A Closed Canon-enough is enough, apparently!

[Masterblaster]

Hello
'A Closed Canon'

boatsnguitars exclaims - "Why Christians think a 2000 year old book changes all the rules on how we assess reality is bizarre to me"

This is why! This is like a walled housing estate where life is in a time warp. It is the Truman show. Try getting in or out of that. Judaism, Catholicism, etc, jars full of the dust of ancient rhetoric now devoid of context and closed for posterity, like everlasting coffee jars for the well informed.

1. Is God finished talking or has he been told to shut up.?

2.Is it that if we tell any more lies, our heads will explode?

3.Is it that if we take the jar off the shelf ,the little bit of truth left in it, will be spilled and lost forever?

4. Can a doctrinal religion evolve exponentially?

5. Is it something else?

This ,to me is a 'screenshot background of another age being used as a backdrop to the everyday theistic lives of 2024. My God!, try and contribute to this depressing, Hobbson"s choice of a thing. Keep it simple for casual viewers. Thanks

[Yozavan]

Well, we're not in BarterTown where we face the wheel if we bust a deal, unless we have a closed canon .

Thus I pick door 5, Masterblaster!

[TRANSPONDER]

This is one I have asked before. Judaism was clearly not a closed canon; the New Covenant came along and changed Godfaith enough that Jews could not go along with it. And then Islam - the New Revelation - came along and Christians would not go along with it. And LDS cam along and pretty much nobody else could go along with it.

So it seems within (Catholic- Protestant; Sunni - Shia, Therevada - Hinayana) and without each Revelation sidelines the old version and insists it is the last word and No Other Revelations are valid.

So Option 5 for me - Something else, like it's all man -made garbage and I'll take vanilla.

[The Tanager]

[Replying to Masterblaster in post #1]

I'll also take #5. The Hebrew scriptures all look forward to the coming of the Messiah and so, remain open. Once the Messiah comes to finish the story, then the story is closed. That is what Christians believe happened in the person of Jesus. So, the writings about Jesus' life, death, resurrection, and teachings written by those earliest Christians who saw and heard Him and were sent out (apostles) are added to God's revelation. The story humans need (if the religion is true) is enough at that point. There could not be anything new needed to add to that story. Therefore, it makes perfect sense for Christians to have a closed canon.

[bjs1]

5. Is it something else?

The truth has been given and Truth does not change. Now individuals must live out that eternal truth in their daily lives through the guidance of a living and active God.

[TRANSPONDER]

That makes perfect sense. A Messiah was expected and Jesus was it. Story ended. Of course the Jews say Jesus was not the messiah and the canon remains open. Which are you going to believe? The Muslims say that Jesus was just another prophet and the canon does not end there; it ends with Muhammad. Where the canon ends and whether you accept the claim is a matter of belief

[The Tanager]

That makes perfect sense. A Messiah was expected and Jesus was it. Story ended. Of course the Jews say Jesus was not the messiah and the canon remains open. Which are you going to believe? The Muslims say that Jesus was just another prophet and the canon does not end there; it ends with Muhammad. Where the canon ends and whether you accept the claim is a matter of belief

Absolutely. Hopefully, one builds their beliefs on good reasons.

[TRANSPONDER]

That makes perfect sense. A Messiah was expected and Jesus was it. Story ended. Of course the Jews say Jesus was not the messiah and the canon remains open. Which are you going to believe? The Muslims say that Jesus was just another prophet and the canon does not end there; it ends with Muhammad. Where the canon ends and whether you accept the claim is a matter of belief

Absolutely. Hopefully, one builds their beliefs on good reasons.

I couldn't agree more. But Faith (and denial) is not a good reason. Which is why the contradictions and fallacies of the Bible mean t6hat Some of it, on reasonable basis, has to go. Apart from the OT, te nativities really have to go, despite strenuous efforts to make them work, the exp tended stint of Varus definitively makes the census a whole reign after Herod and thus a genuine contradiction.

One lie exposed and the next one - the resurection - follows. And Christianity has collapsed and jimminy Christmas, Islam is looking the more credible bet

Cue: no, no, no pushing away without thinking, never mind 'Good Reasons'. Make no mistake, Faith is what counts here, not Good reasons.

[The Tanager]

I couldn't agree more. But Faith (and denial) is not a good reason. Which is why the contradictions and fallacies of the Bible mean t6hat Some of it, on reasonable basis, has to go. Apart from the OT, te nativities really have to go, despite strenuous efforts to make them work, the exp tended stint of Varus definitively makes the census a whole reign after Herod and thus a genuine contradiction.

One lie exposed and the next one - the resurection - follows. And Christianity has collapsed and jimminy Christmas, Islam is looking the more credible bet

Cue: no, no, no pushing away without thinking, never mind 'Good Reasons'. Make no mistake, Faith is what counts here, not Good reasons.

Yes, Faith and denial are not good reasons. But I don't think your 'Faith' is the Biblical picture of faith and we've had discussions on various topics with both of us thinking the other has a bit more Faith and denial than we will admit. But those are discussions for different threads.

[TRANSPONDER]

I suppose so, but question of why anyone should think God has had their Last Word and no updates will be forthcoming is sure to lead to why the heck any one religion should claim to be the Last Word and anything that comes after is False vbbbfbrfg.

That has to lead to discussions about what makes a religion more valid than the others, and one may suppose that sidelining the discussion to some other place suggests they know they aren't going to win that one.