How many religions came from America?

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How many religions came from America?

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Is it evidence for or against religions if they came from America?

For instance Mormonism and Jehovah's Witnesses. Are there more? Scientology. Any more?

I would argue it is evidence against the religion because America has quite literally nothing the to do with the Bible. What other evidence flows from a religion coming from America?
Proverbs 18:17 The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.

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kjw47 wrote: Mon Nov 21, 2022 2:51 pm He actually was a great teacher. Some things werent meant to be understood until these last days. It kept satan and his angels in spiritual darkness so he couldnt screw it all up like he tried through the religion that came out of Rome.
That doesn't make sense, though.

Like:-
'I've got important things to tell you all but I'll tell about them in ways you can't understand because I don't want the devil to know about them' ????

Might just as well keep quiet....no?

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kjw47 wrote: Mon Nov 21, 2022 2:52 pm No the written laws would not be used. God appointed Jesus as judge.
There are more written laws in the New Testament than in the old. 613 in the Old and over 1000 in the New.

I cannot believe that JWs do not have knowledge of these and refer to them.

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oldbadger wrote: Tue Nov 22, 2022 1:23 am
kjw47 wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:48 pm Jesus brought a new covenant=Love, not written Law. In that Love Jesus spoke about, those hearts wouldnt consider stealing from their brothers, cheating on their mates, coveting their brothers things, etc,etc all the way down the line.
No Israel rejected Jesus and said his power came from demons-God cut them off of being his chosen-Matt 23:38
No...... I don't think so, kjw47. Why would you keep Leviticus and Deuteronomy in your bible if it is of no use to you?
I'm sure that JWs quote those laws and so don't understand how a complete redaction of them can be true.

Jesus insisted that he would not rest until every one of the old laws was being upheld, if you need me to show this then of course I will. I think he was furious with the hypocritical High class Temple Priesthood who had discarded so many of them, especially those poor laws which ensured provision for everybody.

Do you stone one to death?

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oldbadger wrote: Tue Nov 22, 2022 1:26 am
kjw47 wrote: Mon Nov 21, 2022 2:51 pm He actually was a great teacher. Some things werent meant to be understood until these last days. It kept satan and his angels in spiritual darkness so he couldnt screw it all up like he tried through the religion that came out of Rome.
That doesn't make sense, though.

Like:-
'I've got important things to tell you all but I'll tell about them in ways you can't understand because I don't want the devil to know about them' ????

Might just as well keep quiet....no?

Daniel 4 assures some things were hidden until these last days.

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oldbadger wrote: Tue Nov 22, 2022 1:31 am
kjw47 wrote: Mon Nov 21, 2022 2:52 pm No the written laws would not be used. God appointed Jesus as judge.
There are more written laws in the New Testament than in the old. 613 in the Old and over 1000 in the New.

I cannot believe that JWs do not have knowledge of these and refer to them.

Nt says-Law will written on the heart. Yes it is written in the bible as well, but every true follower learns them and puts them in their heart. Without fail.

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kjw47 wrote: Tue Nov 22, 2022 2:24 pm Do you stone one to death?
I live in England and live under English law. Your Saint Paul told you to abide by the laws of the land that you live in. Have you read his letters?

Those laws were written for the production of a strong, fast growing, healthy, successful people.....every one of them.

There was not one that did not support that. And they were successful all the time that they were kept. ......Back then!

So many had been discarded by Jesus's time, and he wanted them returned, but he showed quite clearly that the laws of the occupying Romans had to be kept, such as 'nobody can execute anybody without the authority of the Prefect of Provincial 'king'. Ergo, he stopped a stoning.

Have you not read those laws? They were amazing.......... back then.

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kjw47 wrote: Tue Nov 22, 2022 2:24 pm Daniel 4 assures some things were hidden until these last days.
So hide them, but let's not pretend that Jesus was telling crowds a load of waffle which meant little to them for that reason.

He may have tried to veil some of his words for fear that detectives in the crowd were waiting to report what he said, but it was nothing to do with telling the crowd intricate waffle to uphold stuff that Daniel had said.

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kjw47 wrote: Tue Nov 22, 2022 2:26 pm
Nt says-Law will written on the heart. Yes it is written in the bible as well, but every true follower learns them and puts them in their heart. Without fail.
So you do have written laws in your bible. More than were held in the Laws of Moses.

But a Watchtower majority in a country would soon lead to a Theocracy, I think, and Old Testament Laws would be selected.......... with sentences for offenders.

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oldbadger wrote: Wed Nov 23, 2022 3:05 am
kjw47 wrote: Tue Nov 22, 2022 2:24 pm Do you stone one to death?
I live in England and live under English law. Your Saint Paul told you to abide by the laws of the land that you live in. Have you read his letters?

Those laws were written for the production of a strong, fast growing, healthy, successful people.....every one of them.

There was not one that did not support that. And they were successful all the time that they were kept. ......Back then!

So many had been discarded by Jesus's time, and he wanted them returned, but he showed quite clearly that the laws of the occupying Romans had to be kept, such as 'nobody can execute anybody without the authority of the Prefect of Provincial 'king'. Ergo, he stopped a stoning.

Have you not read those laws? They were amazing.......... back then.

Some of the apostles were stoned to death after Jesus died, By the Israelites.

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oldbadger wrote: Wed Nov 23, 2022 3:10 am
kjw47 wrote: Tue Nov 22, 2022 2:26 pm
Nt says-Law will written on the heart. Yes it is written in the bible as well, but every true follower learns them and puts them in their heart. Without fail.
So you do have written laws in your bible. More than were held in the Laws of Moses.

But a Watchtower majority in a country would soon lead to a Theocracy, I think, and Old Testament Laws would be selected.......... with sentences for offenders.
The Israelite nation was lead by Theocracy, when they stood strong. That was Gods plan. Without God leading, satan rules.

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