Michael the Archangel, a characterization of Jesus in heaven?

[Eloi]

We, Jehovah's Witnesses, consider that Jesus is also the Archangel Michael. It is not just our belief, as many biblical scholars of other religious denominations have considered the matter in the same way.

Can this idea be demonstrated with the Bible? If that is not the case, the idea will not even be part of the Jehovah's Witness body of doctrines. In no way would we consider as belief something that did not have sufficient biblical support.

I would like to talk about that matter on this topic, as there is a lot of information that I would like to share about it. The subject of debate is: can it be demonstrated with the Bible that Jesus is the Archangel Michael? My answer is that you can do that, and in passing the topic I will try to prove it.

[Eloi]

[Eloi]

(...) Both Michael and Christ are written about in Revelation. Both Michael and Christ are written about in Jude. These are two individual beings. (...)

The premise does not imply the conclusion.

In John 21:15-19, a passage of only five verses, the apostle Peter is called by three different names: Simon, Peter, and Simon Peter.

SO: your argument is invalid.

Jesus can be called like that, like "the Lamb", like the Christ, like Michael, like "the Son of God" or "the Son of man", like "the Logos of God", etc, and still be the very and same person.

[tam]

[Eloi]

(...)

Read the whole thread.

[tam]

Peace again to you,

(...) Both Michael and Christ are written about in Revelation. Both Michael and Christ are written about in Jude. These are two individual beings. (...)

The premise does not imply the conclusion.

In John 21:15-19, a passage of only five verses, the apostle Peter is called by three different names: Simon, Peter, and Simon Peter.

SO: your argument is invalid.

Jesus can be called like that, like "the Lamb", like the Christ, like Michael, like "the Son of God" or "the Son of man", like "the Logos of God", etc, and still be the very and same person.

My argument was not that someone cannot be called something else. You are jumping in the middle of a conversation but do not know the context. My argument went directly to the point that onewithhim was trying to make: that when Christ returned to heaven, He resumed His name "Michael" because that is who He is, but that is not correct. Both Michael and "Jesus" are spoken about in Revelation. Christ in fact refers to Himself by His name, Jaheshua (though written as "Jesus"). My argument also addressed her statement that Christ and Michael are never spoken of together in the gospels, and she seems to believe that is evidence that Christ is Michael, but Jude DOES in fact reference both persons in his very short letter. That works against the idea that Jude thought they were the same person.



Peace again to you.

[tam]

Peace,

(...)

Read the whole thread.

I did and responded. To this thread and to your other thread, and I provided links to yet another conversation on this very matter.


Peace again.

[Eloi]

Peace,

(...)

Read the whole thread.

I did and responded. To this thread and to your other thread, and I provided links to yet another conversation on this very matter.


Peace again.

If you are not interested in what I have said in the whole thread I opened, I am not interested in what you have to say.
Have a good one.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to tam in post #90]

You did not prove anything I said to be in error. We will have to agree to disagree, OK? You're not going to change your mind and neither am I.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to Eloi in post #92]

Yes, and another name for Peter was "Cephas." It is not so far-fetched to know that Jesus can be known by more than one name.

I think the uproar over this issue is because people don't want to believe that Jesus is an archangel. Even though the Scriptures say that he was created.

"He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation." (Colossians 1:15)

"...These are the things that the Amen says, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation by God." (Revelation 3:14)

[Eloi]