Is God evil?

[Compassionist]

There are many verses in the Bible about God's predestination. https://www.openbible.info/topics/predestination Why would a good God predestine anyone to do evil? Surely, a good God would predestine all to do good? Does the existence of evil prove that God is evil? Surely, a good God would have made all living things to be autotrophs instead of making some autotrophs, some herbivores, some carnivores, some omnivores, and some parasites? Here are some examples of evil events which caused or are causing suffering, deaths, and injustices:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_extinction_events
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_epidemics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_n ... death_toll
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_famines
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_g ... death_toll
https://thevegancalculator.com/animal-slaughter

[Conversator]

[Replying to 1213 in post #10h]

" All commandments, statutes, and judgements " ( Deuteronomy 5:31), were said to be given to Moses by God. Genesis to Deuteronomy, the entire Pentateuch, was traditionally believed to be transmitted to Moses by God on mount Sinai . I'm unaware of any sect who believed only the ten commandments were given by God and the rest were given by angels. Sunday school teachers may give the ten commandments precedence over the others, but that is another matter entirely (and an interesting one). Paul taught the entire Law was given to Moses by angelic mediation. The mode by which it was given created a paradox: A Law given by angels, necessitated an angelic redeemer from it, whereby humanity is no longer governed, condemned, and accused by angelic lawgivers ( principalities ). The relegation of the Law to angels, lowered the efficacy of the Law, but not its condemnation. This rids God of the ineffectiveness of the Law, and blames angels for the entire shebang, yet praises God for sending an angelic redeemer from it.

[Conversator]

Wrong category. Sorry

[Thomas123]

Hi Conversator,
Welcome to the Forum(what's left of it), and good luck with your studies.
Your submission here is a bit of a 'hop skip and a jump' of a thing. This causes that so therefore this is that.
I will dissect it later. Start with the Paul quotes that support your hypothesis.
Thanks!

[Conversator]

Hi Conversator,
Welcome to the Forum(what's left of it), and good luck with your studies.
Your submission here is a bit of a 'hop skip and a jump' of a thing. This causes that so therefore this is that.
I will dissect it later. Start with the Paul quotes that support your hypothesis.
Thanks!

My hypothesis can be found in my post: Paul's Angelic Conundrum. I don't know why it posted my reply to someone there, in the topic here: Is God Evil?

[Conversator]

I am a janitor in a nursing home. I see the ravages of dementia, the agony of dwindling health, hygienic dependency, every mockery of misery imagined by afflictions of every sort, but I've never seen a malevolent God there. I have the happy privilege of witnessing empathy of the highest order, from both caretakers and 'residents', and occasionally even from myself! Sometimes, dare I say, I find Numinous there as well.

[Conversator]

Failed to mention Thomas's dear Molly in my previous comment

[Conversator]

" I am the One who creates light and darkness, who causes well-being and calamity ( Hebrew, ra: bad, evil) I the Lord do all these things" (Isaiah 45:7). Sovereignty seems to encapsulate the whole shebang. I fail to see how a materialist's despair of a misery-filled world can be directed at religion at all. Lest, it simply seeks to disparage any ideology that has hope in sovereignty! Could sovereignty have reasons for woe? I dare not presume. Certainly any reason materialism offered for 'evil' could be disparaged as well!

[William]

I am a janitor in a nursing home. I see the ravages of dementia, the agony of dwindling health, hygienic dependency, every mockery of misery imagined by afflictions of every sort, but I've never seen a malevolent God there. I have the happy privilege of witnessing empathy of the highest order, from both caretakers and 'residents', and occasionally even from myself! Sometimes, dare I say, I find Numinous there as well.

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[Compassionist]

My mother is predicted to die in the next few days. Her name is Molly, she is 94 and she has been in a Nursing Home for the last 5 years. During her life she experienced extreme poverty, affluence, etc. She had 6 children and four of the births were very difficult, including my own. She was placed into an orphanage when she was 3 and adopted at 5.

There is no evil God within this story. I feel heart wrenching anguish but this is tempered with overwhelming gratitude and pride. Molly is loved by her extended family and friends and death is just another challenge for her brave spirit.

I am so sorry about your anguish. I suffer constantly from anguish about all suffering, injustice, and deaths so I can certainly relate. I am not convinced that Gods and spirits exist. What about the following:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_extinction_events
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_epidemics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_n ... death_toll
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_famines
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_g ... death_toll
https://thevegancalculator.com/animal-slaughter

Do you see no evil there either? I see lots and lots of evil and God's total failure to prevent them.

[William]

" I am the One who creates light and darkness, who causes well-being and calamity ( Hebrew, ra: bad, evil) I the Lord do all these things" (Isaiah 45:7). Sovereignty seems to encapsulate the whole shebang. I fail to see how a materialist's despair of a misery-filled world can be directed at religion at all. Lest, it simply seeks to disparage any ideology that has hope in sovereignty! Could sovereignty have reasons for woe? I dare not presume. Certainly any reason materialism offered for 'evil' could be disparaged as well!

It appears that the "problem of evil" is an argument invented by folk who cannot entertain the idea that we exist within a creation - implying a creator/creators - and thus implying a creator/creators must have to be evil to have created this reality experience.
Said another way, there would not be "the problem of evil" if we do not exist within a creation/if there is no creator/creators.


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