We have countless claims, from Christians, to God/Jesus answering prayers for healing to human affliction(s). And by 'answered' prayer, I mean God/Jesus states -- (yes, I will grant you this prayer request to remove the human affliction).
For Debate:
1. Does God "answer" any of these prayer requests? If not, why?
2. If so, why does God/Jesus perpetually skip the following afflictions (amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, cerebral palsy, dementia, diabetes mellites 1, amputation, muscular dystrophy, hunington's disease, epilepsy, parkinson's disease, paget's disease, motor neuron disease, and so on)?
Countless Claims to "Answered" Prayer(s)
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Countless Claims to "Answered" Prayer(s)
Post #1In case anyone is wondering... The avatar quote states the following:
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Post #171Christians, another bumped thread. Do you guys have any intelligent answers here?
Why does God/Jesus perpetually skip/ignore petitionary and/or intercessory prayer requests for the following afflictions --- (amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, cerebral palsy, dementia, diabetes mellites 1, amputation, muscular dystrophy, hunington's disease, epilepsy, parkinson's disease, paget's disease, and motor neuron disease)?
Why does God/Jesus perpetually skip/ignore petitionary and/or intercessory prayer requests for the following afflictions --- (amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, cerebral palsy, dementia, diabetes mellites 1, amputation, muscular dystrophy, hunington's disease, epilepsy, parkinson's disease, paget's disease, and motor neuron disease)?
In case anyone is wondering... The avatar quote states the following:
"I asked God for a bike, but I know God doesn't work that way. So I stole a bike and asked for forgiveness."
"I asked God for a bike, but I know God doesn't work that way. So I stole a bike and asked for forgiveness."
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Re: Countless Claims to "Answered" Prayer(s)
Post #172Christians, I'm continuing to bump this thread. Do you guys have any intelligent answers here?
Why does God/Jesus perpetually skip/ignore petitionary and/or intercessory prayer requests for the following afflictions --- (amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, cerebral palsy, dementia, diabetes mellites 1, amputation, muscular dystrophy, hunington's disease, epilepsy, parkinson's disease, paget's disease, and motor neuron disease)?
Why does God/Jesus perpetually skip/ignore petitionary and/or intercessory prayer requests for the following afflictions --- (amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, cerebral palsy, dementia, diabetes mellites 1, amputation, muscular dystrophy, hunington's disease, epilepsy, parkinson's disease, paget's disease, and motor neuron disease)?
In case anyone is wondering... The avatar quote states the following:
"I asked God for a bike, but I know God doesn't work that way. So I stole a bike and asked for forgiveness."
"I asked God for a bike, but I know God doesn't work that way. So I stole a bike and asked for forgiveness."
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Re: Countless Claims to "Answered" Prayer(s)
Post #173I have no reason to believe your claim that God/Jesus perpetually skip/ignore. But, if it would be so, maybe the reason is that those who healed, are killed. If I would heal all diseases, I would also be killed. Maybe it is not yet my time to die?POI wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 7:56 pm Christians, I'm continuing to bump this thread. Do you guys have any intelligent answers here?
Why does God/Jesus perpetually skip/ignore petitionary and/or intercessory prayer requests for the following afflictions --- (amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, cerebral palsy, dementia, diabetes mellites 1, amputation, muscular dystrophy, hunington's disease, epilepsy, parkinson's disease, paget's disease, and motor neuron disease)?
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Re: Countless Claims to "Answered" Prayer(s)
Post #174Then please provide an example, or two, of a well-documented medical case where one of these afflictions was reversed after prayer. Modern medicine currently deems these conditions incurable. A verified example of someone with one of these conditions, and then later not having this condition, after prayer, would be of some help.1213 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2023 4:13 amI have no reason to believe your claim that God/Jesus perpetually skip/ignore.POI wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 7:56 pm Christians, I'm continuing to bump this thread. Do you guys have any intelligent answers here?
Why does God/Jesus perpetually skip/ignore petitionary and/or intercessory prayer requests for the following afflictions --- (amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, cerebral palsy, dementia, diabetes mellites 1, amputation, muscular dystrophy, hunington's disease, epilepsy, parkinson's disease, paget's disease, and motor neuron disease)?
I have no idea what you are talking about here?
In case anyone is wondering... The avatar quote states the following:
"I asked God for a bike, but I know God doesn't work that way. So I stole a bike and asked for forgiveness."
"I asked God for a bike, but I know God doesn't work that way. So I stole a bike and asked for forgiveness."
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Re: Countless Claims to "Answered" Prayer(s)
Post #175At least our reliable pal tried to respond. But for 'any kind of excuse' and indeed 'making stuff up' I have yet to see a more far - fetched answer than that. And really it still leaves the problem of why some people who pray to be healed aren't healed. The hint is that God decided they wouldn't be. But the Bible promised they would be.
I know one can argue that God won't allow mountains to be tossed into the sea, and maybe there is a good reason he doesn't answer some prayers. But if so, it means the Gospel guarantee is a fraud. It makes a claim it knows isn't true.
What's worse, is did Jesus even know this claim was true or not? There are some things Jesus didn't know. He didn't know who touched his robe, he didn't know that he would eventually help the Canaanite woman. He doesn't know that Adam and Noah weren't real. Worse even, he prayed in the garden to be let off crucifixion when he surely knew (as he's slapped Peter down for making the same suggestion - that it not happen) he couldn't be let off or salvation wouldn't happen. Just as there is no point for asking God to forgive the Romans (not the Jews,of course) for killing him because they were only carrying out God's plan. If anything, he should ask God to forgive himself for killing him.
But there's no point in that, because he knew he'd be resurrected in three days and live in glory, and that was the plan from the start. Really, the only conclusion I can come to is the whole Gospel story is confused and contradictory and the writers - like the Believers - hadn't thought it through.
And I suspect, they will chose not to listen to one who does it for them. Christianity is based on Faithbased denial, and denial of the evident fact that God does not answer prayers is just part of it.
I know one can argue that God won't allow mountains to be tossed into the sea, and maybe there is a good reason he doesn't answer some prayers. But if so, it means the Gospel guarantee is a fraud. It makes a claim it knows isn't true.
What's worse, is did Jesus even know this claim was true or not? There are some things Jesus didn't know. He didn't know who touched his robe, he didn't know that he would eventually help the Canaanite woman. He doesn't know that Adam and Noah weren't real. Worse even, he prayed in the garden to be let off crucifixion when he surely knew (as he's slapped Peter down for making the same suggestion - that it not happen) he couldn't be let off or salvation wouldn't happen. Just as there is no point for asking God to forgive the Romans (not the Jews,of course) for killing him because they were only carrying out God's plan. If anything, he should ask God to forgive himself for killing him.
But there's no point in that, because he knew he'd be resurrected in three days and live in glory, and that was the plan from the start. Really, the only conclusion I can come to is the whole Gospel story is confused and contradictory and the writers - like the Believers - hadn't thought it through.
And I suspect, they will chose not to listen to one who does it for them. Christianity is based on Faithbased denial, and denial of the evident fact that God does not answer prayers is just part of it.
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Re: Countless Claims to "Answered" Prayer(s)
Post #176The point is, if I would heal people, I would be killed like Jesus was. Therefore, it is not necessary a good thing to heal people.
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Re: Countless Claims to "Answered" Prayer(s)
Post #177Please re-read the title of this topic. The point of this thread is to ask why such prayers are "answered", except for the incurable list given?
In case anyone is wondering... The avatar quote states the following:
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Re: Countless Claims to "Answered" Prayer(s)
Post #178Christians, I'm continuing to bump this thread. Do you guys have any intelligent answers here?
Why does God/Jesus perpetually skip/ignore petitionary and/or intercessory prayer requests for the following afflictions --- (amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, cerebral palsy, dementia, diabetes mellites 1, amputation, muscular dystrophy, hunington's disease, epilepsy, parkinson's disease, paget's disease, and motor neuron disease)?
Why does God/Jesus perpetually skip/ignore petitionary and/or intercessory prayer requests for the following afflictions --- (amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, cerebral palsy, dementia, diabetes mellites 1, amputation, muscular dystrophy, hunington's disease, epilepsy, parkinson's disease, paget's disease, and motor neuron disease)?
In case anyone is wondering... The avatar quote states the following:
"I asked God for a bike, but I know God doesn't work that way. So I stole a bike and asked for forgiveness."
"I asked God for a bike, but I know God doesn't work that way. So I stole a bike and asked for forgiveness."
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Post #179Can you point to any recent prophet, messiah, seer or mystic who claims to heal people or do any other kind of miracle being killed? If you can't, your argument collapses.
We have seen it before: excuses. By now, the dear readers should be familiar with it, any excuse, fiddling the evidence and denial. Here, the reason why prayers aren't answered on a reliable basis relies on making normal and everyday happenstance look like God's work.
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Post #180Christians, I'm continuing to bump this thread. Do you guys have any intelligent answers here?
Why does God/Jesus perpetually skip/ignore petitionary and/or intercessory prayer requests for the following afflictions --- (amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, cerebral palsy, dementia, diabetes mellites 1, amputation, muscular dystrophy, hunington's disease, epilepsy, parkinson's disease, paget's disease, and motor neuron disease)?
Why does God/Jesus perpetually skip/ignore petitionary and/or intercessory prayer requests for the following afflictions --- (amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, cerebral palsy, dementia, diabetes mellites 1, amputation, muscular dystrophy, hunington's disease, epilepsy, parkinson's disease, paget's disease, and motor neuron disease)?
In case anyone is wondering... The avatar quote states the following:
"I asked God for a bike, but I know God doesn't work that way. So I stole a bike and asked for forgiveness."
"I asked God for a bike, but I know God doesn't work that way. So I stole a bike and asked for forgiveness."