How exactly did Jesus resurrection happen❓

[The Nice Centurion]

If a world religion claimed that 2000 years ago someone built a time machine, then people would fall over their own feet to constantly ask: "How excactly did this time machine work?"

But now we have in the bible a a main protagonist resurrect from being dead and no one, neither Christian nor Sceptic ever, bothers to ask:
"How exactly did Jesus resurrection happen?"

Marvel fans are known to intensively debate questions like:
"How exactly does Spidermans power of sticking to walls and ceilings work?"

But no one on earth gives a damn about how exactly worked "The Resurrection"!


My first question for debate: Why is that so


Now lets first see what "resurrection" is supposed to mean.

First: A resurrected being in the bible is not undead like Count Dracula as a Vampyre, who has no biological bodily functions anymore and is kept undead alive by magic alone.

A truly resurrected being is supposed to have regained live and full biological bodily functions out of the state of being truly dead.
And he is therefore not being kept alive by magic alone, though magic m i g h t have triggered his resurrection.

Everyone agrees that Jesus is supposed to have been "really dead" ! By current medical definition that does mean already brain dead.

This is the state anyone must reach to honestly resurrect.
For we have semi dead people waking up from clinical death all the time and no one is claiming miracle of resurrection for them.

But lets see what naturally happens after brain death:
"Decomposition (of the brain) often occurs within minutes after death, which is quicker than other body tissues, likely because the brain is about 80% water. Rotting starts in normal ambient temperature at about 3 days, and the brain is essentially vaporized within 5-10 years."

Said all that we can begin trying to find out how Jesus resurrection might have happened in detail.

Bible gives a hint by intensively implicating that Jesus resurrection was triggered by magic.

Bible explains that Jesus died sometime P.M. during first day, was dead the whole second day and resurrected on third day before daybreak.
(Lets say he was dead for somewhat 36 hours.)

Now, said all that; What is possible?

Magic, as the Great Joe Quesada stated when he destroyed the Spiderman comic series for the fans, must not be explained.

But what that magic did do can be researched.

Did magic stop Jesus brain and therefore his body too from decomposing, kept it in a somewhat timeless state and make him arise 36 hours later?

Did Jesus naturally decompose and magic made him re-decompose later to let him be able to better resurrect?

And then we have still the problem that Jesus died supposedly on the cross because fatal hurts and woundings to his body caused his heart to stop.

How therefore did his body compensate this fatal wounds, to still be able to resurrect?

I will stop here explaining, starting the debate with the second and main question:


How exactly did Jesus resurrection happen

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...Since all this stuff seems to come from Paul anyway, wasn't the idea that the bodies would rise from the graves in New Incorruptible bodies and be passed through the fire to burn out the sins and if here was enough left to be saved, they'd get eternal life?

I don't know to what scripture you are referring to. But, Bible doesn't give detailed information of how it happens.

I think you have to explain a bit more than a handy throwaway excuse to explain why Jesus still had the crucifixion marks.

I don't think I have to explain anything. The truth is that according to the Bible:
1) There was marks.
2) Jesus was not exactly as normal physical human being, because could move to locked room, was not allowed to touch first, was not instantly recognized.
3) There are the idea of natural and spiritual body.
4) Nothing that indicates he could not have had the marks.

I can. The plot needed it. Luke's Plot needs Jesus to be not recognised so the script could pan out as Luke required. Luke even complicates matters by having Jesus and the penitent thief (whom none of the others know about) in paradise before the Friday is out. Which adds another bit of contradiction as the marys recognised Jesus right away, but John says later when Mary saw him she thought it was the gardener and asked what he's done with the body. Like gardeners were in the habit of opening tooms and taking the bodies out.

I think the story doesn't need any fabrications. And I hope readers understand, if something sounds to you weird, it doesn't necessary mean that things didn't go as told in the Bible.

Please show the scripture, where Mary recognizes Jesus right away?

Matthew 28.9. If you are not cheating with 'We need these exact words' The Marys would not have fell down at Jesus feet orrecorded that he repeatedwhat the angel had already said without recognising him, before reporting back to the disciples let alone before they all went back to the tomb.

Just stating the faithbased requirements of the story and proposing that needs to be accepted without doubt or question is a non starter. The claims are not evidence for the claims, so the evidence to support them, and for that 'evidence' if that just looks like a claim too, is required. Contradiction is the evidence to have doubt and demanding that we ignore all that and just believe the claims is as good reason as any other to NOT believe them.

cue: The Marys split up. "Please show where the Bible says 'The Marys split up'

[The Nice Centurion]

In the end, the hows and whys only seriously matter if the story is supposed to be real, and if it is a miracle , then the mechanics don't matter anyway, except they do as i found above, but the mechanics of what the story claims, not how the miracle worked. It just Did. That is how miracles make the unworkable work.

Thats just silly and I made this thread to refute such Nonsense.
Saying: "A miracle just happens. Period. And needs no explained mechanics." is like saying: "A Marvel Supervillain is just evil. Period. And needs no explained Origin."

Our Pal Mae Von H would say that was too long, but I'm trying to work it out myself

It makes no sense when you always quote all the text you answer to, while placing your text already quite next above the text you answer to.

Choosing "Answer to" is enough, instead of"quote text".

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In the end, the hows and whys only seriously matter if the story is supposed to be real, and if it is a miracle , then the mechanics don't matter anyway, except they do as i found above, but the mechanics of what the story claims, not how the miracle worked. It just Did. That is how miracles make the unworkable work.

Thats just silly and I made this thread to refute such Nonsense.
Saying: "A miracle just happens. Period. And needs no explained mechanics." is like saying: "A Marvel Supervillain is just evil. Period. And needs no explained Origin."

Our Pal Mae Von H would say that was too long, but I'm trying to work it out myself

It makes no sense when you always quote all the text you answer to, while placing your text already quite next above the text you answer to.

Choosing "Answer to" is enough, instead of"quote text".

It may be just silly to say a miracle 'just happens' but that is the nature of miracles. God just wills it and it is. There needs to be be no 'mechanism'.

[The Nice Centurion]

[Replying to The Nice Centurion in post #92]
The supernatural event of a miracle is pe definition not necessarily created by a god;
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle

Perhaps we should rephrase the question in : "What were the mechanics and details of The Resurrection"

Actually we do have some details. Like resurrecting after (not quite) three days. Or Jesus Christ in astral body visiting Hell and smashing Death and Devil.

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Matthew 28.9. If you are not cheating with 'We need these exact words' The Marys would not have fell down at Jesus feet orrecorded that he repeatedwhat the angel had already said without recognising him, before reporting back to the disciples let alone before they all went back to the tomb.

That doesn't' say who the people were.

cue: The Marys split up. "Please show where the Bible says 'The Marys split up'

By what is said in the Bible, they split, Mary run to tell about the empty tomb for the others, while the other women stayed.

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[Replying to The Nice Centurion in post #92]
The supernatural event of a miracle is pe definition not necessarily created by a god;
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle

Perhaps we should rephrase the question in : "What were the mechanics and details of The Resurrection"

Actually we do have some details. Like resurrecting after (not quite) three days. Or Jesus Christ in astral body visiting Hell and smashing Death and Devil.

But again, if we don't believe a word of it, why should we even bother with asking what Jesus' astral body was doing from ascending to paradise last thing on Friday with the sould of penitent thief in tow (eyes turned supplicatingly skywards like in one of those sickly Christian paintings) to telling Mary Sunday morning to keep her hands off as he hasn't ascended to the Third heaven yet, he's been picking up litter, which is why she took him for the gardener?

Matthew 28.9. If you are not cheating with 'We need these exact words' The Marys would not have fell down at Jesus feet orrecorded that he repeatedwhat the angel had already said without recognising him, before reporting back to the disciples let alone before they all went back to the tomb.

That doesn't' say who the people were.

cue: The Marys split up. "Please show where the Bible says 'The Marys split up'

By what is said in the Bible, they split, Mary run to tell about the empty tomb for the others, while the other women stayed.

I call you out. The Bible does not say that. What is says (In Luke 24.10) is that Mary Magdalene and all the other women are said to have related or reported all these things. Not only have you made stuff up and claimed the Bible says so but you have skipped over what it actually does say.

My initial reaction is indignation that you you would pull something like this, but on logical and not instinctive reflection, I feel sorry for you. This is what Christian Faith does to good people. It makes them turn to the 'Ghost Bible' which is one that exists in the head of the Bible apologists and says what they need it to say and they do not use the printed one.

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I call you out. The Bible does not say that. What is says (In Luke 24.10) is that Mary Magdalene and all the other women are said to have related or reported all these things.....

It says:

And they were Mary Magdalene, and Joanna, and Mary mother of James, and the rest with them, who told these things to the apostles.
Luke 24.10

That does not mean that they could not have split in one point of the story.

I have shown this before, but because I think it is important, here is the complete story line, when the Gospels are combined, for those who like to know how it can be seen without contradictions.

Mark. 16:1 And the sabbath passing, Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of James and Salome, bought spices, so that coming they might anoint Him.
Note! There was two Shabbat days. The Shabbat day of feast of unleavened bread and weekly Shabbat. Apparently after first Shabbat, Friday, spices were prepared and after second Shabbat they were brought to the tomb.
Mark. 16:2 And very early on the first of the week, the sun having risen, they came upon the tomb.
Matt.28:1 But after the sabbaths, at the dawning of the first of the sabbaths, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the grave.
(Mark. 16:3 And they said to themselves, Who will roll away the stone from the door of the tomb for us?)
(Luke 24:1 But on the first of the sabbaths, while still very early, they came on the tomb, carrying spices which they prepared; and some were with them.)
Matt.28:2 And, behold! A great earthquake occurred! For descending from Heaven and coming near, an angel of the Lord rolled away the stone from the door and was sitting on it.
Matt.28:3 And his face was as lightning and his clothing white as snow.
Matt.28:4 And those keeping guard were shaken from the fear of him, and they became as dead.
Note! Apparently, the earthquake and rolling of the stone was seen only by the guards, not the women that vent to the tomb.
Mark. 16:4 And looking up, they saw that the stone had been rolled back; for it was very large.
Luke 24:2 And they found the stone having been rolled away from the tomb.
John:20:1 But on the first of the week, Mary Magdalene came early to the tomb, darkness yet being on it . And she saw the stone had been removed from the tomb.
John:20:2 Then she ran and came to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple whom Jesus loved, and said to them, They took away the Lord out of the tomb, and we do not know where they laid Him.
Note! Apparently, Mary left the tomb, while other women stayed at the tomb.
Luke 24:3 And going in, they did not find the body of the Lord Jesus.
Mark. 16:5 And entering into the tomb, they saw a young man sitting on the right, having been clothed in a white robe. And they were much amazed.
Luke 24:4 And it happened, as they were perplexed about this, even behold, two men in shining clothing stood by them.
Luke 24:5 And they becoming terrified, and bowing their faces to the earth, they said to them, Why do you seek the living with the dead?
Matt.28:5 But answering, the angel said to the women, You must not fear, for I know that you seek Jesus who has been crucified.
Matt.28:6 He is not here, for He was raised, as He said. Come, see the place where the Lord was lying.
(Mark. 16:6 But He said to them, Do not be amazed. You seek Jesus the Nazarene who has been crucified. He was raised. He is not here. See the place where they put Him?)
(Luke 24:6 He is not here, but was raised. Remember how He spoke to you, yet being in Galilee,)
Luke 24:7 saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and to be crucified, and the third day to rise again.
Luke 24:8 And they remembered His words.
7 And going quickly say to His disciples that He was raised from the dead. And behold! He goes before you into Galilee. You will see Him there. Behold! I told you.
Mark. 16:7 But go, say to the disciples and to Peter, He goes before you into Galilee. You will see Him there, even as He told you.
Matt.28:8 And going away from the tomb quickly, with fear and great joy, they ran to report to His disciples.
Mark. 16:8 And going out quickly, they fled from the tomb. And trembling and ecstasy took hold of them. And they told no one, not a thing, for they were afraid.
Note!, some think that this means they never told about the matter to anyone ever. If that would be the case, we would not have this story. That is why it is reasonable to think they only didn’t tell on their way about it.
John:20:3 Then Peter and the other disciple went out and came to the tomb.
John:20:4 And the two ran together, and the other disciple ran in front more quickly than Peter and came first to the tomb.
John:20:5 And stooping down, he saw the linens lying; however, he did not go in.
John:20:6 Then Simon Peter came following him, and went into the tomb and saw the linens lying.
John:20:7 And the grave cloth which was on His head was not lying with the linens, but was wrapped up in one place by itself.
John:20:8 Therefore, then the other disciple also entered, he having come first to the tomb, even he saw and believed.
John:20:9 For they did not yet know the Scripture, that it was necessary for Him to rise from the dead.
John:20:10 Then the disciples went away again to themselves.
John:20:11 But Mary stood outside at the tomb, weeping. Then as she wept, she stooped down into the tomb.
John:20:12 And she saw two angels in white, sitting one at the head, and one at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain.
John:20:13 And they said to her, Woman, why do you weep? She said to them, Because they took away my Lord, and I do not know where they put Him.
John:20:14 And saying these things, she turned backward and saw Jesus standing, and did not know that it was Jesus.
Note! Apparently, the other women had left some other route from the tomb, because didn’t see Peter and May on their way. Also, the disciples that came with Mary, left and Mary stayed alone there for a while.
(Mark. 16:9 And rising early on the first of the week, He first appeared to Mary Magdalene, from whom He had cast out seven demons.)
John:20:15 Jesus said to her, Woman, why do you weep? Whom do you seek? Thinking that it was the gardener, she said to Him, Sir, if you carried Him away, tell me where you put Him, and I will take Him away.
John:20:16 Jesus said to her, Mary! Turning around, she said to Him, Rabboni! (that is to say, Teacher).
John:20:17 Jesus said to her, Do not touch Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father. But go to My brothers and say to them, I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and My God, and your God.
John:20:18 Mary Magdalene came bringing word to the disciples that she had seen the Lord, and that He told her these things.
(Mark. 16:10 That one had gone and reported to those who had been with Him, who were mourning and weeping.)
Mark. 16:11 And those hearing that He lives, and was seen by her, they did not believe.
Mark. 16:12 And after these things, He was revealed in a different form to two of them walking and going into the country.
Matt.28:9 But as they were going to report to His disciples, behold, Jesus also met them, saying, Hail! And coming near, they seized His feet and worshiped Him.
Note! Worship = to kiss the hand, or to kneel and show homage to superior rank, for example high priest.
Matt.28:10 Then Jesus said to them, Do not fear. Go tell your brothers that they may go into Galilee, and there they will see Me.
Luke 24:9 And returning from the tomb, they reported all these things to the Eleven, and to all the rest.
Mark. 16:13 And going, those reported to the rest. Neither did they believe those.
Luke 24:10 And they were Mary Magdalene, and Joanna, and Mary mother of James, and the rest with them, who told these things to the apostles.
Luke 24:11 And their words seemed like foolishness to them, and they did not believe them.
Luke 24:12 But rising up, Peter ran to the tomb, and stooping down he saw the linen lying alone. And he went away wondering to himself at what had happened.
Matt.28:11 And they, having gone, behold, some of the guard coming into the city reported to the chief priests all things that occurred.
Matt.28:12 And being assembled with the elders, and taking counsel, they gave enough silver to the soldiers,
Matt.28:13 saying, Say that his disciples came and stole him by night, we being asleep.
Matt.28:14 And if this is heard by the governor, we will persuade him and will make you free from anxiety.
Matt.28:15 And taking the silver, they did as they were taught. And this report was spread by the Jews until today.
Note! Matt. 28:11-15 is a separate story line that seems to have happened as the same time with other events. Apparently guards told what they had witnessed in the city, while many disciples did other things.
Luke 24:13 And, behold, two of them were going on the same day to a village being sixty stadia distant from Jerusalem, which was named Emmaus.
Luke 24:14 And they talked to each other about all these things taking place.
Luke 24:15 And it happened, as they talked and reasoned, coming near, Jesus Himself traveled with them.
Luke 24:16 But their eyes were held so as not to recognize Him.
Luke 24:17 And He said to them, What words are these which you exchange with each other while walking, and are sad of face?
Luke 24:18 And answering, one of them whose name was Cleopas, said to Him, Are you only one who resides in Jerusalem and do not know the things happening in it in these days?
Luke 24:19 And He said to them, What things? And they said to Him, The things concerning Jesus the Nazarene, who was a man, a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people;
Luke 24:20 and how the chief priests and our rulers delivered Him to the judgment of death, and crucified Him .
Luke 24:21 But we were hoping that He is the One going to redeem Israel. But then with all these things, this third day comes today since these things happened.
Luke 24:22 And also some of our women astounded us, having been early at the tomb,
Luke 24:23 and not finding His body, they came saying to have seen a vision of angels also, who say Him to be alive.
Luke 24:24 And some of those with us went to the tomb, and found it so , even as the women also said; but they did not see Him.
Luke 24:25 And He said to them, O foolish ones, and slow of heart to believe on all things which the prophets spoke!
Luke 24:26 Was it not necessary for the Christ to suffer these things, and to enter into His glory?
Luke 24:27 And beginning from Moses, and from all the prophets, He explained to them the things about Himself in all the Scriptures.
Luke 24:28 And they drew near to the village where they were going, and He seemed to be going further.
Luke 24:29 And they constrained Him, saying, Stay with us, for it is toward evening, and the day has declined. And He went in to stay with them.
Luke 24:30 And it happened as He reclined with them, taking the loaf, He blessed, and breaking He gave to them.
Luke 24:31 And their eyes were opened, and they knew Him. And He became invisible from them.
Luke 24:32 And they said to one another, Was not our heart burning in us as He spoke to us in the highway, and as He opened up to us the Scriptures?
Luke 24:33 And rising up in the same hour, they went back to Jerusalem, and they found the Eleven, and those with them, having been gathered,
Luke 24:34 saying, The Lord really was raised and appeared to Simon.
Luke 24:35 And they related the things in the highway, and how He was known to them in the breaking of the loaf.
Matt.28:16 But the eleven disciples went into Galilee, to the mount where Jesus appointed them.
Mark. 16:14 Afterward, as they reclined, He was revealed to the Eleven. And He reproached their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they did not believe those who had seen Him, having been raised.
(Luke 24:36 And as they were telling these things, Jesus Himself stood in their midst, and said to them, Peace to you!)
(John:20:19 Then it being evening on that day, the first of the sabbaths, and the doors having been locked where the disciples were assembled, because of fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood in the midst and said to them, Peace to you.)
Luke 24:37 But being terrified and filled with fear, they thought they saw a spirit.
Matt.28:17 And seeing Him, they worshiped Him. But they doubted.
Luke 24:38 And He said to them, Why are you troubled? And why do reasonings come up in your hearts.
Luke 24:39 See My hands and My feet, that I am He? Feel Me and see, because a spirit does not have flesh and bones, as you see Me having.
Luke 24:40 And saying this, He showed them His hands and feet
(John:20:20 And saying this, He showed them His hands and side. Then seeing the Lord, the disciples rejoiced.)
Luke 24:41 But yet they not believing from the joy, and marveling, He said to them, Have you any food here?
Luke 24:42 And they handed a broiled part of a fish to Him, and from a honeycomb.
Luke 24:43 And taking these before them, He ate.
Luke 24:44 And He said to them, These are the words which I spoke to you yet being with you, that must be fulfilled all the things having been written in the Law of Moses, and the Prophets, and the Psalms, concerning Me.
Luke 24:45 Then He opened up their mind to understand the Scriptures,
Luke 24:46 and said to them, So it is written, and so the Christ must suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day. No OT passage
Luke 24:47 And repentance and remission of sins must be preached on His name to all the nations, beginning from Jerusalem.
Luke 24:48 And you are witnesses of th48 And you are witnesses of these things.
Matt.28:18 And coming up Jesus talked with them, saying, All authority in Heaven and on earth was given to Me.
Mark. 16:15 And He said to them, Going into all the world, preach the gospel to all the creation.
Matt.28:19 Going, then, disciple all nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
Matt.28:20 teaching them to observe all things, whatever I commanded you. And, behold, I am with you all the days until the completion of the age. Amen.
Mark. 16:16 The one believing and being baptized will be saved. And the one not believing will be condemned.
Mark. 16:17 And signs will follow to those believing these things: they will cast out demons in My name; they will speak new languages;
Mark. 16:18 they will take up snakes; and if they drink anything deadly, it will in no way hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will be well.
Luke 24:49 And, behold, I send forth the promise of My Father on you. But you sit in the city of Jerusalem until you are clothed with power from on high.
Luke 24:50 He led them out as far as to Bethany. And lifting up His hands, He blessed them.
John:20:21 Then Jesus said to them again, Peace to you. As the Father has sent Me, I also send you.
John:20:22 And saying this, He breathed on them and said to them, Receive the Holy Spirit.
John:20:23 Of whomever you forgive the sins, they are forgiven to them. Or whomever you may retain, they are retained.
Luke 24:51 And it happened as He blessed them, He withdrew from them and was carried into Heaven.
Mark. 16:19 Then indeed, after speaking to them, the Lord was taken up into Heaven, and sat off the right of God. Psa. 110:1
Luke 24:52 And worshiping Him, they returned to Jerusalem with great joy,
Mark. 16:20 And going out, they preached everywhere, the Lord working with them and confirming the word by the signs following. Amen.
Luke 24:53 and were continually in the temple, praising and blessing God. Amen.
John:20:24 But Thomas, one of the Twelve, the one called Twin, was not with them when Jesus came.
John:20:25 Then the other disciples said to him, We have seen the Lord. But he said to them, Unless I see the mark of the nails in His hands, and thrust my finger into the mark of the nails, and thrust my hand into His side, in no way will I believe.
John:20:26 And after eight days, His disciples were inside again, and Thomas was with them. The door having been locked, Jesus came and stood in the midst, and said, Peace to you.
John:20:27 Then He said to Thomas, Bring your finger here and see My hands, and bring your hand and thrust into My side, and be not unbelieving, but believing.
John:20:28 And Thomas answered and said to Him, My Lord and my God!
John:20:29 Jesus said to him, Because you have seen Me, Thomas, you have believed. Blessed are the ones not seeing and believing.
John:20:30 Then truly Jesus did many other miracles in the presence of His disciples, which are not written in this book.
John:20:31 But these have been written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His name.

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what an attempt at a swindle! You missed out entirely Matthew saying the women ran into Jesus on the way to report to the disciples, so never mind avout 'some say they said nothing to anyone'. Cherry picking bits of the Bible that you hope wil;l; suit your narrative and ignoring anything that doesn'twill not make your case look good.

Here's what it ALL really says.
The women go to the tomb at dawn The synoptics have an angelic explanation; John doesn't.

There is no Bible text saying that the women split up. This is total 'making stuff up on your part.
According to Matthew 'They'(so at least two Marys and never mind Luke's additional ladies,) run into Jesus . They all (Luke) report to the disciples and Mary Magdalene specifically reported what they all saw. No mention of splitting up or not hearing what the angel said. That is what we in the trade call "Making stuff up".

John however has Mary and the other in the cdark. Not only have they not seen Jesus, they haven't heard the angelic explanation. John in fact has no angel until later. We are already deep in contradiction.

The disciples rush to check the tomb. According to John Mary Magdalene goes with them.The disciples must report back before Cleophas leaves because he recounts to Jesus on the road about what the women said (they reported what the angel said but not that any of them (even if they did split up) saw Jesus.

We have three contradictory tales:

Mattew. The angel tells them that Jesus nis risen etc, and they run into Jesus in person.
Luke they report back but nobody says they saw Jesus which is supported by Cleophas in Luke
John has no angel or Jesus until they both turn up after the disciples have looked at the tomb.

This is the whole story not just cherry picking out for dropping the bits you don't like.

Again, I don't care about denial or what you refuse to see; it is about making the best case, and others seeing it. I welcome critique but not inventing and fiddling of the text to make it say what it really doesn't. No, it is not Persona, but about methods of arguing and faulty (at least) reasoning.

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Cherry picking bits of the Bible...

I literally picked everything Bible says about the day. But, you can't accept it, because it doesn't fit into your narrative. I hope you have refreshing weekend, because it seems you are very tired.

There is no Bible text saying that the women split up. This is total 'making stuff up on your part.

Bible tells: "Then she ran and came to Simon Peter". I think that shows clearly that they split up.

According to Matthew 'They'(so at least two Marys and never mind Luke's additional ladies,) run into Jesus .

And they all run into Jesus, not just the same way, if we don't cherry pick like you do.

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Cherry picking bits of the Bible...

I literally picked everything Bible says about the day. But, you can't accept it, because it doesn't fit into your narrative. I hope you have refreshing weekend, because it seems you are very tired.

There is no Bible text saying that the women split up. This is total 'making stuff up on your part.

Bible tells: "Then she ran and came to Simon Peter". I think that shows clearly that they split up.

According to Matthew 'They'(so at least two Marys and never mind Luke's additional ladies,) run into Jesus .

And they all run into Jesus, not just the same way, if we don't cherry pick like you do.

You posted everything but left out bits you didn't like.

And you have done so here. You quoted from John 20. 1 Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene went to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the entrance. 2 So she came running to Simon Peter and the other disciple, the one Jesus loved, and said, “They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we don’t know where they have put him!”

"We" don't know where they have put him. That says there were more than Mary Magdalene. Even Luke 24 says it was Mary Magdalene and the others who related all the things to the disciples.

Mary Magdalene must have seen the angel if it had been there abd must have run into Jesus as per Matthew, yet John has her (and at least one other) in total ignorance of what has happened to Jesus.

This is a contradiction, a refutation of the synoptics by John (and not the only one) and evidence of separate and contradictory invention of a resurrection where originally, there wasn't one - just as we see in Mark.

I won't embarrass you (if you know what that is) by asking you to apologise, not only to me by accusing me of doing what you did, but to the ones on the forum by trying to make fools of them.

I'll just ask what argument you can make to show that the women split up and Mary Magadalene did not hear what the angel said, let alone run into Jesus, because for sure that is not what the Bible says and you have indeed been quoting made - up stuff.

I suppose you can't recall where that apologetic came from, because I never saw it until a couple of years ago, not I get it all the time.