Does sex outside of marraige have negative side effects?

[achilles12604]

The question for debate is in the title. Jagalla wrote that one of the benefits of atheism is that they can enjoy sex outside of marriage without guilt.

I question the position that sex outside of marriage is actually beneficial. I have seen several downfalls.

These include but are not limited to:

1) Passing of STD's with multiple partners
2) Lack of emotional ties with specific partners leading to strained relationships and increased divorce
3) Lack of respect for women (and in some cases men). In essence they become "things" to play with rather than a person to respect and admire.
4) Unwanted pregnancies leading to further emotional stress with either forced marriage, split custody or abortion.

I could probably think of more but I'll let others chime in here.

[ST88]

Jealousy.
Pregnancy.
Loss of pride.
Raising someone else's offspring.
Std's
Abortion.
All of these lead to divorce.

I'm sure they do, but the question was about two unmarried consenting adults.

And why is raising someone else's offspring a negative? Surely you're not against adoption.

[Greatest I Am]

Jealousy.
Pregnancy.
Loss of pride.
Raising someone else's offspring.
Std's
Abortion.
All of these lead to divorce.

I'm sure they do, but the question was about two unmarried consenting adults.

And why is raising someone else's offspring a negative? Surely you're not against adoption.

Not at all.

I was referring to unknowingly raising someone else's offspring. It is the deception that is wrong.

In the world of sex married or not, does it mater? Abortion is still a life lost.

Regards
DL

[ST88]

In the world of sex married or not, does it mater?

I am interested in the "Does it matter" comment. Are you saying that sex between two unmarried people has the same negative side effects as a married person having an affair? I would think that having an affair is worse on the naughty sex scale.

Does it change your mind if the two unmarried people are in a committed life-long relationship?

[Greatest I Am]

In the world of sex married or not, does it mater?

I am interested in the "Does it matter" comment. Are you saying that sex between two unmarried people has the same negative side effects as a married person having an affair? I would think that having an affair is worse on the naughty sex scale.

Does it change your mind if the two unmarried people are in a committed life-long relationship?

I speak of anyone in any "supposedly" loving relationship.
Married, common law, dating, all people in these are subject to pain and hart ache if cheated on.

Those sexual encounters that do not include a loving relationship, can be viewed as sexual organs accidentally bumping together as the individuals pass each other in their life journey. Children excluded.

The marriage certificate is for political purposes only and has nothing to do with morals and ethics.
Do onto others applies here.

Hope this clears the water.

Regards
DL

[ST88]

I speak of anyone in any "supposedly" loving relationship.
Married, common law, dating, all people in these are subject to pain and hart ache if cheated on.

Sorry to drag this out, but I am genuinely interested.

So by eliminating sex outside of a relationship, we can eliminate... jealousy? Heart-ache? Low Self-esteem? Are any of these really negatives? Should any of these really be eliminated? Aren't they just a part of how humanity operates?

What is it about having a relationship that causes people to believe that their partner should always be physically faithful? Love, sure. STDs is just a fairness issue. But sex is separate from love. How did sex and love get mingled?

Those sexual encounters that do not include a loving relationship, can be viewed as sexual organs accidentally bumping together as the individuals pass each other in their life journey.

The marriage certificate is for political purposes only and has nothing to do with morals and ethics.
Do onto others applies here.

I could not agree more with this (and I also could not help making the crass joke indicated by bolding-mine -- or discovering, I don't know your sense of humor).

I think social politics is at the root of this. We may all be operating under the illusion that we should pair off for life because that is what makes society the most stable.

[Greatest I Am]

I speak of anyone in any "supposedly" loving relationship.
Married, common law, dating, all people in these are subject to pain and hart ache if cheated on.

Sorry to drag this out, but I am genuinely interested.

So by eliminating sex outside of a relationship, we can eliminate... jealousy?

GIA wrote
Eliminating sex form my response of sexual maters surely will change my response. A kiss can still create jealousy as well as a spoken word.

Heart-ache? Low Self-esteem? Are any of these really negatives?

GIA wrote
To me they are not desirable.

Should any of these really be eliminated? Aren't they just a part of how humanity operates?

GIA wrote
They are, but I know of no way to eliminate them without changing human nature.

What is it about having a relationship that causes people to believe that their partner should always be physically faithful? Love, sure. STDs is just a fairness issue. But sex is separate from love. How did sex and love get mingled?

This last I do not know how to respond to. Slightly fragmented.

I will say to your last sentence that love wants to be and give complete devotion. It is it's nature. Sex is a natural extension of that desire.

quote="Greatest I Am"]Those sexual encounters that do not include a loving relationship, can be viewed as sexual organs accidentally bumping together as the individuals pass each other in their life journey.

The marriage certificate is for political purposes only and has nothing to do with morals and ethics.
Do onto others applies here.

I could not agree more with this (and I also could not help making the crass joke indicated by bolding-mine -- or discovering, I don't know your sense of humor).

I think social politics is at the root of this. We may all be operating under the illusion that we should pair off for life because that is what makes society the most stable.[/quote]


GIA wrote
This may not be an illusion, it may, for man, be a survival characteristic.

Regards
DL