Do we lose free will in Heaven?

[Metatron]

In innumerable threads at this forum, I've been told ad nauseum that God allows all sorts of horrible things to happen in the world because of the importance he attaches to man's free will. It is argued that man must be allowed to choose evil otherwise he is effectively God's puppet with no will of his own.

However, it is also argued that sin does not exist in Heaven. Why is this? Is it because man no longer possesses free will in Heaven? Is free will no longer important to God? Would that not make the saved into willless automatons by the same logic Christians use when discussing the problem of evil?

Do we lose free will in Heaven?

[achilles12604]

Here is another possibility:

We retain free will in heaven. But the experience of heaven is so great that we have no desire to rebel. We continue to use our free will to our advantage, and thereby maintain the peace and love of being with our creator. In short, we would have no reason to sin while in heaven.


Any huge logical issues with this one?

[Biker]

Here is another possibility:

We retain free will in heaven. But the experience of heaven is so great that we have no desire to rebel. We continue to use our free will to our advantage, and thereby maintain the peace and love of being with our creator. In short, we would have no reason to sin while in heaven.


Any huge logical issues with this one?

Talking about dogs, who is that handsome fellow in the picture?

Biker

[achilles12604]

Here is another possibility:

We retain free will in heaven. But the experience of heaven is so great that we have no desire to rebel. We continue to use our free will to our advantage, and thereby maintain the peace and love of being with our creator. In short, we would have no reason to sin while in heaven.


Any huge logical issues with this one?

Talking about dogs, who is that handsome fellow in the picture?

Biker

That is clover. She is my pure husky about 1 1/2 now.

[sledheavy]

always wondered what was up with the dog.

[McCulloch]

Here is another possibility:

We retain free will in heaven. But the experience of heaven is so great that we have no desire to rebel. We continue to use our free will to our advantage, and thereby maintain the peace and love of being with our creator. In short, we would have no reason to sin while in heaven.

Any huge logical issues with this one?

Why then do we have a reason to sin while here? I know, because God wants us to freely choose to worship him. I guess that God does not want anyone to freely choose to worship him in heaven. If we can have free will in heaven and not have a reason to sin, then why did God put us here with free will and a reason to sin. Wouldn't it have been better not to have given us a reason to sin? Wouldn't it have been better not to have provided a place for the deceiver to have influence?

[Metatron]

Here is another possibility:

We retain free will in heaven. But the experience of heaven is so great that we have no desire to rebel. We continue to use our free will to our advantage, and thereby maintain the peace and love of being with our creator. In short, we would have no reason to sin while in heaven.


Any huge logical issues with this one?

I grant you that sin in this scenario would probably be rare but, unless human nature is utterly changed, it seems unrealistic to think that no one would sin. After all, even the very best of these people sinned while on Earth. Indeed, many of them may have committed terrible crimes but were forgiven. Hard to believe that there would be no backsliding if free will still exists. Naturally, the range of sins possible would be greatly reduced. It's doubtful that murder, for example, would be possible in Heaven.

Still, I should point out that we already have an example of sin in Heaven, namely Satan and his fallen angels who allegedly fell through the sin of pride. If angels can sin, why not man?

[Biker]

Here is another possibility:

We retain free will in heaven. But the experience of heaven is so great that we have no desire to rebel. We continue to use our free will to our advantage, and thereby maintain the peace and love of being with our creator. In short, we would have no reason to sin while in heaven.


Any huge logical issues with this one?

Talking about dogs, who is that handsome fellow in the picture?

Biker

That is clover. She is my pure husky about 1 1/2 now.

She's a beaut. Is she spoiled?

Biker

[Greatest I Am]

Here is another possibility:

We retain free will in heaven. But the experience of heaven is so great that we have no desire to rebel. We continue to use our free will to our advantage, and thereby maintain the peace and love of being with our creator. In short, we would have no reason to sin while in heaven.

Any huge logical issues with this one?

Why then do we have a reason to sin while here? I know, because God wants us to freely choose to worship him. I guess that God does not want anyone to freely choose to worship him in heaven. If we can have free will in heaven and not have a reason to sin, then why did God put us here with free will and a reason to sin. Wouldn't it have been better not to have given us a reason to sin? Wouldn't it have been better not to have provided a place for the deceiver to have influence?

Possibly anyone who has had children can answer that one.

What is the most asked question from children.

--Why--

Man questions and searches for answers as part of his nature.
All of us I think at one time or another have asked a question, received an answer and still did something to prove it.

IE. Johny, do not touch the stove it is hot. How many still touched the burner. I don't remember but I am sure I probably touched.

Masturbation does not make hair grow on your hands. How do we all "men" know this.

Regards
DL

[Metatron]

Here is another possibility:

We retain free will in heaven. But the experience of heaven is so great that we have no desire to rebel. We continue to use our free will to our advantage, and thereby maintain the peace and love of being with our creator. In short, we would have no reason to sin while in heaven.

Any huge logical issues with this one?

Why then do we have a reason to sin while here? I know, because God wants us to freely choose to worship him. I guess that God does not want anyone to freely choose to worship him in heaven. If we can have free will in heaven and not have a reason to sin, then why did God put us here with free will and a reason to sin. Wouldn't it have been better not to have given us a reason to sin? Wouldn't it have been better not to have provided a place for the deceiver to have influence?

Possibly anyone who has had children can answer that one.

What is the most asked question from children.

--Why--

Man questions and searches for answers as part of his nature.
All of us I think at one time or another have asked a question, received an answer and still did something to prove it.

IE. Johny, do not touch the stove it is hot. How many still touched the burner. I don't remember but I am sure I probably touched.

Masturbation does not make hair grow on your hands. How do we all "men" know this.

Regards
DL

Perhaps you are trying to establish why we have free will on Earth but why would God not want us to have free will in Heaven?

[Greatest I Am]

Here is another possibility:

We retain free will in heaven. But the experience of heaven is so great that we have no desire to rebel. We continue to use our free will to our advantage, and thereby maintain the peace and love of being with our creator. In short, we would have no reason to sin while in heaven.

Any huge logical issues with this one?

Why then do we have a reason to sin while here? I know, because God wants us to freely choose to worship him. I guess that God does not want anyone to freely choose to worship him in heaven. If we can have free will in heaven and not have a reason to sin, then why did God put us here with free will and a reason to sin. Wouldn't it have been better not to have given us a reason to sin? Wouldn't it have been better not to have provided a place for the deceiver to have influence?

Possibly anyone who has had children can answer that one.

What is the most asked question from children.

--Why--

Man questions and searches for answers as part of his nature.
All of us I think at one time or another have asked a question, received an answer and still did something to prove it.

IE. Johny, do not touch the stove it is hot. How many still touched the burner. I don't remember but I am sure I probably touched.

Masturbation does not make hair grow on your hands. How do we all "men" know this.

Regards
DL

Perhaps you are trying to establish why we have free will on Earth but why would God not want us to have free will in Heaven?

He would.
Entering Heaven is to become part of the God head.
Hard to describe.
Free will is used to direct ourselves in a given direction.
Having access to all knowledge brings wisdom automatically. We naturally follow the right path if we are wise. We are part of the highest perfection at that point in time.
The story of fallen angels cannot happen. Heaven is the ultimate good, evil cannot mare it's surface.

Regards
DL