Do good people do bad things?

[Masterblaster]

Hello
Revelation: "21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."

Do good people do bad things?
Are non- believers, bad people?
What is the moral yardstick for this?
How responsible are you for your own actions?
Is it a case of
"'you should have known better", "etc"
Is it even possible, for a non-believer, to commit a Sin? How ?

[JehovahsWitness]

Is it even possible, for a non-believer, to commit a Sin? How ?

Yes.

Biblically a sin is acting , thinking or feeling in a way that does not meet divine standards. All humans fall short in this a thousand times a day, whether they choose to recognise this or not (see Romans 3:23)


FURTHER READING : What is sin?
https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/q ... at-is-sin/



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[Masterblaster]

Hello

The Hell/ Heaven ultimatum is used within Christianity to fortify and justify it's own beliefs. This happens on an individual and a collective level.
This is sad.

If I win copious amounts of money in a lottery my subsequent efforts will forever be conceptualized against this backdrop. How can a Christian receive or accept credit for the fact that they were spooked by the ultimate spin of a wheel?

If there is a vaccine for Covid ,then, I will take it. If there is a disease that kills,one in a million, will I bother. If there is a placebo for nothing , will I scaremongering people into taking it.

You must have some tangible proof for your actions , of some sort. What is it???

In a normal world, people who arbitrarily infer malice to others would get a slap in the face. It is only under the courtesy of free speech ,that they get away with it. Should we prohibit Hell Hate Doctrine?

[JehovahsWitness]

IS IT A BAD THING TO LOOK FORWARD TO A REWARD FOR ONE'S EFFORTS TO REMAIN FAITHFUL?

Not at all! In fact we can read in the bible "whoever approaches God must believe that he is and that he becomes the rewarder of those earnestly seeking him" . Heaven is a reward spoken of and offered by Christ Jesus (the founder of Christianity) to his faithful anointed followers, so there is therefore nothing sad in holding such a hope dear in one's heart.

Indeed , speaking of Jesus himself the bible says "For the joy that was set before him he endured a torture stake" so Jesus himself as able to endure torture by keeping in his mind and heart the joyful REWARD promised to Him. Paul spoke of our hope the heavenly hope (and by extension the hope of all who of all who want to live forever) as an "anchor" that stabalizes a persons resolve to remain faithful.

CONCLUSION It is biblically not sad to work towards one's reward, but spiritually an essential part of Christianity.

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EVERLASTING LIFE, IMMORTALITY and ...THE PURPOSE OF LIFE

[Masterblaster]

Hello

It does not have to be this way.
Christianity has sucked the joy out of God.
I described it as a religion of Doom.
Where is the positivity?

My advice would be to drop this depression and start listening to song lyrics. They are, on average
more insightful and definitively, more uplifting.
Take George Harrisson, for a start...

Well, its alright..

"Well, it's alright, even if you're old and grey
Well, it's alright, you still got something to say
Well, it's alright, remember to live and let live
Well, it's alright, the best you can do is forgive"

Leonard Cohen - Hallelujah

"You say I took the Name in vain
I don't even know the Name
But if I did, well really, what's it to you?"

Then think about the humanity of Jesus lost in this Hades swamp.

[TRANSPONDER]

How responsible are you for your own actions?

Biblically humans are free moral agents and so we are all ultimately responsible for what we do and say.

Is it a case of "'you should have known better", "etc"

God created humans all with a conscience (see Romans 2:14). This is like an internal signal for what'is right or wrong according to his standards. Sadly, due to circumstances and imperfection, our consciences can become perverted, and malfunction if not shut down entirely. Jehovah God [YHWH] takes all this into consideration when judging individuals right to live.

JEHOVAH'S WITNESS


FURTHER RESEARCH : Bible Questions answered : LIFE AND MORALS
https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/q ... le-morals/

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I agree we are responsible for our own actions, but it is nothing to do with the Bible or a god, other than to shift all responsibility to someone else. It is not so much apologertics as dirty politics.

[TRANSPONDER]

Is it even possible, for a non-believer, to commit a Sin? How ?

Yes.

Biblically a sin is acting , thinking or feeling in a way that does not meet divine standards. All humans fall short in this a thousand times a day, whether they choose to recognise this or not (see Romans 3:23)


FURTHER READING : What is sin?
https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/q ... at-is-sin/



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Biblically is irrelevant. We are well aware of how far we fall short of ideals, but we do not need a corrupt and nasty religion wagging the finger at us, as if it didn't need to clean its' own stables first. One of the things that leaves a bad taste in my mouth about religion is the Holier than thou' stance it takes up, using borrowed authority to tell others how to live.

That's the good side - they think they are acting for best. Never mind those who use it to get power, money and other things.



Of course it isn't one church and it isn't everyone. Many religious people are good, though I think misguided. But religion needs to be accountable as much as any human, and not covering up its' abuses as crimes, which of course was seen in the horrendously damaging Catholic case, and we hear elsewhere.