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Questioning God's Chosen Communication

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The Tanager wrote: Tue Dec 19, 2023 9:03 pm (1) Why would an omniscient God reveal to ancient societies the questions that modern scientific communities would be interested in? (2) Why would God care more about making scientific knowledge available in these texts versus addressing how He wanted humans to live?
For debate: Does the provided video below answer the above two questions sufficiently? If not, why not? If so, then I guess God is inept?

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1213 wrote: Sun Jan 21, 2024 7:24 am
POI wrote: Wed Dec 20, 2023 9:13 pm
The Tanager wrote: Tue Dec 19, 2023 9:03 pm (1) Why would an omniscient God reveal to ancient societies the questions that modern scientific communities would be interested in? (2) Why would God care more about making scientific knowledge available in these texts versus addressing how He wanted humans to live?
For debate: Does the provided video below answer the above two questions sufficiently? If not, why not? If so, then I guess God is inept?

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I don't think the video is good for anything. I think God's rules in the Bible in all cases are as clear. The problem seems to come when people read only small part of it and ignore everything that doesn't support their interpretations, not the Bible itself. If your video is inept, it doesn't mean God is also.
If I'm not mistaken, you do not watch videos on this forum?
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POI wrote: Sun Jan 21, 2024 12:55 pm
1213 wrote: Sun Jan 21, 2024 7:24 am
POI wrote: Wed Dec 20, 2023 9:13 pm
The Tanager wrote: Tue Dec 19, 2023 9:03 pm (1) Why would an omniscient God reveal to ancient societies the questions that modern scientific communities would be interested in? (2) Why would God care more about making scientific knowledge available in these texts versus addressing how He wanted humans to live?
For debate: Does the provided video below answer the above two questions sufficiently? If not, why not? If so, then I guess God is inept?

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I don't think the video is good for anything. I think God's rules in the Bible in all cases are as clear. The problem seems to come when people read only small part of it and ignore everything that doesn't support their interpretations, not the Bible itself. If your video is inept, it doesn't mean God is also.
If I'm not mistaken, you do not watch videos on this forum?
Usually not, because they are not a very good format in this kind of debate, because it is not easy to take quotes of it. But, this time I watched part of the video, and I thought it was too pathetic and also biased. In this case, I think you should write what you want to say, instead of the video, would probably be more useful.
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1213 wrote: Mon Jan 22, 2024 4:58 am I watched part of the video
Then you are unqualified to determine if the video answers the two OP questions.
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[Replying to POI in post #1]
:D. The video [I watched it all, 1213] answers nothing. Rather it rehashes the reasons why it is clear the Bible presents a horrible and useless guide to morality and was obviously composed by many different authors with different points of view and is hopelessly bound to, and represents different people, at different times as man's ethics and practices evolved.

The Bible is as clear as it ever is that slavery is just fine except for Jews having Jews as slaves. It's fine and dandy to enslave anyone except a Jew by another Jew. Half of Christendom thinks abortion is murder; half think it is not a sin, but something people shold be reluctant to do, but it's ... uh... basically OK but....

According to the Bible 'it is OK to murder your son as long as you think God told you to, except God didn't REALLY tell Abraham to kill because he didn't let him. It was just a test of loyalty.' What a giant crock of hot steaming baloney!

The more I read this nonsense the more embarrassed I am that I bother to read or reply to anything here. Exposing the Bible as absolutely NOT the "Word of God"* is low hanging fruit.

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Diogenes wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 12:36 am ...The Bible is as clear as it ever is that slavery is just fine except for Jews having Jews as slaves. It's fine and dandy to enslave anyone except a Jew by another Jew. ...
I think people should read all the rules about slavery in the Bible, before making statements about it.
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1213 wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 12:44 pm
Diogenes wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 12:36 am ...The Bible is as clear as it ever is that slavery is just fine except for Jews having Jews as slaves. It's fine and dandy to enslave anyone except a Jew by another Jew. ...
I think people should read all the rules about slavery in the Bible, before making statements about it.
Same goes for people who choose to answer this topic. You did not watch all of the video and made an answer in haste, and without any merit. Oh, and I have read all about the topic of slavery in the Bible. The Bible supports chattel slavery. You can respond to post 196 of here if you do not agree, by explaining why --> (viewtopic.php?t=40608&start=190).
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1213 wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 12:44 pm
Diogenes wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 12:36 am ...The Bible is as clear as it ever is that slavery is just fine except for Jews having Jews as slaves. It's fine and dandy to enslave anyone except a Jew by another Jew. ...
I think people should read all the rules about slavery in the Bible, before making statements about it.
Yes they should, and I have; having read the entire Bible and having found it wanting, just like your non argument. MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN. The Bible clearly endorses slavery, except against Jews. The Bible not only endorses slavery, but is bigoted in that slavery is just fine. The Bible only prohibits Jews from owning fellow Jews as slaves. Jews are even encouraged to hold as slaves those who reject the Jewish god. In fact infidels are lucky if they are slaves, since the the Jewish god orders them to kill the 'bad guys' while stealing their land and even killing their cattle, wives and children.

If YOU have actually red everything in the Bible that mentions slavery, you would know this.

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I've been addressing slavery in the How can we trust the Bible if it's not inerrant? thread. But there's been little responses from skeptics. Anybody here want to debate me on slavery in my thread?

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I can't debate, you; you know why. But there is no question about slavery. The OT endorses it. The NT endorses by silence - it does not ever denounce it.

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Diogenes wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 6:57 pm ...The Bible clearly endorses slavery, except against Jews. ...
Difficult to believe you have read it all. Bible accepts slavery in certain conditions. By what I see, those who want to keep slaves, don't go by the conditions. If people would go by all the rules, I think it would be better than how modern people are basically slaves for governments, because they must pay taxes.
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