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boatsnguitars wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 8:16 am I'm not sure Data has gotten to 1 Peter 3:15 yet.... He must be a slow reader...
Moderator WarningWhat difference does that make? What do you want? Do you want as many people as possible to come to some realization that God isn't going to destroy them out of love? Love for what? You want to stop crazy religious fanatics from murdering children? You think they're going to listen to you? You think the voices will stop when God is a memory? Influenza and pneumonia are the least cause of death in children. Being killed by religious fanatics isn't even on the list. Don't you think you're wasting your time? Do you think that more children are killed by governments than religions? Think about it.
It doesn't matter to me. I loathe religion. They're all the same. They reach mass appeal and they become political tools of destruction. That's all man wants to do. Kill and destroy. Just stand by and watch. Your concern is fake. Show me someone with reform on their mind and I'll show you someone with a head full of evil plans.POI wrote: ↑Sat Oct 28, 2023 5:52 pm Further, God sometimes intervenes himself, but other times, merely only tells group A to KILL group B. Got it :approve:
How about instead just conclude this is yet another one of those religions created by man? You know, like you conclude with Scientology, Mormonism, Hinduism, etc etc etc etc
Not going to get tired of that, huh? I don't care. It makes no difference. Lots of people think it wasn't a Christian God. Don't care. It doesn't matter if I'm the only one that believes it was God, and I'm on my deathbed. Not a bit of difference. Why would it?POI wrote: ↑Sat Oct 28, 2023 4:55 pm When exactly did God know these little children were LATER going to become obstacles? Because if God knew they were LATER going to become obstacles, why WAIT until they are little children, and then slaughter them? How is that, in any way, equivalent to the term 'love'? Since you might not answer (again), allow me to push this forward.... Seems odd God waited until they were little children, and then ordered their slaughter. These little children were not obstacles yet. They would only be later in life. Since God decided to intervene here, seems somewhat precarious that a loving God would choose to prevent these obstacles as they are still little children? Why not instead intervene in their conception, or maybe prevent them just before they become obstacles, (as adults). Seems God likely had a choice when to prevent this. Seems odd God choose a time where they were little children.
Further, why not instead assume that all people, who think/thought God is/was telling them to slaughter little children, were/are not really receiving messages from the 'Christian God' at all?
Okay. Why is it wrong? Because you have two options. Either matter existed forever without creation, like Jehovah, or energy did and was converted into matter. Energy is spiritual. God is spirit. That's just a thought off the top of my head, but to me, science is as reliable as religion is to you. I don't care what your science says like you don't care what my Bible says. Fair enough. If science came out tomorrow and said they've "proven" God exists, I wouldn't even give it a listen. Unimpressed.
Okay. You've read Genesis through Revelation? You should already know. If that doesn't work, look around you.
You're not going to change your opinion about my avoiding. And I don't care. That's your problem. I've answered everything you've asked while you've ignored everything I've said. That's why I don't care.
Yup.
Proof: evidence or argument establishing or helping to establish a fact or the truth of a statement.
They were children when it was time.
Conjectural, speculative, subjective. Please! Provide a reasonable and informed argument. We can dance around indefinitely but I get bored really quick.
No. You don't even understand the basic sense of the Bible? All the suffering you see is because Adam rejected God. And you? You gonna' fix that? Are you asking me about the teaching? You missed something during your tenure because you got the fake religion and now . . . you got what? Answers? Let's hear 'em. One question I asked was what's your solution. Wouldn't answer me. Beneath you? I don't care about you or your thoughts.
Wow. It doesn't pay to tick off an omnipotent being with an infinite ego it would seem. Pity that wasn't matched by infinite love and compassion. That said, Adam didn't reject God, in ignorance the original hapless couple were beguiled by one of God's creatures into being disobedient. Being sorely aggrieved, the omnipotent one took it out on everyone and everything not even part of that dastardly act. Feel the love.
Yeah.
I scrapped my original response.
It's not about love as much as it is about justice.
Nonsense. You know it's nonsense.brunumb wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2023 12:08 am That said, Adam didn't reject God, in ignorance the original hapless couple were beguiled by one of God's creatures into being disobedient. Being sorely aggrieved, the omnipotent one took it out on everyone and everything not even part of that dastardly act. Feel the love.
Nonsensical ramblings devoid of any logic and truthfullness.
You mean cherry picking the Bible to suit one dogma: " I(Data) will ignore verses when God is clearly depicted as being omnipotent, omniscient and omnibenevolent".
Nonsensical ramblings devoid of any logic, consistency and truthfullness. \Data wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 9:55 amIrrelevant, subjective. As I've indicated, it's about cultural influence and punishment has nothing to do with it. If someone is racist because of the culture they were born in they are still racist. God didn't tell Abraham to kill his firstborn, Isaac, to punish either one of them, he did it to establish whether or not Abraham's offspring would be willing to make the sacrifice God himself would make with his own firstborn only son, the Messiah. The children who God commanded to be destroyed were a threat to the purpose of that arrangement which was set in place to save mankind as a whole. The children, as a pa
Nonsensical ramblings devoid of any logic, consistency and truthfullness.
Nonsensical ramblings devoid of any logic, consistency and truthfullness.
Nonsensical ramblings devoid of any logic, consistency and truthfullness.Data wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 9:55 amJehovah God provides salvation from the evil created as a result specifically to Adam's sin and its subsequent results. Adam was warned not to do something but he did it anyway resulting in death, Jehovah promises to take death away. Sin equals death. Upon our death we are acquitted from our sins. (Romans 6:8) because Jesus paid the ransom sacrifice. The "evil" is sin, which Adam, our forefather, handed down to us. We are a product of that just as racism as mentioned above.
You're right about the first part, absolutely no sign of love. And if you call the rest of it justice, then all I can say is nonsense. You know it's nonsense.
Nope. Bible God is just one big ego maniac who really doesn't give a toss about anyone. Whoever invented him gave him too many fallible human traits which renders him very ungodly.Data wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2023 12:23 amNonsense. You know it's nonsense.brunumb wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2023 12:08 am That said, Adam didn't reject God, in ignorance the original hapless couple were beguiled by one of God's creatures into being disobedient. Being sorely aggrieved, the omnipotent one took it out on everyone and everything not even part of that dastardly act. Feel the love.
Another red herring argument.... Seems this is one of your go-to's. Please remember both you and I have chosen to debate in a 'debating Christianity' apologetics arena. If you read question 2 of the OP, you will see where this is going. Further, the point I'm making above, is God has a very perverse version of the term "love". To remain Christian in any capacity, after reading the Bible, is to continue engaging in cognitive dissonance; (just for starters).Data wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 10:14 pmWhat difference does that make? What do you want? Do you want as many people as possible to come to some realization that God isn't going to destroy them out of love? Love for what? You want to stop crazy religious fanatics from murdering children? You think they're going to listen to you? You think the voices will stop when God is a memory? Influenza and pneumonia are the least cause of death in children. Being killed by religious fanatics isn't even on the list. Don't you think you're wasting your time? Do you think that more children are killed by governments than religions? Think about it.
My concern is to know why you still call yourself any form of a 'Christian' after having read the Bible? Why not instead become some form of a generic deist or an agnostic atheist?Data wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 10:14 pmIt doesn't matter to me. I loathe religion. They're all the same. They reach mass appeal and they become political tools of destruction. That's all man wants to do. Kill and destroy. Just stand by and watch. Your concern is fake. Show me someone with reform on their mind and I'll show you someone with a head full of evil plans.POI wrote: ↑Sat Oct 28, 2023 5:52 pm Further, God sometimes intervenes himself, but other times, merely only tells group A to KILL group B. Got it
How about instead just conclude this is yet another one of those religions created by man? You know, like you conclude with Scientology, Mormonism, Hinduism, etc etc etc etc
Up until now, you still have not answered.Data wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 10:19 pmNot going to get tired of that, huh? I don't care. It makes no difference. Lots of people think it wasn't a Christian God. Don't care. It doesn't matter if I'm the only one that believes it was God, and I'm on my deathbed. Not a bit of difference. Why would it?POI wrote: ↑Sat Oct 28, 2023 4:55 pm When exactly did God know these little children were LATER going to become obstacles? Because if God knew they were LATER going to become obstacles, why WAIT until they are little children, and then slaughter them? How is that, in any way, equivalent to the term 'love'? Since you might not answer (again), allow me to push this forward.... Seems odd God waited until they were little children, and then ordered their slaughter. These little children were not obstacles yet. They would only be later in life. Since God decided to intervene here, seems somewhat precarious that a loving God would choose to prevent these obstacles as they are still little children? Why not instead intervene in their conception, or maybe prevent them just before they become obstacles, (as adults). Seems God likely had a choice when to prevent this. Seems odd God choose a time where they were little children.
Further, why not instead assume that all people, who think/thought God is/was telling them to slaughter little children, were/are not really receiving messages from the 'Christian God' at all?
