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Dear Christians of all flavor(s),

I trust it is no surprise there exists a populous here, which lay claim to 'atheism', 'deism', or maybe other... In a nutshell, for me, this ultimately means I do not believe any such claimed Christian God exists - trying though as I might.... Which-is-to-mean, I was raised in a Christian house hold. However, after much study, I cannot get myself to belief such a claimed agent actually exists. Chalk it up, ultimately, to the topic of 'divine hiddenness' I guess...?

It is also evident there exists devout 'Christians' in this arena, of all flavors, who may feel they are 'fighting the good fight'; by defending their belief(s)/faith/rationale in the assertion of the existence to the "Christian God".

That being said, I am laying down the gauntlet, so-to-speak... Some here, as well as outside of here, are as sure as anything, that not only does God exist, but the Christian God! Well, I politely disagree. Meaning, I don't believe the "Christian based" assertion/claim.

I can't imagine this request will be anything new. Nor, can I imagine that I will encounter any new sort of enlightenment. But, being this is a rather large and important topic; I will continue to search, optimistically, that there exists some sort of 'concrete evidence(s)' to demonstrate that not only a God exists ---> but also the Christian God.

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Please demonstrate the mere existence of the Christian God?
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JoeyKnothead wrote: Fri Nov 04, 2022 8:26 pm
kjw47 wrote: Fri Nov 04, 2022 6:50 pm
JoeyKnothead wrote: Fri Nov 04, 2022 3:55 pm
kjw47 wrote: Tue Oct 11, 2022 9:30 pm ...Why do you wish to risk standing in opposition to God? Time is running out.
I don't stand in opposition to a god that can't be shown to exist.

I stand in opposition to folks who seek to oppress others in the name of a god they can't show exists.
Ask God to show you.
Ask the Tooth Fairy to show you.

A god hasn't shown me anything, while so many theists show us all their bigotry.


God doesnt answer any who practice sin. What bigotry, the bigotry that you make up in your mind because words dont fit your agenda?

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kjw47 wrote: Fri Nov 04, 2022 9:16 pm God doesnt answer any who practice sin.
Well, since we are all considered or deemed 'sinners', it would then make sense as to why he's not really answering anyone.
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kjw47 wrote: Fri Nov 04, 2022 9:16 pm God doesnt answer any who practice sin.
I challenge you to show a god answers anyone.

Notice the implication here - that I am, or others are, 'sinners', while our accuser does nothing to show they know the mind of a god they can't show exists.

You might as well say something bad about our mothers for all your libel.
What bigotry, the bigotry that you make up in your mind because words dont fit your agenda?
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JoeyKnothead wrote: Fri Nov 04, 2022 10:31 pm
kjw47 wrote: Fri Nov 04, 2022 9:16 pm God doesnt answer any who practice sin.
I challenge you to show a god answers anyone.

Notice the implication here - that I am, or others are, 'sinners', while our accuser does nothing to show they know the mind of a god they can't show exists.

You might as well say something bad about our mothers for all your libel.
What bigotry, the bigotry that you make up in your mind because words dont fit your agenda?
See above.
Or I challenge to show that if God answers the deserving, He answers the undeserving (according to religious thought) equally as generously, or not.

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POI wrote: Fri Nov 04, 2022 9:24 pm
kjw47 wrote: Fri Nov 04, 2022 9:16 pm God doesnt answer any who practice sin.
Well, since we are all considered or deemed 'sinners', it would then make sense as to why he's not really answering anyone.
All sin, some practice sin.

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JoeyKnothead wrote: Fri Nov 04, 2022 10:31 pm
kjw47 wrote: Fri Nov 04, 2022 9:16 pm God doesnt answer any who practice sin.
I challenge you to show a god answers anyone.

Notice the implication here - that I am, or others are, 'sinners', while our accuser does nothing to show they know the mind of a god they can't show exists.

You might as well say something bad about our mothers for all your libel.
What bigotry, the bigotry that you make up in your mind because words dont fit your agenda?
See above.
3 righteous men, Shadrach, Meshach and Abendego, thrown into a firey furnace because they wouldnt bow to the babylonian God-- Not touched by the fire. God sent angels to save them-- These obviously prayed for help.

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kjw47 wrote: Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:07 pm
POI wrote: Fri Nov 04, 2022 9:24 pm
kjw47 wrote: Fri Nov 04, 2022 9:16 pm God doesnt answer any who practice sin.
Well, since we are all considered or deemed 'sinners', it would then make sense as to why he's not really answering anyone.
All sin, some practice sin.
Hmm... Explain to me what you mean by 'practice'? Otherwise:

IF all 'sin', then all practice 'sin'.
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kjw47 wrote: Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:10 pm
JoeyKnothead wrote: Fri Nov 04, 2022 10:31 pm
kjw47 wrote: Fri Nov 04, 2022 9:16 pm God doesnt answer any who practice sin.
I challenge you to show a god answers anyone.

Notice the implication here - that I am, or others are, 'sinners', while our accuser does nothing to show they know the mind of a god they can't show exists.

You might as well say something bad about our mothers for all your libel.
What bigotry, the bigotry that you make up in your mind because words dont fit your agenda?
See above.
3 righteous men, Shadrach, Meshach and Abendego, thrown into a firey furnace because they wouldnt bow to the babylonian God-- Not touched by the fire. God sent angels to save them-- These obviously prayed for help.
JoeyKnothead challenged you to demonstrate that God answers anyone, not merely cite an anecdotal and unfalsifiable ancient story.
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POI wrote: Sat Nov 05, 2022 4:17 pm
kjw47 wrote: Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:07 pm
POI wrote: Fri Nov 04, 2022 9:24 pm
kjw47 wrote: Fri Nov 04, 2022 9:16 pm God doesnt answer any who practice sin.
Well, since we are all considered or deemed 'sinners', it would then make sense as to why he's not really answering anyone.
All sin, some practice sin.
Hmm... Explain to me what you mean by 'practice'? Otherwise:

IF all 'sin', then all practice 'sin'.

They know its a sin yet continue to do it regularly.= practice a sin. Some slip and do minor sins, some even slip and do major sins. one needs to turn around and repent if they do.

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