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Countless Claims to "Answered" Prayer(s)

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We have countless claims, from Christians, to God/Jesus answering prayers for healing to human affliction(s). And by 'answered' prayer, I mean God/Jesus states -- (yes, I will grant you this prayer request to remove the human affliction).

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1. Does God "answer" any of these prayer requests? If not, why?
2. If so, why does God/Jesus perpetually skip the following afflictions (amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, cerebral palsy, dementia, diabetes mellites 1, amputation, muscular dystrophy, hunington's disease, epilepsy, parkinson's disease, paget's disease, motor neuron disease, and so on)?
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Re: Countless Claims to "Answered" Prayer(s)

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1213 wrote: Fri Oct 06, 2023 4:54 am But, if I would pray that California slides into Pacific Ocean and it would happen, would you be happy, would you believe? I don't believe so.
Great choice because we know that there is a chance of that actually happening in the not too distant future. The thing about prayer is that it only ever appears to work when there is a chance that the outcome will occur naturally, and never works when the outcome is recognised to be impossible.
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brunumb wrote: Sat Oct 07, 2023 8:49 pm
1213 wrote: Fri Oct 06, 2023 4:54 am But, if I would pray that California slides into Pacific Ocean and it would happen, would you be happy, would you believe? I don't believe so.
Great choice because we know that there is a chance of that actually happening in the not too distant future. The thing about prayer is that it only ever appears to work when there is a chance that the outcome will occur naturally, and never works when the outcome is recognised to be impossible.
And if it would happen in a case that is "impossible", it would come possible and be natural. Believer can't win in this. That is why I believe Jesus said:

But he said, No, father Abraham, but if one should go from the dead to them, they will repent. And he said to him, If they will not hear Moses and the Prophets, they will not be persuaded even if one from the dead should rise.
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brunumb wrote: Sat Oct 07, 2023 8:39 pm
1213 wrote: Wed Oct 04, 2023 11:07 am
TRANSPONDER wrote: Tue Oct 03, 2023 12:07 pm ...clear demonstrations that prayer does not work....
By what I see, prayer works exactly as told in the Bible. If you don't see the answers you want to see, it does not necessary mean prayer doesn't work.
Please explain how we can definitively tell that any outcome is the result of prayer actually working.
I think one can always say, "it was because of some other reason".
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Tcg wrote: Fri Oct 06, 2023 4:23 pm
1213 wrote: Fri Oct 06, 2023 4:54 am
I think it could be good to notice, Bible doesn't promise that God will do everything anyone asks.
The Bible does exactly that:

Mark 11:24 Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.
Why do you think that is for everyone? If it would be for everyone, God's enemies could pray for example God to kill himself.
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Tcg wrote: Fri Oct 06, 2023 4:23 pm
1213 wrote: Fri Oct 06, 2023 4:54 am
I think it could be good to notice, Bible doesn't promise that God will do everything anyone asks.
The Bible does exactly that:

Mark 11:24 Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.

Of course, believers know this isn't true, so they twist this clear promise into something it doesn't say. Excuse after excuse given to avoid admitting the truth.

But, if I would pray that California slides into Pacific Ocean and it would happen, would you be happy, would you believe? I don't believe so.
Give it a shot. Let's see if God will fulfill the promise from Mark 11:24.
If I would pray all diseases are healed, would you believe if it would happen? I don't think so.
Give it a shot. Let's see if God will fulfill the promise from Mark 11:24.
Would you become righteous then? I don't think so.
What an odd statement which has no relevance to this thread or anything else discussed here.


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Yes. That's what we get. Excuses why they shouldn't try even simple miracles.our pal doesn't even seem to have responses to the water into wine challenge. Just as with the California into the sea challenge. Prayers only work when you pray for 100 things a day and one happens, you pray for your car to be fixed and God answers your prayer, but doesn't pay the mechanic's bill, claims of prayers after the event, and the prophecy prayer which doesn't come off and then there are the excuses. But Believers prefer not to try that as they just sound like excuses why they were not able to validate their claims.

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[Replying to 1213 in post #32]
You ignored my last two responses, via posts 26 and 27. Thank you kindly.
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1213 wrote: Sun Oct 08, 2023 4:03 am
brunumb wrote: Sat Oct 07, 2023 8:39 pm
1213 wrote: Wed Oct 04, 2023 11:07 am
TRANSPONDER wrote: Tue Oct 03, 2023 12:07 pm ...clear demonstrations that prayer does not work....
By what I see, prayer works exactly as told in the Bible. If you don't see the answers you want to see, it does not necessary mean prayer doesn't work.
Please explain how we can definitively tell that any outcome is the result of prayer actually working.
I think one can always say, "it was because of some other reason".
In case you didn't hear me properly the first time:

Please explain how we can definitively tell that any outcome is the result of prayer actually working.
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brunumb wrote: Mon Oct 09, 2023 3:10 am ...
Please explain how we can definitively tell that any outcome is the result of prayer actually working.
I don't think anything can be definitely told, because person can always think some other explanation is better.
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POI wrote: Sun Oct 08, 2023 12:56 pm [Replying to 1213 in post #32]
You ignored my last two responses, via posts 26 and 27. Thank you kindly.
Sorry, I don't think you answered my questions. Because of that, I didn't have any reason to continue in those cases.
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1213 wrote: Mon Oct 09, 2023 4:43 am
POI wrote: Sun Oct 08, 2023 12:56 pm [Replying to 1213 in post #32]
You ignored my last two responses, via posts 26 and 27. Thank you kindly.
Sorry, I don't think you answered my questions. Because of that, I didn't have any reason to continue in those cases.
Oh, but I did address your question. You asked:

How do you know i don't have any of those because of prayer?

And I answered:

None of the above are deemed curable, prayer or no prayer.

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In essence, prayer or no prayer, the listed conditions, (from the OP), will not be cured. Thus, it's a fair assessment to conclude the Christian God does not exist. Why? Because God is said to answer prayers in healing, but conveniently skips all the listed conditions in the OP. Do you agree? If not, why not?
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