kingdom. The anointed ones are in the "Temple" area where the seat of God and of Christ is situated.

[myth-one.com]

Technically, God's "children" are those that are anointed to rule with Christ.

Biblically, here is what the scriptures state about the children of God:

Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit ( God ) is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. (John 3:5-7)

That is, to gain eternal life you must first be born as a human being, or born of water. You are 70-80% water and you were carried in water in the womb. You are born first as a flesh and blood physical human being. You must then be born again as a spirit at, or after, your resurrection. All Christians who are born again of the Spirit (God) are the children of God. And because their Father is a spirit, they are spirits. That which is born of the Spirit is spirit! They have become equal unto the angels:

Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection. (Luke 20:36)

Notice that Christians become "children of the resurrection." That is, they are born at the resurrection. They were born once before in their existence, their physical birth. Since Christians are born a second time as a spiritual being at the resurrection, they are born again! It is an actual, real experience, not simply some emotional occurrence experienced during your physical life on earth. What does the Bible state we must become to enter the Kingdom of Heaven?

Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. (Matthew 18:3)

We are converted into spiritual, immortal bodies, as opposed to our present physical, mortal bodies. We are new spirits, and thus spiritual "children." This blessed birth occurs at the resurrection, thus we are children of the resurrection. The wages of sin is death, but we are now immortal spiritual children of God which cannot die. Therefore, we do not suffer the second death. Like Jesus, God's only Son, we will have become the children of God. The family has become much larger:

The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ ... (Romans 8:16-17)

Jesus will no longer be the only Son of God! In fact, Jesus will now be our brother, as we also are now the sons and daughters of God; thus making us joint heirs with Jesus Christ. What a wonderful big brother we will have! However, that event is in our future if we are Christians. There are no Christians anywhere, dead or alive, who are presently born again Christians. You cannot be born again until Jesus returns! If you believe in Jesus Christ your name is written in the book of life as an inheritor of eternal life under terms of the New Testament. Those terms are believing in Jesus as your Savior. Those who believe in Jesus will receive everlasting life as inheritors under the New Testament:

Knowing that of the Lord ye shall receive the reward of the inheritance: for ye serve the Lord Christ. (Colossians 3:24)

The New Testament will be probated upon the Second Coming of Christ at the resurrection:

And behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me... (Revelation 22:12)

When you are born again the second time at the resurrection as a spiritual body which will live forever, only then can you truthfully claim to be a born again Christian! Until that time, you have not been born again, regardless of what you have been told. You have only been born once as a human. The Kingdom of God consists only of spirits. Therefore, to become members of the Kingdom of God, you must be born again as a spirit:

That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. (John 3:6)